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Catherina

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2. Q - What are your thoughts on Google's and Facebook's denials?
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 12:02 PM
Jun 2013

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Question:
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HaraldK
17 June 2013 2:45pm

What are your thoughts on Google's and Facebook's denials? Do you think that they're honestly in the dark about PRISM, or do you think they're compelled to lie?

Perhaps this is a better question to a lawyer like Greenwald, but: If you're presented with a secret order that you're forbidding to reveal the existence of, what will they actually do if you simply refuse to comply (without revealing the order)?

Answer:

Their denials went through several revisions as it become more and more clear they were misleading and included identical, specific language across companies. As a result of these disclosures and the clout of these companies, we're finally beginning to see more transparency and better details about these programs for the first time since their inception.

They are legally compelled to comply and maintain their silence in regard to specifics of the program, but that does not comply them from ethical obligation. If for example Facebook, Google, Microsoft, and Apple refused to provide this cooperation with the Intelligence Community, what do you think the government would do? Shut them down?

Ok. What is the collective DU question? flamingdem Jun 2013 #1
Mine haven't appeared. Maybe they've been 'intercepted' by the NSA? randome Jun 2013 #11
This is a bs answer here: flamingdem Jun 2013 #12
I doubt he's a spy, anyways. He's too unsophisticated, as evidenced by this live Q&A. randome Jun 2013 #13
This is more flip bs without specifics, so far I'm learning nothing but we'll see flamingdem Jun 2013 #14
Here he says he was a true believe in Obama and was so disappointed! flamingdem Jun 2013 #15
I hope you're being sarcastic. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #54
Well as an Anarchist I am sure you know flamingdem Jun 2013 #56
"Well as an Anarchist I am sure you know... Hydra Jun 2013 #78
.. but of course flamingdem Jun 2013 #79
Nice! Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #81
TY, it wrote itself :P Hydra Jun 2013 #91
I'm trying to figure out how your response answers my questions. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #80
I wouldn't worry too much. I don't think the NSA is worried about you at all! sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #35
Please tell me what a secure FTP server is. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #69
It's a computer that allows only authorized access for the express purpose of transferring files. randome Jun 2013 #98
Too fanciful? reusrename Jun 2013 #100
Q - What are your thoughts on Google's and Facebook's denials? Catherina Jun 2013 #2
I must say it's gutsy of him to go live flamingdem Jun 2013 #4
Yes! Ok, I'm not cutting and pasting. I want to follow it Catherina Jun 2013 #5
Do you have any questions? n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #16
Sorry Catherina flamingdem Jun 2013 #17
That's ok. I already know Catherina Jun 2013 #24
What I don't like is republican (or perhaps in this case libertarian) trickery flamingdem Jun 2013 #26
But in the end, this is not about Obama. Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #71
I can't see how it benefits the Republicans sibelian Jun 2013 #104
I would like a more techincal answer than this....give us a breakdown of HOW they have direct access uponit7771 Jun 2013 #19
It appears they use contractors. reusrename Jun 2013 #101
Q- Why did you choose Hong Kong? And tell them about the hacking. Documents disclosed? Catherina Jun 2013 #3
Q - Why did you just not fly direct to Iceland? - Leaving the US was an incredible risk Catherina Jun 2013 #6
Saved nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #7
Q - authorities to wiretap anyone incl President? Yes, I stand by that Catherina Jun 2013 #8
Q- Chinese spy? / predictable smear that I anticipated before going public Catherina Jun 2013 #9
Q- Is encrypting my email any good at defeating the NSA / Yes but Catherina Jun 2013 #10
Quick tech note for the curious Recursion Jun 2013 #21
It could also mean they can access your private key hootinholler Jun 2013 #38
Conceivably Recursion Jun 2013 #52
Q- Do you believe that the treatment of Binney, Drake and others influenced you? "system work? Catherina Jun 2013 #18
Q- What would you say to others who are in a position to leak? / This country is worth dying for. Catherina Jun 2013 #20
Holy shit! He won't answer the question about 'evidence'! randome Jun 2013 #22
Strawman. reusrename Jun 2013 #102
No. The question was "What evidence do you have..." randome Jun 2013 #105
Another strawman. reusrename Jun 2013 #107
Q - Define in as much detail as you can what "direct access" means. Catherina Jun 2013 #23
Bookmarked! reusrename Jun 2013 #103
make sure you see this thread: All Congressional Members are under surveillance Catherina Jun 2013 #111
This message was self-deleted by its author Catherina Jun 2013 #110
Q - Why did you wait... until Obama was President? / campaign promises and election gave me faith Catherina Jun 2013 #25
Q- US officials say terrorists already.... / the HONOR of being called a traitor by Dick Cheney Catherina Jun 2013 #27
i like his sense of humor markiv Jun 2013 #44
+1 n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #51
this is extraordinary..thanks so much for posting..nt xiamiam Jun 2013 #28
I am just now skimming the queue of questions Greenwald had to go from Catherina Jun 2013 #36
Q - how did this evolve? / seeing a continuing litany of lies from senior officials to Congress Catherina Jun 2013 #29
When did Clapper lie to the American public before Snowden became a household word? randome Jun 2013 #31
It is my understanding that Clapper Coccydynia Jun 2013 #70
Right. I understand that. randome Jun 2013 #99
OMFG! reusrename Jun 2013 #106
Q - Have you secretly given classified to Chinese govt / No I have had no contact with them Catherina Jun 2013 #30
Q - Is debate going well? / Initially I was very encouraged but MSM diverting from ... Catherina Jun 2013 #32
Nice non-answer. ucrdem Jun 2013 #33
that must of been the most monitored "web chat" in the history of mankind? Monkie Jun 2013 #65
Q - Ellsberg, Manning and Wikileaks Catherina Jun 2013 #34
Q - Did you lie about your salary? / No, Booz was not the most I've been paid. Catherina Jun 2013 #37
wow..that was amazing and I think a smart thing to do today xiamiam Jun 2013 #39
Me too and totally agreed. He is an incredible young man with more courage in his little toe Catherina Jun 2013 #50
Q - Last words? / Thanks to everyone... US Person/foreigner distinction is not a reasonable subst Catherina Jun 2013 #40
foreigner distinction/citizens of the world/all human beings Monkie Jun 2013 #66
Good idea, I'll work on that. It's important to see things uninterpreted lol. n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #83
I followed your excellent suggestion, see post 85 Catherina Jun 2013 #86
tell someone irl you deserve a hug Monkie Jun 2013 #96
thank you Catherina..I don't know how you do it..just thanks for everything you post..nt xiamiam Jun 2013 #41
You're quite welcome. I think it's important to have undiluted raw data Catherina Jun 2013 #46
This was probably a mistake railsback Jun 2013 #42
Recommend~ KoKo Jun 2013 #43
Thanks KoKo n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #47
Thank you for everything you do! Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #45
Thank you for the solidarity. Down in the trenches, it's all we have. Little people solidarity Catherina Jun 2013 #49
Thanks so much for posting. snagglepuss Jun 2013 #48
You're welcome. I hope it this raw record serves DU for the greater good DU n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #53
Thanks! truebrit71 Jun 2013 #55
Hi Truebrit! Catherina Jun 2013 #57
Hi! truebrit71 Jun 2013 #58
I wish there was a like button for individual posts Catherina Jun 2013 #61
Thanks Catherina for posting this fasttense Jun 2013 #59
That one's a forever classic. I wish I could put it in my sig line Catherina Jun 2013 #62
Someone is writing scripts for this guy. And they're not very good. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #60
That would likely be Greenwald then! randome Jun 2013 #63
An incredible young man. Thanks you so much for posting Autumn Jun 2013 #64
I think so too. He's doing an incredible job Catherina Jun 2013 #67
All of that IT stuff is way over my head. zeemike Jun 2013 #68
Tech stuff is unimportant. If it was wrong, the govt wouldn't be having an apoplectic fit Catherina Jun 2013 #75
If they had taught a class on how to be the kind of citizen Dick Cheney worries about, I would have bemildred Jun 2013 #72
Just a thought. We know that the President campaigned on stopping these constitutional abuses. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #73
Sadly no, not with such an international spectactle Catherina Jun 2013 #76
I've been thinking about this a lot. I'm not sure it matters much, but I would like to know. reusrename Jun 2013 #108
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #74
You're welcome WillyT :) That was so unexpected. Just wow... n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #77
K&R usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #82
I'm tellin' ya, 3 Trillion is seriously low-balling it Catherina Jun 2013 #90
You've posted a lot of good information - ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #84
Yes, and career NSA-ers too. I have a feeling more will come forward now Catherina Jun 2013 #88
Absolutely! n/t ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #89
***Consolidated Post - Edward Snowden Q&A*** (Updated with Gang of Eight information) Catherina Jun 2013 #85
This message was self-deleted by its author randome Jun 2013 #87
K&R! This is important stuff! n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #92
Thanks my friend :) n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #93
I was blown away by the Twitter Q&A today grasswire Jun 2013 #94
I was blown away too Catherina Jun 2013 #95
a $80 billion a year industry hunting him, plus the FBI and other agencies, and hes holding a Q&A Monkie Jun 2013 #97
Outstanding thread, thank you. reusrename Jun 2013 #109
Good work on this! Spirochete Jun 2013 #112
Thanks. Thought it was important, in order to give DU an accurate record Catherina Jun 2013 #113
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