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DevonRex

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14. A, B and C.

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 08:46 PM

Jun 2013

First, Zimmerman thought he had to have a gun. Then he thought he was qualified to play cop. Then he profiled an African American male as looking "suspicious" when the kid was just walking home from buying candy, talking to his girlfriend. Then he followed him when he was told not to. Then he shot an unarmed teenager.

People may say something else happened in between my last 2 sentences. But that teenager did nothing leading up to that point to cause any of this. He didn't arm himself. He didn't play cop. He didn't profile and follow some "suspicious" stranger for doing nothing but walking. He didn't disobey police dispatch who told him not to follow.

All he did was live his life, buy candy, walk back towards home, get scared by a stranger following him (as we know because he told his girlfriend that) and then... He's dead.

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Strong opinions about Trayvon Martin's murder [View all] Just Saying Jun 2013 OP

There may be a lot of reasons why people are on one side of this issue but as you posted.. BlueJazz Jun 2013 #1

if Trayvon was not black what would most people be saying ? JI7 Jun 2013 #2

People who think this is about racism are applying that judgment to this case, not applying the law dkf Jun 2013 #3

and how likely is it that the person who feels his life is at risk is the one with the gun JI7 Jun 2013 #6

If they can prove Zimmerman shot at a fleeing Martin then it's over. dkf Jun 2013 #8

The witnesses have different accounts Just Saying Jun 2013 #10

Forensic evidence will give most people info to determine who was who. dkf Jun 2013 #11

Real life isn't a TV show Just Saying Jun 2013 #16

I know he racially profiled Martin as a criminal Blue_Tires Jun 2013 #13

What I can't get my head around is how people can think anything else? Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2013 #24

This is an interesting aspect to the case that hasn't been discussed much: wercal Jun 2013 #54

His father had rented a home there. Just Saying Jun 2013 #73

I don't recall saying he was trespassing wercal Jun 2013 #75

You implied it. Just Saying Jun 2013 #76

once again wercal Jun 2013 #82

In my opinion your own prejudices have colored your perceptions. Just Saying Jun 2013 #83

Oh, so I was wrong then? wercal Jun 2013 #88

Who cares? Just Saying Jun 2013 #89

Oh Really? wercal Jun 2013 #90

Stop implying a black kid that got killed was trespassing Just Saying Jun 2013 #91

You make stuff up...I correct you wercal Jun 2013 #92

It's the first time you've posted any actual facts. Just Saying Jun 2013 #93

Lets make sure we've got the score right wercal Jun 2013 #94

I read up to ignorant and I'm done with you. Just Saying Jun 2013 #95

I think you are ignorant wercal Jun 2013 #96

More facts for the "facts guy" Just Saying Jun 2013 #77

It's simple for me: Trayvon was a young black man and people assume the worst about young, black Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #36

"Defendant's perception" is wrong dpibel Jun 2013 #80

Sorry I meant it needs to be seen from his vantage at that point in time dkf Jun 2013 #81

The first three are all correct. onehandle Jun 2013 #4

why don't the gun nuts say "Trayvon should have had a gun" JI7 Jun 2013 #5

Because they're racist fucks. And the thought of a black man... TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #78

Zimmerman went hunting and got what he was after NightWatcher Jun 2013 #7

I think you meant 'way off'. This case is mainly about the ubiquitous and so far permanent racism Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #9

Yes I did, thanks! N/t Just Saying Jun 2013 #23

The kid was murdered PD Turk Jun 2013 #12

I'm firmly for gun control, but I'm beginning to think Blacks JimDandy Jun 2013 #60

If the court decides PD Turk Jun 2013 #61

A, B and C. DevonRex Jun 2013 #14

This case is not about racism or gun control; cheyanne Jun 2013 #15

I disagree. Just Saying Jun 2013 #17

It has always been a racial matter for me Blue_Tires Jun 2013 #18

I strongly hope that the complete truth becomes known, Skip Intro Jun 2013 #19

I think Zimmerman tried to detain Trayvon and got his ass kicked so he shot him. You cannot.... Logical Jun 2013 #20

Agreed Just Saying Jun 2013 #21

When you say detain... Pelican Jun 2013 #29

I think he told trayvon to stop and wait for the police to arrive.... Logical Jun 2013 #30

Do you think that Zimmerman laid hands on Martin at that point? Pelican Jun 2013 #31

I think by that point, Martin feared for his life because of the police wannabe with a gun bullying Hoyt Jun 2013 #62

So... yes? no? Pelican Jun 2013 #65

Doesn't matter. Some Ahole stalks an unarmed kid simply because he's a Hoyt Jun 2013 #67

It might not matter to you.. Pelican Jun 2013 #69

Zimmerman did not act as a reasonable adult csziggy Jun 2013 #22

Both. It's a combination of a) the gun culture and b) 21st century racism (profiling) Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #25

Sorry, but bullshit. This is a very simple, straightforward case of a racist piece of shit Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #28

Oh, don't get me wrong, racism is very much a part of the case. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #42

Interactive timeline of events Just Saying Jun 2013 #26

Thank you. Listening to the phone calls, oh god. Zimmy was SO prejudging Trayvon. uppityperson Jun 2013 #34

I'm not sure why this case is broken down along party lines, ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #27

As an old publisher I can assure you, sir. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #44

If you claim self-defense LostOne4Ever Jun 2013 #32

Normally, yes. But FL works a bit differently. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #47

racism and gun culture are intertwined. BainsBane Jun 2013 #33

Ding! Ding! Ding!! We have a winner here! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #37

Stand Your Ground has not been used in this case wercal Jun 2013 #56

SYG or not, the underlying motivation for Zimmerman's actions was race. He assumed that the black Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #59

Here is the statement you called a 'winner': wercal Jun 2013 #64

We've already settled that and I stand corrected; however, please do not naively dismiss Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #68

I already responded to you. Why do you keep rehashing this argument? I agreed that it's Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #70

??? I haven't rehashed anything wercal Jun 2013 #71

I selected the third choice, but I strongly believe that racism is the underlying story here. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #35

yup. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #55

Unarmed kid who was murdered, HappyMe Jun 2013 #38

It's emotional TV propaganda intended to exploit emotions Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #39

Hardly. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #43

I passed because I don't have a strong opinion about the case - too much still not known. badtoworse Jun 2013 #40

Other. The case has been exploited by the media, who have created multiple conflicting narratives Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #41

Exploited, why? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #46

Exploited for profit. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #48

No. This case. How in this case has the media exploited the facts, and for what purpose? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #49

No. I feel you are fishing for an argument, Mr. Carcetti. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #50

Well you throw out a vague assertion that the media has exploited this case. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #51

If it bleeds, it leads Just Saying Jun 2013 #63

It's 100% racism. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #45

You would think it would be Hispanic "gun humpers"... egduj Jun 2013 #66

It was a cold blooded, cowardly, asssassination and Zim is the Poster person for the NRA graham4anything Jun 2013 #52

I think this is a gun issue... Sancho Jun 2013 #53

Most of the above. Bucky Jun 2013 #57

My major concern was met the day Zimmerman was indicted. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #58

Zimmerman should never have been arrested. Vattel Jun 2013 #72

The dead, unarmed child he shot is pretty serious. n/t Just Saying Jun 2013 #74

I agree. It is very serious and very tragic. Vattel Jun 2013 #85

For many, the day a bigot with a gun can't shoot an unarmed Black teenager, Hoyt Jun 2013 #79

Because the evidence supports Zimmerman's claim of self-defense. Vattel Jun 2013 #84

Yep, vigilante Zimmerman didn't care about shooting an innocent, unarmed teen. Hoyt Jun 2013 #86

It doesn't make people lynch mobs because they see the evidence very differently Just Saying Jun 2013 #87