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Cleita

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55. So maybe we should.

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 03:12 PM

Jun 2013

It's a fine document as it stands. It could stand some updating, but mostly we need a government that follows its principles instead of using it for a bird cage liner.

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The Snowden Saga has revealed something else [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 OP

"The fall of the American Empire is upon us" ProSense Jun 2013 #1

Laugh at your own peril... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #2

And they are gloating about it! treestar Jun 2013 #5

It sure does sound like they are Control-Z Jun 2013 #10

Money spent exerting control elsewhere Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #27

There's an element among the far-left fringe and libertarian left... SidDithers Jun 2013 #42

You call it delusional Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #46

+1 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #88

Not it's the rise of a liberal utopia that is foreseen. sibelian Jun 2013 #103

It'll be a real utopia, all right...one where, if you don't speak Chinese, you ain't shit! MADem Jun 2013 #109

Oh. You're in favor of Imperialism? Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #14

what imperialism? treestar Jun 2013 #18

Iraq. Afghanistan, Several S. American countries. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #33

mexico BOG PERSON Jun 2013 #35

My bad. Absolute(ly) Mexico, as well. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #36

Not the same thing treestar Jun 2013 #37

Are we? Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #39

I'm against that but at least can see it as a war treestar Jun 2013 #77

I don't see the Obama Admin as "imperialistic" by nature. At all. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #81

I think that was the original plan BobbyBoring Jun 2013 #87

horried @ whitewashing of the crimes of british imperialism BOG PERSON Jun 2013 #76

That's ridiculous treestar Jun 2013 #78

did you even read what you posted? BOG PERSON Jun 2013 #80

You should never have gone into Iraq and Afghanistan in the first place... sibelian Jun 2013 #104

Countries the US has colonized. Melinda Jun 2013 #71

So this country is an empire because it was built up into a country? treestar Jun 2013 #73

This land was colonized, period. Each of the examples I gave you were colonialized by the US Melinda Jun 2013 #86

Weird, huh? They go from Marr Jun 2013 #119

That is mystifying, isn't it? Whisp Jun 2013 #22

many romans welcomed the barbarians as liberators n/t BOG PERSON Jun 2013 #34

the whole barbarian label is just a myth! Monkie Jun 2013 #115

If it is true, then I am happy about it Scootaloo Jun 2013 #56

I want my nation back too undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #108

The Empire is failing as all empires do, not just Rome. Cleita Jun 2013 #9

Empires fail because they're created for a primary reason: Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #20

Well, we've been doing that for a long time. Cleita Jun 2013 #24

Now that's a huge pile of stupid. All Empires fail because they go bankrupt paying for expansions. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #30

Not all... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #31

"That argument is stupid" is not a personal attack. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2013 #92

You quoted something that was not a quote. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #94

Close enough. Get off the cross, someone else needs the lumber. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2013 #96

"Get off the cross..." Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #98

Empire's don't fall for singular reasons. sibelian Jun 2013 #105

I agree American imperialism Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #3

It is becoming way obvoous nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #6

Kicked and recommended! Th1onein Jun 2013 #4

+1! And all those countries have changed their encryption keys and rerouted communications Catherina Jun 2013 #7

That is what Keith Alexander was complaining about nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #8

It also reveals that they fear alsame Jun 2013 #11

Like all other declining Empires nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #17

Lay it all on NSA's doorstep. Downwinder Jun 2013 #12

Ingrates! After all we've done to...er...for them! Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #13

As I said in another thread, a sclerotic military/industrial empire, unable to truly respond villager Jun 2013 #15

We may be better off if it happens. Cleita Jun 2013 #16

China is the rising power nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #21

If an alien invasion hit the news agent46 Jun 2013 #65

Well my view is a tad different. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #67

Unlikely - the timing is all wrong agent46 Jun 2013 #107

Aside from the North Sea oil & financial services boom, the last Century has been hell for the Brits FarCenter Jun 2013 #32

They have done better from a social point of view. They have national health care Cleita Jun 2013 #38

The reason that we were so prosperous between 1945 and 1975 was we could exploit everyone else FarCenter Jun 2013 #47

Whatever you want to call it. It was pretty middle class to all other countries looking in on us Cleita Jun 2013 #54

The US middle class was well into the global upper class FarCenter Jun 2013 #57

They were. Even a kid I knew from Mexico, back then, sixteen years old, told me Cleita Jun 2013 #60

The old Soviet Union only took 2 years to trade Gary Francis Powers WestStar Jun 2013 #19

And the Gary Powers saga is a perfect example nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #23

My husband, a naturalized American and very patriotic one as most immigrants Cleita Jun 2013 #26

The American Empire is approximately where the British Empire was in 1895 FarCenter Jun 2013 #25

I think it is more like 1940 nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #28

I don't think that will happen. The poor states in this country depend on the more Cleita Jun 2013 #40

1940 was 2 years into WW II? WW II was just the tail end of the 1914-1949 global war. FarCenter Jun 2013 #43

And I see this as a roman curve nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author truebluegreen Jun 2013 #82

We've given other nations the ammunition to call us a rogue state. DirkGently Jun 2013 #29

All the abuses you mention is because our governing bodies have stopped Cleita Jun 2013 #41

"I'm not going with 'Nazi'. But corruption occurs by degrees. DirkGently Jun 2013 #44

Fine. Ignore history then. You know that the Weimar Republic was never overthrown Cleita Jun 2013 #49

Not ignoring history. People wig out when Nazis are brought DirkGently Jun 2013 #52

That's because those who are following in their footsteps want people not to discuss it. Cleita Jun 2013 #63

It's idiotic to compare everything to the most extreme. DirkGently Jun 2013 #68

History is history. You cannot deny it. It's idiotic to ignore abuses of the past. Cleita Jun 2013 #74

Don't need your help with "history," thanks. DirkGently Jun 2013 #75

Totally agree with Cleita. The parallels are too similar for their comfort level, especially GoneFishin Jun 2013 #110

In 1935 the Nazis were not there yet either nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #64

Precisely. The point is to notice your frog DirkGently Jun 2013 #70

Yes, but if I wait until my frog is completely cooked then at least I have the piece of mind GoneFishin Jun 2013 #112

The US' current structure pretty much goes back to the Civil War FarCenter Jun 2013 #53

So maybe we should. Cleita Jun 2013 #55

Weimar Republic under the Nazis rounded up political opponents en masse One of the 99 Jun 2013 #114

Yes. You make a person illegal or an action illegal, then you can round them up Cleita Jun 2013 #116

No the round ups of political opponents started after the Reichstag fire One of the 99 Jun 2013 #117

McConnell and Paul are communists? Your historical equivalencies are rather strange. Cleita Jun 2013 #118

That's because they are based on the facts. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #122

this should be an OP FirstLight Jun 2013 #83

Watch what you say because the US The Second Stone Jun 2013 #48

They have been spying on us since the cold war. I found out I have an FBI file on me Cleita Jun 2013 #50

I know, and as a reporter I am doubly an enemy of the state. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #51

Snowden signed papers and took oaths that he would not compromise information. He violated that, still_one Jun 2013 #58

The US was not an empire in 1865 nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #59

If things are so terrible here, why don't you involve yourself with candidates that support your still_one Jun 2013 #66

I thought I did, I even voted twice or him and gave money. (Never again, getting taken by a DC pol) nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #69

If only the judges, legislators and Presidents The Second Stone Jun 2013 #120

We're learning quick, or pretending at least. We've gone from demanding to *hoping* Catherina Jun 2013 #61

Before long I expect the administration nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #62

Probably. And only to complicate things if they dare touch him afterwards lol n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #72

ding! FirstLight Jun 2013 #79

a minor embellishment to the OP 90-percent Jun 2013 #84

Agreed and he is actually number seven nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #85

The Travesty Is Not Snowden - The Travesty Is The Emasculation Of The 4th Amendment cantbeserious Jun 2013 #90

I think timdog44 Jun 2013 #93

Snowden could not have done much or any damage to the US and her allies, junior partners in Empire, RC Jun 2013 #106

Well done, Nad. I agree. gateley Jun 2013 #89

very interesting reads in this thread temmer Jun 2013 #91

This has been indeed timdog44 Jun 2013 #95

I don't think we can do that nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #97

I think the ingenuity timdog44 Jun 2013 #99

I write dystopian fiction nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #100

I have no answer. timdog44 Jun 2013 #101

It has some of that. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #102

In good ol' days the rest of the world relied on the US One of the 99 Jun 2013 #111

hoooookay nostradamus... dionysus Jun 2013 #113

The US will fall due to our war with North Korea tammywammy Jun 2013 #121