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68. He wouldn't have followed Trayvon if he didn't have his little gun.

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Fri Jun 28, 2013, 01:26 PM

Jun 2013

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No denying that. Some gun lovers will not address this question and slam DU with clever pro Zimmerman posts.

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Raise your hand if you want to see Zimmerman acquitted. [View all] trumad Jun 2013 OP

First of all, it's 'acquitted" B2G Jun 2013 #1

So, you think justice is Zimmerman being found not guilty of any crime here? Come out and say it nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #46

Why don't you just come out and say B2G Jun 2013 #55

I want him convicted because the evidence shows he killed a human being geek tragedy Jun 2013 #60

Well if it's OK with you, B2G Jun 2013 #66

Do you dispute that he killed Martin or that he geek tragedy Jun 2013 #71

I don't dispute he killed him B2G Jun 2013 #73

If Zimmerman hadn't followed Martin, would there have been a confrontation? nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #77

That does not mean it was murder. You know that, B2G Jun 2013 #84

Murder or manslaughter, depending on the circumstances. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #87

You can't see a valid SD claim, even a far fetched one? Recursion Jun 2013 #91

You can't start a fight and then shoot someone if you get the worst of it. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #93

two things Recursion Jun 2013 #95

Relevant Florida statute here: geek tragedy Jun 2013 #100

Good call, thanks. Recursion Jun 2013 #105

No one's going to hear any testimony that he tried to escape. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #114

you should really be ashamed of yourself CatWoman Jun 2013 #231

I think that's the issue here... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2013 #130

Yes I can justanaverageguy Jul 2013 #244

No. None. aquart Jun 2013 #171

Is it possible for the charge to be reduced by the jury? Renew Deal Jun 2013 #155

Lesser-included offense is an option. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #159

It depends upon the judge's jury instructions, premium Jun 2013 #160

I hope that happens Renew Deal Jun 2013 #161

So be it premium Jun 2013 #166

Mob rule! Renew Deal Jun 2013 #184

2nd degree murder is--I believe--supported by the evidence. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #176

Every jury I've ever been on has made up their minds well in advance of the end of the trial. alarimer Jun 2013 #190

drama much? Boom Sound 416 Jun 2013 #186

Agreed! It should be Trayvon who had the right to "stand his ground". DrewFlorida Jun 2013 #189

I want to see him convicted of the right crime. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #111

"Anybody who believes this is a clear-cut case one way or the other" +1 Recursion Jun 2013 #147

Who testified Martin was ever on top? aquart Jun 2013 #174

John Good BlueStreak Jun 2013 #181

Martin may not have been "beating" Zimmerman..... chillfactor Jun 2013 #232

Yes, that is possible. But that is not the evidence presented so far. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #235

Picking sides based on race? You mean, the same thing Zimmerman's supporters have done? nomorenomore08 Jun 2013 #221

My hand is down Android3.14 Jun 2013 #2

Martin's parents can always go after Zimmerman in Civil Court. avebury Jun 2013 #3

I don't think they can, premium Jun 2013 #23

OJ was acquitted Just Saying Jun 2013 #43

1) OJ's case was in California Heddi Jun 2013 #47

Do you have a statute to show they can't sue in civil court Just Saying Jun 2013 #51

I can't seem to find it, premium Jun 2013 #75

That was California, premium Jun 2013 #52

Statute? Just Saying Jun 2013 #58

Zimmerman never invoked the Stand Your Ground statute. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #122

That makes no sense jberryhill Jun 2013 #118

See posts #83. & 90. premium Jun 2013 #120

That's dependent on invoking Stand Your Ground jberryhill Jun 2013 #133

Ok, I stand corrected. premium Jun 2013 #138

Yeah, but Zimmy never invoked it. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #137

Successfully invoking Stand Your Ground is a barrier to civil liability DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #131

If he is acquitted via SD... HiddenAgenda63 Jun 2013 #162

I don't believe it works like that DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #195

they can arely staircase Jun 2013 #57

Correct. premium Jun 2013 #83

Well they can only actually sue him for whatever his net worth is tularetom Jun 2013 #99

Yep, premium Jun 2013 #104

They wouldn't bother - Zimmerman doesn't have anything to take csziggy Jun 2013 #153

The statute "stand your ground" is not specific as to when grok Jun 2013 #90

And the irony is that this seems to be a case where that horrible law applies BlueStreak Jun 2013 #146

So you think that if someone starts a fight, and is losing it, truebluegreen Jun 2013 #180

That's exactly what the law says. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #218

I don't care if Martin was kicking his ass. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #223

The defense only has to get one juror who looks at it the way I described. nt BlueStreak Jun 2013 #224

I get that. Doesn't make it right. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #225

They already got a settlement from the HOA's insurance company csziggy Jun 2013 #152

That's an easily winnable case as far as I can tell. Renew Deal Jun 2013 #157

And I could just as easily ask you B2G Jun 2013 #4

He got out his car carrying alsame Jun 2013 #6

And you say that he "stalked" him based on? Recursion Jun 2013 #13

Even GZ admitted that he alsame Jun 2013 #17

I didn't know I wasn't allowed to follow people in the neighborhood I live in Recursion Jun 2013 #18

Do you routinely "follow people around" ? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #22

Me? No. If I did it wouldn't give them the right to attack me (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #24

please stop repeating this outrageous lie noiretextatique Jun 2013 #30

No, it doesn't Recursion Jun 2013 #32

no zimmerman DNA on his hands does mean noiretextatique Jun 2013 #192

Not, it just doesn't. CSI is not real life Recursion Jun 2013 #196

the CSI tech in this case is real life..... chillfactor Jun 2013 #233

I agree but may as well OwnedByCats Jun 2013 #217

But if a person follow strangers there is a good chance one will. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #39

If you, as a stranger, are intentionally following ME around, you better have a fucking badge. phleshdef Jun 2013 #48

+1 JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #154

are you sure you're on the right website? burnodo Jun 2013 #198

Are you? Recursion Jun 2013 #199

a simplistic assessment burnodo Jun 2013 #200

Did Z threaten or attack M? Recursion Jun 2013 #201

I have before, so some dude walking down the alley trying to look through my neighbors fence snooper2 Jun 2013 #67

"Stalked" has a specific legal meaning hack89 Jun 2013 #20

Then you can't claim self-defense RockaFowler Jun 2013 #40

Depends who threw the first punch hack89 Jun 2013 #54

Getting hit doesn't give you the right to shoot your attacker. Just Saying Jun 2013 #63

Here is an eyewitness account of the fight hack89 Jun 2013 #70

And more. ieoeja Jun 2013 #108

Again, your source is biased Just Saying Jun 2013 #109

CNN is biased? nt hack89 Jun 2013 #112

Oops Just Saying Jun 2013 #117

How many times has good changed his story? aquart Jun 2013 #175

When I was on a jury, the judge gave us the "CSI" lecture hack89 Jun 2013 #177

zimmerman's "injuries" could have been caused by the gun recoiling chillfactor Jun 2013 #234

It will be interesting to see what the actual evidence reveals. nt hack89 Jun 2013 #239

Um, yes it does, premium Jun 2013 #96

Um, no it doesn't. Just Saying Jun 2013 #113

Yes it does, premium Jun 2013 #128

Sigh. We can keep doing this. Just Saying Jun 2013 #173

Yes up to a point. Bradical79 Jun 2013 #134

based on the fact that Travyon was where he was supposed to be Skittles Jun 2013 #226

Zimmerman is a murdering scumbag. Period. 99Forever Jun 2013 #230

Exactly. And we all know it PsychoBunny Jun 2013 #98

The evidence. Just Saying Jun 2013 #45

Apparently you are not. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #158

If the law is followed he should be acquitted of the top charge. rug Jun 2013 #5

Because you've heard all the evidence? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #11

The evidence so far does not rebut the presumption of innocence. rug Jun 2013 #15

A kid is dead at his hands Just Saying Jun 2013 #49

the prosecuter has to prove he didnt have the right. nt galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #145

No, positive defenses place a burden on the accused (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #148

you are right, of course. I stand corrected. nt galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #150

It's an affirmative defense that, once established, shifts the burden back to the prosecution. rug Jun 2013 #211

And the prosecutor has to disprove that beyond a reasonable doubt. rug Jun 2013 #210

Okay, sorry. I misunderstood you. Should've kept reading. nomorenomore08 Jun 2013 #238

So manslaughter rather than murder two? nomorenomore08 Jun 2013 #237

There's a difference between what I want to happen and what I think will happen. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #7

Just for the sake of facts, Barney Fife worked for Andy Taylor 'The Shieriff without a gun'. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #78

And Barney kept his bullet in his pocket. johnp3907 Jun 2013 #197

yep. I'm just wondering if they will keep defending Zimmerman when he is found guilty quinnox Jun 2013 #8

What a stupid thing to say. Vattel Jun 2013 #29

what part? quinnox Jun 2013 #34

zimmerman apologists noiretextatique Jun 2013 #37

I'm starting to understand that, but I just wanted to see what he meant by saying what I posted was quinnox Jun 2013 #64

EXACTLY!!! The denial that race had absolutely nothing to do with what happened is them being Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #212

Flamebait anyone? premium Jun 2013 #9

Yeah Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #44

Yep, premium Jun 2013 #136

Well some people had Zimmerman OwnedByCats Jun 2013 #219

Not aquitted, but I have no problem with electocution. William769 Jun 2013 #10

Florida doesn't have a electric chair DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #12

It's an option. Nobody chooses it, though. nyquil_man Jun 2013 #14

I know sparky was retired. William769 Jun 2013 #16

Is that for all 2nd degree murder charges? Pelican Jun 2013 #19

All murder charges. William769 Jun 2013 #25

Hey.. I'm not anti-DP... Pelican Jun 2013 #28

I am retired form the State of Florida Dept of Corrections. William769 Jun 2013 #38

"I'm retired from the Florida Department of Corrections. I have seen some pretty mean people." Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #53

My job description was care, custody & control of the inmate population William769 Jun 2013 #62

And you shouldn't have to apologize, premium Jun 2013 #142

Awfully broad brush there OwnedByCats Jun 2013 #220

No worries and good on ya... Pelican Jun 2013 #107

Yeah-I think Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter in the least. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #31

Yes. William769 Jun 2013 #42

So If a guy comes home and finds his wife in bed with another guy and shoots him DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #61

I stand by what I said murder is murder. William769 Jun 2013 #65

There were 15,000 homicides in the United States last year. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #85

If convicted of murder? Yes. William769 Jun 2013 #89

Still Capital Punishment in Florida...Death by Lethal Injection n/t Fla Dem Jun 2013 #163

I would like an innocent person acquitted of the charges ksoze Jun 2013 #21

Well, he is as entitled to a fair trial just the same as everybody else. That said, I hope that kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #26

I want the Jury to come up with a fair verdict and for those not on the Jury to respect it. 1-Old-Man Jun 2013 #27

Based on the evidence I have seen, he should be acquitted. Vattel Jun 2013 #33

i think he should burn in hell, even if he is acquitted noiretextatique Jun 2013 #35

I have been following the testimony DrDan Jun 2013 #36

Zimmerman deserves life in prison without parole. stevenleser Jun 2013 #41

you rang? hfojvt Jun 2013 #50

Fair enough, but question for you quinnox Jun 2013 #56

I will never get past that fact DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #76

fair enough, I just am finding it odd that the ones I reply too don't want to seem to answer quinnox Jun 2013 #79

I don't see (figuratively speaking) how someone can argue the killing was justified in this instance DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #94

I can understand why one would prefer manslaughter as the charge, but I'm thinking they must have quinnox Jun 2013 #103

Manslaughter is a lesser included charge DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #116

huh, interesting quinnox Jun 2013 #119

Prosecutors routinely overcharge DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #126

I see quinnox Jun 2013 #129

oh thats easy trumad Jun 2013 #139

If the girl hadn't gone to that party and got drunk snooper2 Jun 2013 #82

so in other words, you don't want to answer it either quinnox Jun 2013 #88

You do know you just did that ass backwards? ieoeja Jun 2013 #123

Nicely done, I thought something smelled fishy about that analogy quinnox Jun 2013 #125

except you turned it around as well hfojvt Jun 2013 #208

of course not hfojvt Jun 2013 #92

ok, well to me, it makes a huge difference quinnox Jun 2013 #97

if I was Zimmerman I would feel awful hfojvt Jun 2013 #121

The kids you chased we're actually JoePhilly Jun 2013 #183

Why did he get out of his car, though?? RockaFowler Jun 2013 #144

he got out of the car for an abvious reason hfojvt Jun 2013 #207

The answer is no. Captain Stern Jun 2013 #101

not sure what you are referring to quinnox Jun 2013 #106

just a factual point though hfojvt Jun 2013 #127

My understanding is that Zimmerman was on the way home from Target when he saw Martin. Captain Stern Jun 2013 #135

Why do you believe that Zimmerman followed Martin after he got out of his car? Vattel Jun 2013 #168

Wow. Apophis Jun 2013 #204

My hand's down. Zimmerman's a fucking murderer. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #59

He wouldn't have followed Trayvon if he didn't have his little gun. Kingofalldems Jun 2013 #68

I think he is guilty of manslaughter, but I do want him to get completely off. Why? Peregrine Jun 2013 #69

You want him to get off because of DU? Seriously? Pathwalker Jun 2013 #81

Your post is completely and utterly baseless. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #209

Super smelling (been out on the road all day) flame bait. L0oniX Jun 2013 #72

+1 - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #110

I don't "want" to see Zimmerman acquitted. Captain Stern Jun 2013 #74

Based on what I've seen & read so far, he should be acquitted. hugo_from_TN Jun 2013 #80

I am not sure they have the right charge here. hollysmom Jun 2013 #86

My impression is that 2nd degree is overreach. Prism Jun 2013 #102

Does FL law give the jury any flexibility? Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2013 #132

If the judge allows it Prism Jun 2013 #143

Unless Martin's lawyer is massively incompetent Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2013 #149

I think Good's testimony threw 2nd right out the window. Prism Jun 2013 #151

This is not Martin's lawyer Renew Deal Jun 2013 #165

I am not going to like the verdict PsychoBunny Jun 2013 #115

Based on the train-wreck of a prosecution so far, Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #124

Well, naaman fletcher Jun 2013 #140

I suspect we're being manipulated, trumad. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #141

Of all the postings on this subject that I've read Inkfreak Jun 2013 #203

Fuck no. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #156

Zimmerman belongs in prison. He initiated the confrontation, and killed a kid. RedCappedBandit Jun 2013 #164

Who actually confronted who is stil in question ksoze Jun 2013 #172

I don't, but I wouldn't be surprised Xyzse Jun 2013 #167

If by "not one of them", you mean "several", your prediction was accurate (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #169

Does he actually have supporters? MrSlayer Jun 2013 #170

yep trumad Jun 2013 #179

If you would take time to read instead of just hurling insults BlueStreak Jun 2013 #182

I know that we've had trolls sign on to defend him Renew Deal Jun 2013 #185

He got out of his car with a loaded gun. aquart Jun 2013 #214

Closeted racists and outright racist people hope Zimmerman is acquitted. Apophis Jun 2013 #205

Yeah I realize that. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #206

yes he does, a good number have just recently signed on to DU JI7 Jul 2013 #246

He killed an unarmed kid. He should be put on death row, not acquited. nt brush Jun 2013 #178

Have you seen all of the evidence on both sides? Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #229

Maybe so brush Jun 2013 #240

is he charged with any crime Boom Sound 416 Jun 2013 #187

If he's innocent sure. ileus Jun 2013 #188

I think Zimmerman was definitely at fault and likely instigated physical contact. toddwv Jun 2013 #191

I have an opinion as to Zimmerman's guilt or innocence. I think he's guilty. hamsterjill Jun 2013 #193

"Edited for spelling" Do it again bike man Jun 2013 #194

My "fair trial comment:" I support a fair trial and await its outcome. nt Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #202

Nevermind... madinmaryland Jun 2013 #213

Okay, I'll raise my hand. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #215

HOPE HE GETS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED HERE IN FLORIDA! ChiciB1 Jun 2013 #216

If the state can't prove the case then I hope he is acquitted Township75 Jun 2013 #222

I don't think that it's a question of wanting to see Zimmerman go free. Beacool Jun 2013 #227

This is what I was referring to, The Guardian says it much better. Beacool Jun 2013 #241

He should be convicted or acquitted on the evidence in court. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #228

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #236

Raise your hand if you want Jones back. n/t Orsino Jun 2013 #242

Zimmerman acquittal sister.neurotica Jul 2013 #243

Hello ~ sister.neurotica In_The_Wind Jul 2013 #245

Yes, he should JohnnyBoots Jul 2013 #247