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In reply to the discussion: If you're OK with revelations of NSA snooping, you're part of the problem [View all]DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)90. Snort
Thanks for the much-needed levity.
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If you're OK with revelations of NSA snooping, you're part of the problem [View all]
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
OP
"U.S. Intelligence Mining Data from Nine U.S. Internet Companies in Broad Secret Program"
Hissyspit
Jun 2013
#162
There is a difference in phone records of calls and actually monitoring the calls.
Thinkingabout
Jun 2013
#156
Is there really? The vast majority of calls are not monitored by humans, but they are retained and
leveymg
Jun 2013
#249
Phone call records are just what it says, a list of phone call from a calling party to a called
Thinkingabout
Jun 2013
#277
The NSA collects all sorts of data, from credit records to email to telephone calls.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#278
Are you saying when the NSA receives the call records it also gets the voice content
Thinkingabout
Jun 2013
#282
NSA installed signal splitter equipment at telco hubs and ISPs that allows it to tap into those
leveymg
Jun 2013
#284
Monitoring of calls is wire tapping, this s different from obtaining records of calls.
Thinkingabout
Jun 2013
#285
NSA does both and a lot more. It operates many programs. PRISM is just one of them.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#289
Yes NSA does more but on the phone records they are simply a record of calls and length.
Thinkingabout
Jun 2013
#294
Too many people think they need protecting from evil forces. So are OK with this shit! n-t
Logical
Jun 2013
#5
...and when the evil force is our own government we won't be able to make corrections to it.
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#151
The lack of logic of worrying about standing up for what is right because 'it might give some
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#20
The retention and minimization rules are by Presidential Order, not agency rules. Overreach is by
leveymg
Jun 2013
#81
Agreed, but agency rules also restrict the collection and holding of data to non-us entities.
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#97
My understanding is that the Retention Act is ignored and that the current Presidential Order
leveymg
Jun 2013
#239
Here's the problem. The IRS has rules and regulations concerning the disclosure
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#242
I agree. That's one of the inherent dangers of the NSA and other agencies collecting data.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#250
There is enough disappointment to go around but I am disappointed in our judicial system
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#143
I think this is traffic analysis. Content of the calls is not collected. I don't think
alfredo
Jun 2013
#79
Bush didn't go through the FISA court, Obama did. Of course we need to know the leanings of the
alfredo
Jun 2013
#102
That is correct, Bush did not go through the FISA court which was exposed if you remember and became
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#117
I would like to see Obama surrender many of the new powers granted to Bush. They were using
alfredo
Jun 2013
#123
The problem with the collection and storage of this data is that it allows the NSA to develop a
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#100
We are not as fear ridden as we were under Bush, that is why there is pushback. Obama isn't
alfredo
Jun 2013
#111
I heard earlier today that this has been occurring for at least seven years. With the
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#113
At least Obama complies with the FISA law. Can we trust the FISA court? I hope so. Repeal
alfredo
Jun 2013
#116
Congressional oversight by leadership plus chair and ranking member of the intelligence committees
FarCenter
Jun 2013
#16
They, including Obama when he was a Senator, voted for the FISA Bill, which RETROACTIVELY
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#47
I think you are right. Congess would have already been briefed in the appropriate
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#114
If you don't acknowledge that Congress as well as the administration is part of the problem
cali
Jun 2013
#14
It's funny that it was shown that the Bush administration shouldn't have needed expanded powers to
brewens
Jun 2013
#15
Exactly. I guess the 'little people have nothing to worry about if they are doing nothing wrong'.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#22
Time to write a web-bot that will randomly use these words in political forums.
PrestonLocke
Jun 2013
#66
"Government, on some level, at least believes it has my best interests at heart"
ohheckyeah
Jun 2013
#216
this is the sort of thing they used to scare us about the Soviets when I was a kid....
mike_c
Jun 2013
#26
The fall of the USSR may have been one of the worst things to happen to the U.S.
Xithras
Jun 2013
#46
Chilling isn't it? I was thinking the same thing recently. But should we be surprised really? Human
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#232
So in your view, once I voted for Obama, I need to shut up and take my lumps?
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#67
If you think tapping and storing phone data just started under Obama you are naive and childish.
Pisces
Jun 2013
#37
I did not meant to attack you directly, my post is a generality. These things are not new.
Pisces
Jun 2013
#103
There may be spin that this was "invented by Obama", but it's not coming from me
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#53
It is wrong on both sides of the fence. However, Congress DID allow this, and it included Democrats
still_one
Jun 2013
#62
Can you even imagine the shitstorm if it turned out the Obama administration had STOPPED doing this?
mn9driver
Jun 2013
#73
A fundamental problem is our government's INTENTIONAL view that 4th amendment doesn't apply...
cascadiance
Jun 2013
#82
So we now live in a country where the Death Penalty is administered without charges, without
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#264
I'm not here to satisfy your whims. I told you I was apprised of all you mentioned
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#272
I am sure it did. OWS fought them off guard so they have taken steps to make sure it doesn't
Dustlawyer
Jun 2013
#263
If you think this just about 'billing' and not content, you're just kidding yourself.
KG
Jun 2013
#98
What's really scary is all 3 branches of government including both parties are okay with it.
dkf
Jun 2013
#127
Everyone who was yelling about sheeple under Bush now have become sheeple :(
pam4water
Jun 2013
#141
What do you mean?? We are safe now & Michelle Obama is a very snappy dresser, so STOP SAYING THAT!!!
Kurovski
Jun 2013
#148
I don't give a fuck what media you fucking consume, that's not the goddamned point.
Kurovski
Jun 2013
#171
You could also include Current TV (if you get it). Bill Press in the morning is very
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#236
Fuckin A. "Natural allies" my ass. You support this you are the fucking enemy
TheKentuckian
Jun 2013
#149
The US is ripe for a dictatorship and if it should happen we won't be able to do anything about it.
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#153
Not that old talking point again 'the reality based community'. It was invented to slam Liberals
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#222
"Proud Member of the Reality Based Community" is a democratic slam against Karl Rove
ConservativeDemocrat
Jun 2013
#267
Which is why it was so reprehensible for so-called Democrats, to use it to slam Democrats with. If
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#268
The reality based community was NOT invented to slam liberals, as you stated
ConservativeDemocrat
Jun 2013
#280
It definitely is not effective as a slam against 'real democrats' at least you are right about that.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#283
Until the Patriot Act is overturned, I can't complain. Until then, it's the law.
SleeplessinSoCal
Jun 2013
#165
You mean Amy Goodman, Thom Hartmann, Glenn Greenwald, The Nation, who were the other 'pack rats'
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#219
NSA has direct server access to your email, photos, file transfers, live chat, search history...
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#194
What Do You Think the NSA Does? This is just another from the SCANDAL machine.
CdnExtraNational
Jun 2013
#213
I think a lot of people didn't understand what the NSA does, and simply trusted that they weren't
leveymg
Jun 2013
#240
"protesting against a lame duck president" is not my point. You may swim in those circles. I don't.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#256
so, anyone who disagrees with your drivel agrees with the NSA snooping? Are you an imbecile?
bigtree
Jun 2013
#261
Great comment, nothing to add just wanted to let you know those who are willing to tolerate the
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#292