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TheJames

(120 posts)
88. In 1968, I quit the Air Force, after
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:39 PM
Jul 2013

having figured out, and thought deeply about why we were in that "war". I had, some months previously, noticed the C-4's parked off to the side on the flight line at Clark AB, where I was stationed. I found out that these were "special flights". They contained coffins. Going "in theater", they were stacked on pallets. Coming "out of theater", they were on racks, so as not to have coffins stacked. I made an appointment with my Commander and told him in no uncertain term that I was no longer willing to assist them in pursuing this war. We talked for about an hour and a half about personal responsibility and choice. Lucky for me, there was a reduction in force going on, and rather than bother with me, he just put me out, "General Discharge, at the convenience of the military".
And, yeah, I didn't think too deeply about war at my previous duty station, Hickam AFB, hard by Pearl Harbor. Hawaii can be so distracting to a 20 year old, raised in the country in rural Louisiana.
It can take awhile to "get your head", as we used to say in the '60's.
Then ensued long talks with my Dad. "What if everyone felt like you? The Russians would be over here in a week," he asked. My reply? "Dad, if everyone felt that way, that would include the Russians and there would be no one to "come over here".

I hope he is just the first of a cascading number. Good for you, Brandon! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2013 #1
Me too! ‘Sometime they’ll give a war and nobody will come.’ Catherina Jul 2013 #3
No wonder Hoover had him under survelliance. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #16
Albert should have stayed in Germany to "face the music". Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #49
Nonsense. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2013 #95
k+r ..nt TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #25
Rec AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #61
He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. dkf Jul 2013 #77
me too. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #57
he's not gonna be the first hfojvt Jul 2013 #119
Where is the transparency we were promised? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #2
It's so invisible we can't see it Catherina Jul 2013 #6
Unfortunately... 99Forever Jul 2013 #98
What is he going to be arrested for and charged with down the line? Cleita Jul 2013 #4
Quitting like this will surely have it's "consequences" 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #9
Why would you pray for something like THAT! snooper2 Jul 2013 #14
You are too funny. 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #18
Angles yesphan Jul 2013 #54
Wow!! Drip, drip, drip ... 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #5
Indeed. nt woo me with science Jul 2013 #126
Kick newfie11 Jul 2013 #7
I hope he's the first in a long parade to follow. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #8
Very important. We wish him the best. byeya Jul 2013 #10
TO THE GREATEST PAGE. woo me with science Jul 2013 #11
So since this was posted twice, does it count as 2 now? snooper2 Jul 2013 #12
Lots of duplicate posts in GD. Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #112
Hold it, I was told it was just ...(insert character assassination method here) nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #13
In my dreams the Pentagon, DOD budget is slashed in half.today. Forced to roll themself back. Sunlei Jul 2013 #15
They will just increase the R&D budget dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #17
Charlie Rose had a journalist on, the week of June 11th '13 truedelphi Jul 2013 #59
Di has become a menace to our American society. Hutzpa Jul 2013 #96
Wait, ProSense Jul 2013 #19
Because he clearly hates Obama and just wants to embarass him NuclearDem Jul 2013 #20
No, I think he was asleep during the Bush Presidency. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #22
Of course! After all, servicemen who enlisted and fought under the Bush Presidency NuclearDem Jul 2013 #23
Again, I wonder what took him so long? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #24
Yeah, what took that guy so long? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #37
Through illegal spying, the Iraq war, Blackwater, Halliburton, torture...nothing. ProSense Jul 2013 #40
He just wanted to piss you off. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #43
Oh, he can't "piss" me off. I just want to know what took so long? ProSense Jul 2013 #44
I know, right? Why doesn't outprocessing someone with a security clearance happen instantly? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #48
Do you know if he still works for General Dynamics Land Systems? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #51
Oh dear LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #67
Faster than most zipplewrath Jul 2013 #50
Yep, character assassination in full swing now, I see. Th1onein Jul 2013 #102
What took YOU so long to see the damn light? Get off the tertiary questions and deal with the chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #108
This is like Republicans complaining that Ellsberg waited to embarrass a Republican deurbano Jul 2013 #46
None of which were important enough to prosecute. JoeyT Jul 2013 #83
Maybe he was looking forward like Obama. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #107
Is that your most trenchant question here? Really? Eyes on the Prize... chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #100
Have you ever heard the parable of the prodigal son? zeemike Jul 2013 #39
Maybe he had to wait to get enough Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #26
Why did Paul take so many steps on the Road to Damascus? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #31
+1 Hissyspit Jul 2013 #101
+2 L0oniX Jul 2013 #117
"Recent Revelations" ... about stuff we already knew years ago. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #35
Fagitaboutit, ProSense Jack Rabbit Jul 2013 #89
So he's quitting a job? 7962 Jul 2013 #90
Nice threadjack. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #110
Happy to K&R and return later to read the links. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #21
K&R. Better late than never. forestpath Jul 2013 #27
True Courage BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #28
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #29
The size and scope of the US military is completely unjustified. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #30
So he was fine with it for 10 years? Slow learner, no doubt frazzled Jul 2013 #32
Daniel Ellsberg had an epiphany. (And it took him a few years to get to that point.) deurbano Jul 2013 #97
+1000...He's definitely been around long enough to know Abu Ghraib, Haditha, etc... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #120
Good show Savannahmann Jul 2013 #33
K&R raouldukelives Jul 2013 #34
got heaven05 Jul 2013 #36
What did he resign from? Blurb says "Brandon Toy works for US defense contractor General Dynamics" struggle4progress Jul 2013 #38
I had the same thought. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #41
yes, it's confusing, even in the article he says he is currently a defense contractor JI7 Jul 2013 #75
I dont think you did. I think he just quit a job. 7962 Jul 2013 #91
Catherina! You shocked me! temmer Jul 2013 #42
Lol no. You're stuck with me for a while my friend Catherina Jul 2013 #52
Ain't Gonna Study War No More starroute Jul 2013 #45
Thank you! I love that old spiritual Catherina Jul 2013 #53
Indeed. CanSocDem Jul 2013 #114
Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #113
Excellent, but as long as the assholes own the media and govt and can brainwash valerief Jul 2013 #47
Slight quibble zipplewrath Jul 2013 #55
Defense is fine dreamnightwind Jul 2013 #74
Very true zipplewrath Jul 2013 #129
This man has my deep respect. May there be many more like him. jwirr Jul 2013 #56
Wow and more wow. Thanks for bringing this article here, Catherina. n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #58
Catherina, you are brave and Duval Jul 2013 #60
Catherina, thanks for your post re: Mr. Toy. Duval Jul 2013 #62
well done. blackspade Jul 2013 #63
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #64
Proud of Mr. Toy for calling in well nt PufPuf23 Jul 2013 #65
Throw 'em down. Throw them ALL down! ReRe Jul 2013 #66
K&R DeSwiss Jul 2013 #68
True, but no one wants to hear that. We're supposed to be looking forward as hard as we can. xocet Jul 2013 #81
Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #69
K&R - Received this in email yesterday, posted the link on Facebook Raksha Jul 2013 #70
K&R NealK Jul 2013 #71
Stop watching us... matthews Jul 2013 #72
Catherina, Brandon Toy, if not a "plant" (sorry, I've become a cynic), is committing career saidsimplesimon Jul 2013 #73
Brandon Toy's LinkedIn page FarCenter Jul 2013 #104
So he didn't resign? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #105
If he did, he hasn't updated LinkedIn yet? FarCenter Jul 2013 #106
I think you got it right. ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #128
I had an engineering professor who quit an MIC job like that. hunter Jul 2013 #76
Thank You Very Much For Sharing - Your Efforts Are Greatly Appreciated cantbeserious Jul 2013 #78
Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #79
Wow.... defacto7 Jul 2013 #80
K&R. pacalo Jul 2013 #82
"Recent revelations" great white snark Jul 2013 #84
Brave man, indeed. Octafish Jul 2013 #85
Solidarity, brother. nt TBF Jul 2013 #86
lots of bravado rhetoric in there. from what did he resign? pasto76 Jul 2013 #87
In 1968, I quit the Air Force, after TheJames Jul 2013 #88
"We have become what I thought we were fighting against." Martin Eden Jul 2013 #92
Thanks for posting 2naSalit Jul 2013 #93
Little drops of water makes a mighty ocean Hutzpa Jul 2013 #94
Bravo Brandon Toy. 99Forever Jul 2013 #99
K&R'd & bookmarked. snot Jul 2013 #103
K&R DemocratForJustice Jul 2013 #109
"the true insanity is doing nothing." Hotler Jul 2013 #111
I followed a similar path noamnety Jul 2013 #115
Thanks for posting this navarth Jul 2013 #116
I think the days of military overspending are over markiv Jul 2013 #118
Ah ha! NuclearDem Jul 2013 #121
Please don't think I'm crazy...even though chances are good I am DissidentVoice Jul 2013 #122
You're not crazy at all. Nature gave us a conscience for a reason Catherina Jul 2013 #125
Thank you...just conflicted DissidentVoice Jul 2013 #127
Good, we need more conscientious objectors felix_numinous Jul 2013 #123
Congrats and Welcome to the Revolution! But don't be so hard on yourself... B Stieg Jul 2013 #124
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