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Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 06:50 PM Jun 2013

What is it you want to see happen with the NSA? [View all]

Let's just put it out there. What is your ideal balance of security and personal freedom?

While we are at it, let's also discuss how much we trust the government to do the right thing. I asked before and got no answer. Why do we assume a nefarious plot in the NSA thing (or potential for one) and at the same time we want things like single-payer health care would expose as much, if not more personal data to the government? If the government can target you by who you called, couldn't they also target you by leaking something private in your medical history?

From my point of view, I want a government worthy of my trust. They already have so much info at their disposal it makes me nervous, but at some point, I have to say "I trust them to do what is correct with that information or we might as well just be done with the notion and become an everyone for themselves society".

It's a tough question. What data do you trust the government with to do the job we expect it to do? Some folks are looking for easy answers and I don't think there are going to be any.

What is the proper balance? Should they look at banking transactions to catch tax cheats and money laundering? Should they look at health data to see if their is a cluster of illness that may indicate a public health concern? What about background checks for guns that list mental illnesses?

It seems to me pretty much anything can have a slippery slope argument applied to it.

So what do we do?

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Make the rich stop stealing our resources leftstreet Jun 2013 #1
How? Would you make a database to see who might be exploiting our resources unfairly? Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #2
No dragnet data collection. Access through warrant with probable cause. dkf Jun 2013 #3
What constitutes probable cause for data collection? Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #5
If you've been in contact with a terrorist, I think they should be able to get a warrant to look dkf Jun 2013 #10
If no one is looking, however, how would one know? Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #18
It's fine to examine the web of known terrorists. dkf Jun 2013 #23
Your essay is based on a false statement of fact PSPS Jun 2013 #4
As I recall, on this very board, most of us were arguing in favor of FISA when Bush... Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #6
FISA has now been shown to be a fig leaf PSPS Jun 2013 #19
Actually Bush did not want to wait for FISA Court time frame for an answer, he wanted to make the Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #26
Exactly my point. And the majority here at least was against bypassing FISA. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #30
I want their activities scaled back to off-shore and direct military support only. 1-Old-Man Jun 2013 #7
DITTO! marions ghost Jun 2013 #11
according to a Teabagger. Let's not forget the source. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #15
So what? If I do agree with a teabagger for once marions ghost Jun 2013 #24
Secret domestic surveillance is not analogous to healthcare. DirkGently Jun 2013 #8
Excellent post! marions ghost Jun 2013 #13
You know, any questions marions ghost Jun 2013 #9
I see. So what do you do about overlap? Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #14
There are established protocols marions ghost Jun 2013 #21
Information is property now, so we need a clear definition of who owns it. bemildred Jun 2013 #12
The depth and breadth of the topic warrants transparency on behalf of the NSA first... Earth_First Jun 2013 #16
Well, there is that. Perhaps a dismantle and complete rebuild is order. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #28
Contractors removed from the system entirely. Data held for only 5 years by telecom co's. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #17
That is the beginning of good... Pholus Jun 2013 #22
It's called the National Security Agency reteachinwi Jun 2013 #20
Put more women in positions of authority. It's worth a try. nt FLyellowdog Jun 2013 #25
Two suggestions. moondust Jun 2013 #27
Good suggestions. Both of them. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #29
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