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In reply to the discussion: Isn't it amusing to see all the Obama defenders ignoring the issue of mass surveillance? [View all]stevenleser
(32,886 posts)166. Did those lawyers who commented see the warrant? I'll be they haven't and are guessing.
So the folks you are trying to cite are guessing at the motives for a warrant they haven't seen and whose arguments in favor they haven't heard.
And their opinion is supposed to be more compelling than the five lawyers whose expertise is national security law and the constitution and the federal judge whose expertise is national security law and the constitution, and these six folks saw the request for the warrant, heard the arguments in favor of it, etc.
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Isn't it amusing to see all the Obama defenders ignoring the issue of mass surveillance? [View all]
cali
Jun 2013
OP
Funny, haven't seem you starting or posting much in any threads about anything proactive.
KittyWampus
Jun 2013
#74
So what do you have a problem with in what they are saying? You are willing to give up your liberty
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#132
And how do you know they are "keeping track of ill-wishers and and conspiracies to do our country
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#192
Really? Haven't seem those posts. You make it seem like you've started many OP on them…
KittyWampus
Jun 2013
#72
Why don't you post something on Wyden, Udall and Leahy? Lots has been posted, right here
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#55
Were you around during the Bush years when they were implementing these policies?
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#78
About the only things BHO has done wrong are the continuance of any of junior's initiatives,
indepat
Jun 2013
#100
Sabrina the problem with Bush was that his way was clearly illegal because he was
cstanleytech
Jun 2013
#122
I remember exactly what Bush did. Then they changed the FISA law by adding an amendment
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#128
Oh I was around and I disagree with granting him immunity from it still however
cstanleytech
Jun 2013
#136
No law trumps the Constitution. Not that it hasn't been tried in the past. So I do not accept it as
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#145
Until a court says the law is or was unconstitutional its the law just like how
cstanleytech
Jun 2013
#148
You say, "Until a court ..." If you are a legal expert, where's your legal authority for that?
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#170
Not clear, are you saying you approve of the Bush spy machine currently being used by the government
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#133
Actually the number of posts claiming "hero" and "message, not messenger" have remained
sibelian
Jun 2013
#15
I think it would be better to separate the issue both from Obama and Snowden
Douglas Carpenter
Jun 2013
#6
that irritated me too... I have not been excessively critical of President Obama nor have you -
Douglas Carpenter
Jun 2013
#10
Some say that everthing being done is legal. 18 U.S.C. § 2511 says that it is not.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#67
What probable cause was presented before a court, with evidence of wrong doing to justify the
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#143
Since we are dealing with the particular law the other poster offered, none is needed. It's an
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#144
There is no exception to the 4th Amendment unless there has been some kind of coup.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#146
Since you are not an expert on Constitutional law your opinion on the subject is irrelevant
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#147
I've said the same thing to you under different OPs. It's your opinion that this constitutes
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#163
I don't care who signed off on it. Every respected Civil Liberties Lawyer I know along with
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#164
Did those lawyers who commented see the warrant? I'll be they haven't and are guessing.
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#166
What warrant are you talking about? We all saw the warrant, or what was supposed to be the warrant.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#168
K&R... I think if anyone doubted before how creepy and authoritarian our government has become
woo me with science
Jun 2013
#9
What really gripes me is they wouldn't be doing those things if this were 5 years ago
MotherPetrie
Jun 2013
#20
Isn't it amusing that people don't acknoweldge that President Obama put restrictions in
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#21
Polls show- America is OK with the whole thing. Keeping America safe is the #1 concern of the
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#25
Yep. It's already devolved into that and the 2014 elections haven't even started.
BlueCaliDem
Jun 2013
#75
Good point...It's the Private Contractors who can sell info to whomever they wish to...
KoKo
Jun 2013
#31
Exactly right. Contractors and their employees are in it for the money. There is no way that
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#180
Well there are cops, military and other gov DU members ...and the cult of personallity.
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#42
No doubt there are some issues of concern but thats not a reason to trash the entire system.
DCBob
Jun 2013
#110
Home of the naive huh ...nice modification. Must be just muscial lip service eh?
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#112
Yea well I don't control who is calling what "terrorism". A witch hunt in the USA is not acceptable
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#121
How many "Al-Qaeda" terrorists do you think exist? Are they killing more people than the number of
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#127
The phrase "deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" is the attitude that I would expect of Dick Cheney.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#197
Your town of DC lives by this sort of thing, Bob. You did not 'give' your privacy
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#91
I can assure no one here feels like they are living with a "blankie and warm security milk".
DCBob
Jun 2013
#109
Blame Snowden. Snowden through his drip, drip, drip of leaks puts continuing focus
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#37
I would say that those who don't care about my privacy rights also don't care what happens here.
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#41
"There is no such thing." The Federation of American Scientists disagrees with you.
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#53
That article is explicit in addressing a radiological attack, not a nuclear suitcase bomb.
morningfog
Jun 2013
#73
A dirty bomb with nuclear materials is often referred to as a suitcase bomb. It requires
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#79
There is more to come. No doubt it will include foreign and domestic actions.
morningfog
Jun 2013
#49
Oh yeah, authoritarian goons are hilarious, and it's all a big pile o' laughs
kenny blankenship
Jun 2013
#39
See Jill Simpson's piece attacking the National Security Complex & calling upon POTUS to investigate
Cliff Arnebeck
Jun 2013
#44
But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants is the liberty of
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#46
I'm discouraged by the belief in belief that there is a single definition of liberal or Democratic
loyalsister
Jun 2013
#65
While I strongly support economic justice, an applaud others that do including politicians even when
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#104
SO> you start a thread attacking other DU'ers BUT where's your threads on Feinstein's legislation?
KittyWampus
Jun 2013
#70
do you mean Leahy's legislation? Because Feinstein hasn't introduced any legislation
cali
Jun 2013
#95
Nice to see you have everyone in their proper boxes tied up neatly with a bow.
Buzz Clik
Jun 2013
#80
Actually, it's pretty disturbing; following charismatic leaders while ignoring common sense
Zorra
Jun 2013
#92
They are skipping over denials of blanket surveillance now, and declaring it wise and good.
kenny blankenship
Jun 2013
#97
Who are just as capable of being wrong as anyone else. I've never seen any of those three reference
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#123
I'm rather amused at all of the above ignoring the facts of the situation.
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#115
My "opinions" have multiple fact based sources, sources that you are unable to refute.
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#120
But but but GiGi had a brief dalliance with pornography and "Criticism is Racism!(tm)" nt
DRoseDARs
Jun 2013
#135
Ah, Obama Freedom - That Indescribable Feeling Of Being Coddled In The Warm Glow Of Surveillance
cantbeserious
Jun 2013
#140
What is one supposed to **DO** about the "massive, ever expanding national security state"
CakeGrrl
Jun 2013
#151
I bet the Obama Defenders have been in love with Obama since even before 2008 or at least 2004
AZ Progressive
Jun 2013
#154
You won't get a fact based response. You will either get an ad-hominem response, or ignored. nt
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#200