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Pholus

(4,062 posts)
22. That is the beginning of good...
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 08:01 PM
Jun 2013

If you insist this boondoggle is necessary, you should be willing to pay a bit of a price for it...

Without a warrant for an active investigation, NO ELECTRONIC RECORD about a US citizen SHALL be retained longer than 36 months.

The Germans may process but not store anything, perhaps that rule would be good for us too.

NSA must NEVER release anything gleaned from the data for any reason other than national security. No mission creep allowed whatsoever.

Evidence from the system inadmissible in any legal proceeding ever. Even for terror. Make your case from the investigation, not the data.

Release/Leakage of personal information about any non terror suspect punished by life in prison without possibility of parole for the leaker. This does not extend to programmatic information.

If it can be shown that data from the program has been released to influence an election or used to blackmail an individual this should be prosecuted as a capital offense.

External review built into annual operations.

No secrets held past 10 years regardless.

FISA warrants (including the subject of the investigation) are made public after 10 years.

A path for civil litigation for citizens not convicted of terrorism but who have suffered ill effects must be created.

ABSOLUTELY no contractors.


Make the rich stop stealing our resources leftstreet Jun 2013 #1
How? Would you make a database to see who might be exploiting our resources unfairly? Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #2
No dragnet data collection. Access through warrant with probable cause. dkf Jun 2013 #3
What constitutes probable cause for data collection? Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #5
If you've been in contact with a terrorist, I think they should be able to get a warrant to look dkf Jun 2013 #10
If no one is looking, however, how would one know? Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #18
It's fine to examine the web of known terrorists. dkf Jun 2013 #23
Your essay is based on a false statement of fact PSPS Jun 2013 #4
As I recall, on this very board, most of us were arguing in favor of FISA when Bush... Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #6
FISA has now been shown to be a fig leaf PSPS Jun 2013 #19
Actually Bush did not want to wait for FISA Court time frame for an answer, he wanted to make the Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #26
Exactly my point. And the majority here at least was against bypassing FISA. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #30
I want their activities scaled back to off-shore and direct military support only. 1-Old-Man Jun 2013 #7
DITTO! marions ghost Jun 2013 #11
according to a Teabagger. Let's not forget the source. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #15
So what? If I do agree with a teabagger for once marions ghost Jun 2013 #24
Secret domestic surveillance is not analogous to healthcare. DirkGently Jun 2013 #8
Excellent post! marions ghost Jun 2013 #13
You know, any questions marions ghost Jun 2013 #9
I see. So what do you do about overlap? Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #14
There are established protocols marions ghost Jun 2013 #21
Information is property now, so we need a clear definition of who owns it. bemildred Jun 2013 #12
The depth and breadth of the topic warrants transparency on behalf of the NSA first... Earth_First Jun 2013 #16
Well, there is that. Perhaps a dismantle and complete rebuild is order. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #28
Contractors removed from the system entirely. Data held for only 5 years by telecom co's. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #17
That is the beginning of good... Pholus Jun 2013 #22
It's called the National Security Agency reteachinwi Jun 2013 #20
Put more women in positions of authority. It's worth a try. nt FLyellowdog Jun 2013 #25
Two suggestions. moondust Jun 2013 #27
Good suggestions. Both of them. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #29
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