General Discussion

alsame

(7,784 posts)

52. He's trying to make her seem like a

Reply to Beaverhausen (Reply #43)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 04:13 PM

Jun 2013

chronic liar - she lied about being in the hospital and lied about her age.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

284 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

I dont think Trayvon's friend is helping the case much. [View all] darkangel218 Jun 2013 OP

you seem to be having a bit of difficulty yourself Skittles Jun 2013 #1

+1000 quinnox Jun 2013 #60

I agree. She needed to be continually asked to speak up and she seemed very annoyed. EOTE Jun 2013 #2

Parties aren't supposed to "prep" their witnesses. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #8

Isn't one of the attorney's maxims "Never ask a question you don't already know the answer to"? EOTE Jun 2013 #14

Of course she would have been prepped. Myrina Jun 2013 #207

thats not true qazplm Jun 2013 #54

My father was involved in a court case and he was "prepped", not fed answerers Raine Jun 2013 #97

Lawyers prep witnesses all the time... markpkessinger Jun 2013 #100

Not true. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #165

Oh but they do. Bake Jun 2013 #228

Of course they do. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #229

Nothing against the rules about it... WI_DEM Jun 2013 #243

Not only is it NOT against the rules ... Bake Jun 2013 #261

I think we're talking about two different things here. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #262

She's a kid. n/t ScreamingMeemie Jun 2013 #3

I'm pretty sure she's 19 which makes her, at least legally, an adult. nt EOTE Jun 2013 #15

I'm sorry, turning 19 doesn't magically gift you with the ability to speak like a grownup. A kid n/t ScreamingMeemie Jun 2013 #36

I've known plenty of 15 year olds who could speak like adults. EOTE Jun 2013 #39

Good for you. She's a kid. To expect her to sit on the stand and be perfect. Pfffft n/t ScreamingMeemie Jun 2013 #55

Again, not expecting her to be perfect. Just for her to have a bit of a clue as to why she's there. EOTE Jun 2013 #67

The average reading level in US for high schoolers Maximumnegro Jun 2013 #105

I'm not expecting eloquence. EOTE Jun 2013 #122

Not be perfect, but she didn't have to be rude either. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #115

I think she may represent a large chunk of that generation. gateley Jun 2013 #159

Don't get me wrong ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #175

And I was an absolute terror and wild child. But I was schooled by nuns and gateley Jun 2013 #266

I totally feel ya. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #269

Let's meet in the middle... Pelican Jun 2013 #123

So? The average youth under the pressure of a courtroom appearance pnwmom Jun 2013 #81

That's true. EOTE Jun 2013 #237

There are a number of jurors who are going through the same thing? Only much more so? pnwmom Jun 2013 #239

Trayvon was murdered almost a year and a half ago. EOTE Jun 2013 #245

I've seen her wiping tears a number of times. Is that because she's petulant, too? pnwmom Jun 2013 #246

Crying is fine, being an asshole is not. EOTE Jun 2013 #249

I am pretty sure this is a girl who has been traumatized Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #232

+1. nt pnwmom Jun 2013 #240

At 19, she *is* a grownup. Rod Walker Jun 2013 #61

At 19, she's several years away from having a fully developed brain, pnwmom Jun 2013 #82

That was surely evident. theHandpuppet Jun 2013 #85

Hm...harsh but fair. Rod Walker Jun 2013 #95

Hey now. This is FLORIDA we're talking Maximumnegro Jun 2013 #106

And the defense will try to show exboyfil Jun 2013 #140

I (and virtually everyone I grew up with) was *far* more articulate at age 19 than this woman. Rod Walker Jun 2013 #93

I'm sure you were a regular Dr. Bombay. savalez Jun 2013 #104

I always preferred Uncle Arthur, actually. Rod Walker Jun 2013 #107

She wasn't picked because she was so articulate. pnwmom Jun 2013 #119

and thank you!! Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #234

+1 cyberswede Jun 2013 #242

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #138

It's not theater. She's not going to get any awards for her testimony. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #4

exactly. wtf... Whisp Jun 2013 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Jun 2013 #34

I meant to say , prosecution shouldve coached her a bit. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #37

coached her on what? her voice she was born with? Whisp Jun 2013 #44

Omg! On answering the questions, not her voice! darkangel218 Jun 2013 #49

Whisp??? onpatrol98 Jun 2013 #146

"she isn't helping the prosecution with the right group" I am wondering if those appalled by her bettyellen Jun 2013 #201

^^^this is why Zimmerman is trying to claim that Martin ambushed him magical thyme Jun 2013 #231

Coaching is against the rules, will indicate they may have told her what to say. uppityperson Jun 2013 #47

Telling her to try to be clear with her answers is not agaisnt the rules. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #53

I agree, was misunderstanding. uppityperson Jun 2013 #58

That's illegal. The best thing to do is tell witnesses... JVS Jun 2013 #111

She is the closest thing to Martin the Jury will see BlueStreak Jun 2013 #139

Except the actual **CONTENT** of the testimony supports the prosecution's picture Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #141

This didn't strike me as a "My Cousin Vinnie" moment BlueStreak Jun 2013 #153

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #149

The witness should've spoken more clearly CreekDog Jun 2013 #203

It feels like she got no prep... Agschmid Jun 2013 #5

She's not supposed to be prepped. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #11

Yes but she was appearing in court... Agschmid Jun 2013 #16

Some witnesses will have their own attorneys. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #18

Got it. Agschmid Jun 2013 #22

What? premium Jun 2013 #20

An attorney can tell you what to expect in questioning. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #29

Ok, then. premium Jun 2013 #32

"Preparing a witness to testify" and "instructing them how to answer" jberryhill Jun 2013 #33

That's false. Parties can prep witnesses. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #116

She's a teenager Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #6

Maybe it's just me, premium Jun 2013 #7

Thats my take too. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #13

Yup. n/t Agschmid Jun 2013 #17

What specifically is she saying that weakens or undermines the prosecutions' case? LanternWaste Jun 2013 #21

The recollection of events is not strong... Agschmid Jun 2013 #26

I don't really see how testimony that neither weakens not invalidates the prosecution's case LanternWaste Jun 2013 #71

You are dealing with live human jurors ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #117

Disagree. I caught the prosecution's questioning. I think she presented a vivid account. pinto Jun 2013 #9

Here's how I see it justiceischeap Jun 2013 #10

Absolutely. I'm a fucking expat who hasn't spoken english in months Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #30

I've spoken English pipi_k Jun 2013 #166

Yes, it isn't all that clear, but it is intelligeble. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #167

I agree with you, she isn't being very clear or forthcoming Rhiannon12866 Jun 2013 #12

It's not a theatrical performance. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #25

I'm not hoping to be entertained Rhiannon12866 Jun 2013 #35

Her story was actually pretty clear. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #42

He seems to be putting words in her mouth Rhiannon12866 Jun 2013 #68

she is telling her account. Whisp Jun 2013 #19

I had to turn it off olddots Jun 2013 #23

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #143

She completely destryoed Zimmy's version of events. nt Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #27

I think this is far outside her way of communicating. And she's young and scared and upset. nolabear Jun 2013 #28

I think she is holding up well. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #31

I actually enjoy seeing her get in his face a little. nolabear Jun 2013 #38

she is doing great. Under that kind of pressure and emotion Whisp Jun 2013 #41

Thats your opinion, Whisp, otbers have the right to disagree with you. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #45

The Queen's English would be very refreshing, under the circumstances. Rod Walker Jun 2013 #112

you mean Ann Romney's English? wtf are you talking about? n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #172

Ann Romney? What in the world does she have anything to do with the subject at hand? Rod Walker Jun 2013 #219

'the Queen's English' Whisp Jun 2013 #227

Well nothing other than I think you Kingofalldems Jun 2013 #260

Yeah how dare she speak a dialect?!?! bobduca Jun 2013 #267

The Queen's english? Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #130

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #142

LOL. Give me a break. What are you people expecting? Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #145

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #147

Fuck and shit have been english words for a long time, now, right? Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #148

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #154

Your questions have been answered by other people in this thread. Do read up. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #158

Cursive is a relic, useless and used less for decades now CreekDog Jun 2013 #206

Do tell. Foreigners? HappyMe Jun 2013 #155

It seems his "Ebonics-to-Foreign language" clinic has already been shut down. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #162

I could barely stand to HappyMe Jun 2013 #163

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #196

classicism? ...... oldhippie Jun 2013 #168

Classism. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #169

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #199

And back "he" is. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #200

Shouldn't one goal of High School be to teach the Queen's English? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #180

It is should be, and is a goal. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #181

do you mean Ann Romney speaking to 'you people'? Whisp Jun 2013 #189

No. I mean standard, grammatical, understandable English. (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #191

so for another example, anyone with a foreign accent Whisp Jun 2013 #194

What does a "foreign accent" have to do with being grammatical? Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #197

and some don't. eom Whisp Jun 2013 #198

Nye thinks our high schools should teach us to speak and write as the British are taught CreekDog Jul 2013 #284

if Margaret Thatcher were on the stand, you'd be defending her CreekDog Jun 2013 #212

Wow. The Margaret Thatcher thing really, really bothered you, didn't it? Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #213

In a country without a "Queen"? CreekDog Jun 2013 #209

OK, the President's English (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #211

so a 19 year old whose friend was murdered needs to speak like a Harvard Law grad? CreekDog Jun 2013 #218

No. Clear, grammatical English would be just fine. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #225

but you defended Thatcher against any criticism CreekDog Jun 2013 #226

I don't intend this to insult, LiberalAndProud Jun 2013 #248

Well, the President is black and I just praised his English (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #251

I wasn't referring to racism or bigotry, but more to culture and ethnic identity. LiberalAndProud Jun 2013 #252

In her own way, she's basically calling him full of shit. DevonRex Jun 2013 #46

I agree. HappyMe Jun 2013 #144

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #150

I think she's doing fucking great. She stands up to that asshole defense attorney. DevonRex Jun 2013 #40

what does this line of questioning have to do with anything? Beaverhausen Jun 2013 #43

I'm guessing the Defense is going to try to argue that the Martin family used her to concoct a story Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #48

The legal analyst on MSNBC, alsame Jun 2013 #78

He's trying to make her seem like a alsame Jun 2013 #52

The prosecution should be objecting, then. Are they? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #73

No, she admitted she lied and alsame Jun 2013 #79

The whole thing is difficult, isn't it? uppityperson Jun 2013 #50

LOL! True dat. nolabear Jun 2013 #56

There's the trap. He's drawing parallels between two things she said that weren't true. nolabear Jun 2013 #51

i thought it made her appear more honest, like she was telling the truth JI7 Jun 2013 #57

Frustrating to watch indeed Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #59

her timeline was accurate n/t riverwalker Jun 2013 #80

I can't believe Don West is spending 5 minutes over friend vs. girlfriend. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #62

I think her reticence is working in the prosecution's favor frazzled Jun 2013 #63

I agree, elleng Jun 2013 #69

I completely agree. Lisa D Jun 2013 #74

Interesting that we women seem to agree on this frazzled Jun 2013 #77

we talked about the exact thing last night, very typical teenager..."I don't want to be bothered" uponit7771 Jun 2013 #151

And WTF is up with the defense comment about Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #64

Hundreds and hundreds of texts this lawyer asks. That is what kids do. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #65

This dude doesn't know anything about teens, I think all american girl Jun 2013 #170

I agree!I bet the jury found it mind numbing. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #171

I've gotten kind of fond of her during the course of this. It's a look into a teenager's world. nolabear Jun 2013 #66

Yes, fond of her and sorry for her elleng Jun 2013 #70

Yes, her instinct for wanting to be anonymous was a good one. This stuff eats you alive. nolabear Jun 2013 #76

I'm enjoying this and I think she's doing quite well Autumn Jun 2013 #75

She's young and nervous Just Saying Jun 2013 #72

This. Right here. Brickbat Jun 2013 #88

I think you're making a very important point here. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #101

+1 davidpdx Jun 2013 #137

Given the OP's track record, I feel good knowing about the witness knowing she feels bad about it CreekDog Jun 2013 #214

the parents crying probably sealed his fate arely staircase Jun 2013 #83

She's doing very well..in fact I think the defense's treatment of her is poorly msanthrope Jun 2013 #84

She is doing horribly and a poor witness ksoze Jun 2013 #87

This isn't Law and Order..she's doing just fine. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #89

Fine for the defense ksoze Jun 2013 #90

being questioned for hours is not the same as observing for hours magical thyme Jun 2013 #96

But she is the star prosecution witness ksoze Jun 2013 #98

did the prosecution call her their star witness? magical thyme Jun 2013 #118

I agree ... thinly veiled beneath her "Yes sir"s are simmering "Fuck the hell off". Myrina Jun 2013 #217

how long has she been on the stand? magical thyme Jun 2013 #86

I believe they suspended her testimony until tomorrow. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #91

I love her exasperation when she heard she'd have to come back csziggy Jun 2013 #108

If she is 19 now and still in high school Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #92

The defense attorney was fine with her. She tripped herself up. ksoze Jun 2013 #94

I'll alert the prosecutor re your concerns Kingofalldems Jun 2013 #99

Ill tell my pet cat what you said. nt darkangel218 Jun 2013 #103

before or after the self delete? CreekDog Jun 2013 #220

agree - horrible witness - has given contradictory responses DrDan Jun 2013 #102

at the time KT2000 Jun 2013 #109

She is doing fine...I would have cussed that prick of a lawyer by now HipChick Jun 2013 #110

Which would make you a great defense witness ksoze Jun 2013 #113

She was deposed by him before and understandably finds him annoying. She is sick of him. Glimmer of Hope Jun 2013 #121

I came home after work and told my girlfriend the same thing. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #114

All the racists are attacking this young woman on the freeper sites RandiFan1290 Jun 2013 #120

My OP wasnt racist and i didnt see any racist posts in this thread. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #124

Yeah, I read freeper sites RandiFan1290 Jun 2013 #125

Good for you. Youre ignored. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #131

Oh noes! RandiFan1290 Jun 2013 #133

The first two were self-deleted. nt bike man Jun 2013 #186

lol RandiFan1290 Jun 2013 #270

What a sickening comment to make. EOTE Jun 2013 #126

She's not a pro RandiFan1290 Jun 2013 #128

What a ridiculous bunch of strawmen bullshit. EOTE Jun 2013 #129

Maybe you watch too much TV RandiFan1290 Jun 2013 #132

Maybe you're far too quick to throw out sickening accusations of racism. EOTE Jun 2013 #134

There are OPs calling people racist if they do not agree with Obama all the time. djean111 Jun 2013 #135

I'd hope so, but it seems like the bulk go unchallenged. EOTE Jun 2013 #156

Nobody is asking for an actress WI_DEM Jun 2013 #247

Slow down Comrade. Opinions not yours are not auto-racist ksoze Jun 2013 #127

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #152

This pipi_k Jun 2013 #160

She did fine. BklnDem75 Jun 2013 #136

I thought much pipi_k Jun 2013 #157

I just hope she tells the unvarnished truth. JohnnyRingo Jun 2013 #161

Trayvon Martin's friend's name is Rachel Jeantel and my heart breaks for her. graham4anything Jun 2013 #164

wait. I thought she was his girlfriend adric mutelovic Jun 2013 #174

I am not confused about anything. I hold these truth's to be self-evident. graham4anything Jun 2013 #179

Yes. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #230

She is a nightmare witness LittleBlue Jun 2013 #173

I think she is a terrible witness. She mumbles way to much. southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #176

She cant read cursive,because......its not taught in school anymore Gin Jun 2013 #177

That's the Florida school system for you. lpbk2713 Jun 2013 #182

See my response #184. Both grandsons read cursive, both in Florida bike man Jun 2013 #185

Collier County has stopped it HockeyMom Jun 2013 #190

I'd venture to guess your grandsons didn't attend Miami inner city schools, as did Ms Jeantel. lpbk2713 Jun 2013 #224

So is it the Miami inner city schools, or the Florida school system, as post 182 suggests? bike man Jun 2013 #259

Odd. I have one 19 yr old grandson, just finished first yr college, and he reads bike man Jun 2013 #184

Found this on google...Wahingotn Post article.....but there are many other sources. Gin Jun 2013 #188

They will print it HockeyMom Jun 2013 #192

Some of them must be getting it from somewhere. Where would we place the blame for bike man Jun 2013 #193

Check their ages again. Then ask a 10-year-old. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #216

Don't need to check their ages, I've known them since they were babies. And here bike man Jun 2013 #256

and I happen to know a 19 year old Sheepshank Jun 2013 #250

Exactly! FloridaJudy Jun 2013 #257

The 19 yr old in your example probable would not be a prosecution witness, either. bike man Jun 2013 #258

The fact that you didn't grasp the idea that there is a spectrum Sheepshank Jun 2013 #272

As is assigning all sorts of reasons to justify poor performance. No one here bike man Jun 2013 #273

and your constant appearance on the stand Sheepshank Jun 2013 #275

I WOULD LIKE EVERY DU'ER TO READ YOUR POST. Too many defend this practice. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #215

If this person is the prosecution's "star witness", the prosecution is in big trouble. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #178

I admit, I did a lot of face palming, but ecstatic Jun 2013 #187

The context of the question was if she recognized that map Lisa D Jun 2013 #210

I thought the same thing and I watched B Calm Jun 2013 #183

She's doing a pretty good job pushing back against West's attempts.... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #195

I agree with you Samantha Jun 2013 #268

I'm not sure who's harder to listen to .... Myrina Jun 2013 #202

Rule of thumb while being questioned by the opposing attorney: Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #204

LOL nt Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #205

... and you went to law school, where? Myrina Jun 2013 #221

:) Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #238

More of that conversation... SlipperySlope Jun 2013 #233

LOL pokerfan Jun 2013 #244

I've been a witness on behalf of the presecution in court, several times Sheepshank Jun 2013 #253

i don't think z's lawyers are helping him much arely staircase Jun 2013 #208

+1, they cant make RJ less credible now...they're droning for no reason uponit7771 Jun 2013 #223

considering your posts are full of malaprops and errors CreekDog Jun 2013 #222

Lmao! is that all you could come up with? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #241

She did hurt the case as far as I'm concerned. Boudica the Lyoness Jun 2013 #235

If you lost someone who you think was trying to rape you.... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #236

sometimes "crackers/pedos" need to be taught a lesson grok Jun 2013 #254

Say what???? Who is this "they" of which you speak? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #255

You forgot the sarcasm smile, buddy darkangel218 Jun 2013 #263

I thought i was being obvious... grok Jun 2013 #264

Because stalkers or creeps are usually scared off easily. Boudica the Lyoness Jun 2013 #280

Sorry, I don't buy that for a minute. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #283

I like her. She's obviously not going to take crap from that horrid defence attorney. applegrove Jun 2013 #265

The defense crushed her credibility hack89 Jun 2013 #271

What a bullsh*t accounting. Given Brietbart is on their arthritisR_US Jun 2013 #274

So you have a transcript that says something different? hack89 Jun 2013 #276

There's very little transcript in your link Just Saying Jun 2013 #278

The inference is that the state influenced her to get the statement they wanted hack89 Jun 2013 #279

I have no idea. Just Saying Jun 2013 #281

When you have other prosecution witnesses confirming Zimmerman's account hack89 Jun 2013 #282

In the end... atreides1 Jun 2013 #277