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pintobean

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122. Back that up.

Tue Jul 2, 2013, 07:39 AM

Jul 2013

I watched the whole thing and never heard Serino say anything close to him thinking Zimmerman was guilty. In fact, he said several times that he thought Zimmerman was being truthful.

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George Zimmerman "testified" in his Second Degree Murder trial today. He won't have to again. [View all] cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 OP

They overcharged. Stupid. dkf Jul 2013 #1

I totally agree. The MOMENT he pulled the trigger it was manslaughter. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #2

Public pressure, not facts of the case drove this prosecution.. pipoman Jul 2013 #3

PUBLIC PRESSURE FOR JUSTICE Skittles Jul 2013 #96

RIGHT pipoman Jul 2013 #100

no Skittles Jul 2013 #101

Rants work on the DU.. pipoman Jul 2013 #106

I often wonder... Scootaloo Jul 2013 #108

Zimmerman is a gun-humping vigilante COWARD Skittles Jul 2013 #111

23 million in secret payouts to dozens of overnight "houseguests"... TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #120

people go after people with money Skittles Jul 2013 #144

Show me another celebrity with a REMOTELY SIMILAR history... TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #148

show me another celebrity with a REMOTELY SIMILAR upbringing Skittles Jul 2013 #149

Not many children of celebrity suffer a NORMAL upbringing. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #150

er........what? Skittles Jul 2013 #152

Skittles, I totally agree with you about MJ......... TheDebbieDee Jul 2013 #153

thank you Skittles Jul 2013 #154

And FAMOUS people with "issues" are given free passes... TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #155

Famous people with power and money don't get a free pass............ TheDebbieDee Jul 2013 #157

I'm talking of the millions of fans who deny the evidence. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #158

I think that coward may very well walk Skittles Jul 2013 #109

Lesser included dpibel Jul 2013 #11

You can't make both arguments at once. A second degree closing won't be the right one to get dkf Jul 2013 #16

Then those instructions must all be wrong dpibel Jul 2013 #18

Sure you can. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #125

Actually YES it can....I was on a jury for a murder trial. The accused was charged with first degree VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #146

I think it is. I think I found a chart saying that manslaughter is JDPriestly Jul 2013 #114

Manslaughter is on the table. If the jury finds him guilty of manslaughter he'll get 30 years. nt Tx4obama Jul 2013 #22

I read that for aggravated manslaughter of a child, involving a gun, Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #102

They said on TV tonight 30 years, so that's all I know. Tx4obama Jul 2013 #107

How does a self defense plea work against one charge but not the other? JVS Jul 2013 #112

Self defense does work for either. dkf Jul 2013 #128

He is charged with manslaughter. Lesser included charge. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #124

AGAIN? demwing Jul 2013 #127

You really do not understand what my point is at all. dkf Jul 2013 #130

The state must have known Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #4

Don't be stupid. SYG was taken off the table a long time ago by Z's lawyers. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #5

Stupid? Lex Jul 2013 #6

Easy writer Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #7

That's a pretty cynical view if you ask me; the State giving up a life for a "loftier" goal. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #8

post edited/updated Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #9

I thought as much... but my opinion stands: This isn't about SYG nor were the charges. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #12

The state responded to the pressure of the people Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #14

Wouldn't that mean redefining self defense? Is that what you want? dkf Jul 2013 #17

I think thats the headline of the fix Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #23

What does it matter how long it took to charge? Isn't it more important to get it right? dkf Jul 2013 #30

Of course Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #38

If he isn't convicted maybe that was the right call. dkf Jul 2013 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author dpibel Jul 2013 #55

The NSA defines that as 51% so a coin flip plus one, not all that high a bar. dkf Jul 2013 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author dpibel Jul 2013 #74

The injuries, and his statement that he was afraid TM would go after his gun seem enough to me. dkf Jul 2013 #78

You're fading a bit dpibel Jul 2013 #83

If he was afraid for his life he could have gotten off of Martin and taken a hike lumpy Jul 2013 #98

I personally think Zimmerman is guilty of Murder 2, but he gets the JDPriestly Jul 2013 #115

it was TRAYVON who was STANDING HIS GROUND Skittles Jul 2013 #103

He was not indicted by a grand jury pintobean Jul 2013 #133

I stand corrected Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #138

You throw out that word "stupid" as if you knew what it meant demwing Jul 2013 #131

then clearly you missed all the numerous inconsistencies and lies TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #10

Apparently, so did the first interviewer and the Lead Detective. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #15

well, let's start with Z's re-enactment TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #116

this is a great post and i think you should start a thread on it JI7 Jul 2013 #117

I pray to God you are either Bernie De La Ronda or John Guy and you use this in your closing. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #126

You can send something to them? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #147

Wish this was a OP so I could rec it. Little Star Jul 2013 #132

Wish I was following the trial like others up here Roland99 Jul 2013 #134

No forensic evidence of injuries to Martin except that he was shot dead by Zimmerman. yardwork Jul 2013 #151

this was great NatBurner Jul 2013 #137

Torch the Witch I hope the jury gets it.. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #142

This case has had its highs & lows giftedgirl77 Jul 2013 #13

I guess you missed the part of the testimony where the first officer on the scene described Z's cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #19

Have you seen the photos? giftedgirl77 Jul 2013 #139

That's not what the first interviewing officer said premium Jul 2013 #141

I'm not disputing that, giftedgirl77 Jul 2013 #145

Ummm, GZ's clothes were not pristine, premium Jul 2013 #20

All it proves it that they were both rolling around on the ground before Zimmerman shot Trayvon Tx4obama Jul 2013 #26

And I was just correcting the poster that his premium Jul 2013 #27

No you weren't. You were also drawing conclusions. uppityperson Jul 2013 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author premium Jul 2013 #51

No, I'll just quote your conclusion "indicating that he was on his back struggling." uppityperson Jul 2013 #54

Hahahahahaha, premium Jul 2013 #57

In which case I was mistaken. He drew a conclusion and I was wrong in saying it was you. They way uppityperson Jul 2013 #59

I accept it, premium Jul 2013 #66

I've been wrong before, will be so again. Thanks. ETA, won't slink off uppityperson Jul 2013 #67

Yeh, and the first intervening officers were ready to shoot Trayvon who was aready Hoyt Jul 2013 #48

I said interviewing officer, not intervening officer. nt. premium Jul 2013 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author giftedgirl77 Jul 2013 #140

Zimmerman has NOT testified UNDER OATH in a court of law. Tx4obama Jul 2013 #21

He already buried himself. Rex Jul 2013 #24

He buried himself, premium Jul 2013 #29

No much earlier, not today. Rex Jul 2013 #33

So far, the prosecutions witness' are helping the defense premium Jul 2013 #37

Manslaughter still on the table, could get 30 years. Rex Jul 2013 #39

Yep, premium Jul 2013 #40

he is a COWARD - he won't testify Skittles Jul 2013 #105

Nor does he have to. He did, however testify today, without significant inconsistencies. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #25

But you are not using the LEGAL definition of the word 'testify' Tx4obama Jul 2013 #28

You might consider quotes around "testify" jberryhill Jul 2013 #31

As per usual, you are correct. Edit made. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #36

Your point is valid jberryhill Jul 2013 #47

Would it be possible before the jury is dismissed to deliberate pnwmom Jul 2013 #68

Beats me jberryhill Jul 2013 #70

Do you know of any state where it would be possible? I was following pnwmom Jul 2013 #72

All I know is... jberryhill Jul 2013 #80

You think the dying black youth said, "Oh, gosh, you me you got me"? pnwmom Jul 2013 #32

You think you can put words into my mouth? Gee whiz, really? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #34

I'm not putting words into your mouth. You said he didn't say anything to indicate pnwmom Jul 2013 #35

I don't know what the dying black youth said. Nor do you. Is it possible he said "You SHOT me"? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #43

But things would have been much clearer for Zimmerman because he wasn't drunk or stoned. pnwmom Jul 2013 #46

So you are saying that what Zimmy "testified" to today was not really what happened? uppityperson Jul 2013 #49

I'm saying he may have "misunderHEARD" given the gravity of the moment and adrenaline. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #58

He misheard "oh gosh, you got me" and testified that is what he heard? Any possibility he is not uppityperson Jul 2013 #62

Are you for real? Llewlladdwr Jul 2013 #99

Well, that is the first time I've read that is what he said and while that makes more uppityperson Jul 2013 #110

If there's reasonable doubt, and there might be, it's because the police pnwmom Jul 2013 #63

The question isn't whether or not Zimmerman KILLED Trayvon. We know he did. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #69

We agree that manslaughter would have been the better charge. pnwmom Jul 2013 #71

He's guilty of manslaughter and I will clap with glee if that's what he's convicted of. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #76

Zimmerman dug his own grave. Rex Jul 2013 #45

It takes about 15-45 seconds to die from being shot in the heart. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #53

The language. Have you heard a Teen say "oh gosh" any time recently? In the 21st century? uppityperson Jul 2013 #56

How about "Rather LAST BREATH"? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #60

Trayvon said "last breath, you got me"? What? How about "let's splash, you are all wet"? uppityperson Jul 2013 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #73

Excuse me but Mr. Uppity is NOT stupid. eom uppityperson Jul 2013 #75

I apologize. That came across WAAY more sarcastic than I meant it. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #77

Thank you. uppityperson Jul 2013 #91

Zimmerman must be a fan of the movie Used Cars ... ThePhilosopher04 Jul 2013 #94

Humans are not deer or elk and no way can they run 100yards. lumpy Jul 2013 #89

The bullet entrance wound should indicate whether the bullet entered lumpy Jul 2013 #81

I didn't realize there was even still any question about this. Captain Stern Jul 2013 #123

Downthread he says TM said "rather last breath, you got me". Golly jeepers! uppityperson Jul 2013 #65

not even REMOTELY believable Skittles Jul 2013 #79

There is so much wrong in Zimmerman's statements of what happened lumpy Jul 2013 #85

I have to tell you lumpy Skittles Jul 2013 #86

Yes, personally I believe it didn't go down the way Zimmerman painted it. lumpy Jul 2013 #93

He will be found innocent, hopefully the verdict will be respected.. ram2008 Jul 2013 #41

You mean like the Diallo verdict? King? Bell? Zongo? Chamberlain? BklnDem75 Jul 2013 #143

Last questions from the day's testimony Azathoth Jul 2013 #44

Interesting the part of O'Mara's question you left out Just Saying Jul 2013 #84

Interesting you didn't feel the need to include the part of the transcript Azathoth Jul 2013 #87

Nice try Just Saying Jul 2013 #88

I don't think most jurors would have a hard time figuring out how to take his response Azathoth Jul 2013 #92

Thank you, premium Jul 2013 #90

Perhaps that was because they might be covering up their asses because lumpy Jul 2013 #95

Your editing of the transcript did very much so, shift the meaning graham4anything Jul 2013 #113

huh? naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #118

Yes, I saw it. 100% zimmerman guilty and Serano thought so. Zimmy is a pathelogical liar imho graham4anything Jul 2013 #119

Back that up. pintobean Jul 2013 #122

he qualified it with saying "if you don't believe he is a liar" well, zimmy lied and Trayvon died. graham4anything Jul 2013 #135

Get it right. premium Jul 2013 #136

Serino never said he thought Zimmerman was guilty, premium Jul 2013 #129

Defense Will Have To Overcome ... ThePhilosopher04 Jul 2013 #82

If the jury is awake, thinking and listening perhaps it can be helpful that lumpy Jul 2013 #97

YOU KNOW IT, PHILOSOPHER Skittles Jul 2013 #104

Serino nailed him -- "What's behind that?" "That's not fear." KurtNYC Jul 2013 #121

cause he's a fucking idiot CatWoman Jul 2013 #156