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In reply to the discussion: Isn't it amusing to see all the Obama defenders ignoring the issue of mass surveillance? [View all]morningfog
(18,115 posts)51. There is no such thing. That is a baseless fear mongering hypo.
Nor is there any indication that the current civil rights overreaches here and abroad would prevent a bomb attack, See Boston Marathon.
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Isn't it amusing to see all the Obama defenders ignoring the issue of mass surveillance? [View all]
cali
Jun 2013
OP
Funny, haven't seem you starting or posting much in any threads about anything proactive.
KittyWampus
Jun 2013
#74
So what do you have a problem with in what they are saying? You are willing to give up your liberty
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#132
And how do you know they are "keeping track of ill-wishers and and conspiracies to do our country
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#192
Really? Haven't seem those posts. You make it seem like you've started many OP on them…
KittyWampus
Jun 2013
#72
Why don't you post something on Wyden, Udall and Leahy? Lots has been posted, right here
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#55
Were you around during the Bush years when they were implementing these policies?
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#78
About the only things BHO has done wrong are the continuance of any of junior's initiatives,
indepat
Jun 2013
#100
Sabrina the problem with Bush was that his way was clearly illegal because he was
cstanleytech
Jun 2013
#122
I remember exactly what Bush did. Then they changed the FISA law by adding an amendment
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#128
Oh I was around and I disagree with granting him immunity from it still however
cstanleytech
Jun 2013
#136
No law trumps the Constitution. Not that it hasn't been tried in the past. So I do not accept it as
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#145
Until a court says the law is or was unconstitutional its the law just like how
cstanleytech
Jun 2013
#148
You say, "Until a court ..." If you are a legal expert, where's your legal authority for that?
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#170
Not clear, are you saying you approve of the Bush spy machine currently being used by the government
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#133
Actually the number of posts claiming "hero" and "message, not messenger" have remained
sibelian
Jun 2013
#15
I think it would be better to separate the issue both from Obama and Snowden
Douglas Carpenter
Jun 2013
#6
that irritated me too... I have not been excessively critical of President Obama nor have you -
Douglas Carpenter
Jun 2013
#10
Some say that everthing being done is legal. 18 U.S.C. § 2511 says that it is not.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#67
What probable cause was presented before a court, with evidence of wrong doing to justify the
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#143
Since we are dealing with the particular law the other poster offered, none is needed. It's an
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#144
There is no exception to the 4th Amendment unless there has been some kind of coup.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#146
Since you are not an expert on Constitutional law your opinion on the subject is irrelevant
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#147
I've said the same thing to you under different OPs. It's your opinion that this constitutes
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#163
I don't care who signed off on it. Every respected Civil Liberties Lawyer I know along with
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#164
Did those lawyers who commented see the warrant? I'll be they haven't and are guessing.
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#166
What warrant are you talking about? We all saw the warrant, or what was supposed to be the warrant.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#168
K&R... I think if anyone doubted before how creepy and authoritarian our government has become
woo me with science
Jun 2013
#9
What really gripes me is they wouldn't be doing those things if this were 5 years ago
MotherPetrie
Jun 2013
#20
Isn't it amusing that people don't acknoweldge that President Obama put restrictions in
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#21
Polls show- America is OK with the whole thing. Keeping America safe is the #1 concern of the
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#25
Yep. It's already devolved into that and the 2014 elections haven't even started.
BlueCaliDem
Jun 2013
#75
Good point...It's the Private Contractors who can sell info to whomever they wish to...
KoKo
Jun 2013
#31
Exactly right. Contractors and their employees are in it for the money. There is no way that
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#180
Well there are cops, military and other gov DU members ...and the cult of personallity.
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#42
No doubt there are some issues of concern but thats not a reason to trash the entire system.
DCBob
Jun 2013
#110
Home of the naive huh ...nice modification. Must be just muscial lip service eh?
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#112
Yea well I don't control who is calling what "terrorism". A witch hunt in the USA is not acceptable
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#121
How many "Al-Qaeda" terrorists do you think exist? Are they killing more people than the number of
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#127
The phrase "deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" is the attitude that I would expect of Dick Cheney.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#197
Your town of DC lives by this sort of thing, Bob. You did not 'give' your privacy
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#91
I can assure no one here feels like they are living with a "blankie and warm security milk".
DCBob
Jun 2013
#109
Blame Snowden. Snowden through his drip, drip, drip of leaks puts continuing focus
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#37
I would say that those who don't care about my privacy rights also don't care what happens here.
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#41
"There is no such thing." The Federation of American Scientists disagrees with you.
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#53
That article is explicit in addressing a radiological attack, not a nuclear suitcase bomb.
morningfog
Jun 2013
#73
A dirty bomb with nuclear materials is often referred to as a suitcase bomb. It requires
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#79
There is more to come. No doubt it will include foreign and domestic actions.
morningfog
Jun 2013
#49
Oh yeah, authoritarian goons are hilarious, and it's all a big pile o' laughs
kenny blankenship
Jun 2013
#39
See Jill Simpson's piece attacking the National Security Complex & calling upon POTUS to investigate
Cliff Arnebeck
Jun 2013
#44
But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants is the liberty of
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#46
I'm discouraged by the belief in belief that there is a single definition of liberal or Democratic
loyalsister
Jun 2013
#65
While I strongly support economic justice, an applaud others that do including politicians even when
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#104
SO> you start a thread attacking other DU'ers BUT where's your threads on Feinstein's legislation?
KittyWampus
Jun 2013
#70
do you mean Leahy's legislation? Because Feinstein hasn't introduced any legislation
cali
Jun 2013
#95
Nice to see you have everyone in their proper boxes tied up neatly with a bow.
Buzz Clik
Jun 2013
#80
Actually, it's pretty disturbing; following charismatic leaders while ignoring common sense
Zorra
Jun 2013
#92
They are skipping over denials of blanket surveillance now, and declaring it wise and good.
kenny blankenship
Jun 2013
#97
Who are just as capable of being wrong as anyone else. I've never seen any of those three reference
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#123
I'm rather amused at all of the above ignoring the facts of the situation.
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#115
My "opinions" have multiple fact based sources, sources that you are unable to refute.
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#120
But but but GiGi had a brief dalliance with pornography and "Criticism is Racism!(tm)" nt
DRoseDARs
Jun 2013
#135
Ah, Obama Freedom - That Indescribable Feeling Of Being Coddled In The Warm Glow Of Surveillance
cantbeserious
Jun 2013
#140
What is one supposed to **DO** about the "massive, ever expanding national security state"
CakeGrrl
Jun 2013
#151
I bet the Obama Defenders have been in love with Obama since even before 2008 or at least 2004
AZ Progressive
Jun 2013
#154
You won't get a fact based response. You will either get an ad-hominem response, or ignored. nt
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#200