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In reply to the discussion: College Professors Are About to Get Really Mad at President Obama [View all]BadgerKid
(4,635 posts)47. There have been inroads into computerized testing.
Think of computer-graded essays and difficulty-adjustable multiple choice questions.
But there's definitely things students learn in real classrooms vs. virtual classrooms. I suppose there's a possibility employers might have a preference in terms of "real" vs. "virtual" degrees.
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It's only a historical accident that has research done at universities subsidized by students
Recursion
Jul 2013
#10
Because it is broke. Or, more to the point, it's making students and their families go broke.
Recursion
Jul 2013
#35
You know what, if you can't live a modest living on a PH.D. after teaching for eighteen years then
nebenaube
Jul 2013
#63
A university is primarily invested in research. It's secondary mission is education.
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#81
*some* universities. others aren't research institutions, primarily. units of higher education
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#91
to an equally substantive, cogent comment. chait has no 'argument'. he has only an opinion,
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#146
It does require a practitioner community. It doesn't require being in the same room as them.
Recursion
Jul 2013
#152
you don't even understand what practitioner community means. students are part of that
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#201
And we should get rid of mechanical wheat-threshers, too. All those farmhands lost their jobs (nt)
Recursion
Jul 2013
#4
such a stupid comment. the professed point of freeing people from manual labor was so they
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#79
yes, job training is indeed one of the purposes of higher education, and always has been.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#149
"the original purpose was religious" is a vague statement that obscures the reality; it was the
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#154
As if critical thinking isn't low enough in this country. Lets lower the bar some more. nt
adirondacker
Jul 2013
#8
I went to a state liberal arts college where seminar/debate was a mandatory part of
adirondacker
Jul 2013
#17
I actually think smaller colleges are part of the solution. There should be no reason
adirondacker
Jul 2013
#36
I got a degree because I wanted to learn what I learned. People shouldn't need a degree to get a job
Recursion
Jul 2013
#37
I think that diminshes what a degree actually is supposed to represent. I know plenty of good test
adirondacker
Jul 2013
#42
I agree with where you went with that, but what happened with vocational training? Don't they
adirondacker
Jul 2013
#48
oh, they'll still pay plenty. the only difference will be that they'll pay it to the gates-google-
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#77
"The first five"? MIT offers every course in its UG catalog for free right now. (nt)
Recursion
Jul 2013
#164
there is no degree, and no credit. if you want credit a/o a degree you will pay. it will never
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#167
show me where mit is going to make their degrees free. show me where they are offering free
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#171
If OCW becomes accredited, the whole artificial scarcity of credits goes out the window.
joshcryer
Jul 2013
#180
if it's so 'explicit,' where is the explicit statement, recursion? quit blowing smoke. your links
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#187
Are you joking? Face to face courses are the last bastion of proper education.
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#83
The reason that college tuition has risen is NOT instructional costs. It is primarily three things:
leveymg
Jul 2013
#13
It's actually a similar problem to housing - declining interest rates have inflated prices.
reformist2
Jul 2013
#18
Hell yes. I brought my pool noodle every Saturday and floated while pondering stochastic processes
Recursion
Jul 2013
#27
Too funny. Maybe the colleges of the future will have waterslides and rollercoasters.
reformist2
Jul 2013
#34
bullshit. what part of the payroll, recursion? high-paid useless administrators.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#85
And they build waterslides and lazy rivers and alumni houses and football stadiums
Recursion
Jul 2013
#156
yes, the useless administrators do indeed build waterslides, and they do it *in order to*
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#159
doubtful since most of those large lecture classes were taught by the grad students who also
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#92
I also think some people, no matter how much school, just can't code a lick. Either because....
Logical
Jul 2013
#39
I agree with Chait that a MOOC isn't particularly different from a large lecture session
Recursion
Jul 2013
#33
"those ridiculous online training activities that are common in the corporate and academic world"
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#87
While I question his motivation, he is absolutely correct. The author of this piece fails to
Egalitarian Thug
Jul 2013
#41
if it's needless, then we don't need moocs either. if qualification inflation is the real problem,
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#93
i'm not the one who brought up 'needless' degrees, you did. so in fact it's you doing any
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#161
we can outsource obama's job and save millions as well. or any president for that matter nt
msongs
Jul 2013
#49
no more likely to watch something less rigorous. college is not a video game.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#95
You remove the necessary intellectual challenge of true education with this technique.
Pholus
Jul 2013
#135
It's basically DIY education. If that's what they're offering, tuition ought to be $300 a year.
reformist2
Jul 2013
#196
the object is to eliminate real college for a large part of the population. any claim that moocs
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#94
Going forward we should subsidize the education so this expense is not there - like other countries
on point
Jul 2013
#103
i doubt that one has thought of them at all. the point is to support the administration.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#96
The federal government needs to man up and spend the freakin money to fund education.
liberal_at_heart
Jul 2013
#64
Thank you. This is one of the biggest problems with our education system right now.
liberal_at_heart
Jul 2013
#68
you are not the only one who is old fashioned. There are many of us who want the government to
liberal_at_heart
Jul 2013
#71
I took a couple of online courses. I read some and took a few multiple choice tests. That was the
liberal_at_heart
Jul 2013
#72
Online classes should definitely be an option and they are. I'm glad you have the option and
liberal_at_heart
Jul 2013
#76
Then you didn't engage with the course. Don't feel bad; plenty of students don't engage in person
Recursion
Jul 2013
#160
the research also shows that the overwhelming majority of people who start moocs never go
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#221
Tuition has increased because universities have seen massive cuts in public funding.
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#84
Online education should offer students the same opportunities as personal education.
alp227
Jul 2013
#97
Let's just computerize everything and get rid of those pesky people.
highprincipleswork
Jul 2013
#98
There are many ways to gauge agency and level of education is one of them.
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#105
Obtaining a PhD in physics is a legitimation of your knowledge of physics.
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#108
So it seems your goal is simply to reduce the overall level of education...
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#112
If student learning subsidizes degree programs, there's something wrong with that.
joshcryer
Jul 2013
#113
Higher education should be free to anyone who wants to do the work required to get the degree.
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#114
Well, there you go, more useless parasites will be losing their worthless positions
Fumesucker
Jul 2013
#109
At this juncture you think actual facts have anything to do with political decisions?
Fumesucker
Jul 2013
#115
The people pay attention to what the media point at as the next shiny object du jour
Fumesucker
Jul 2013
#124
Next thing you know Obama will be looking under the Oval Office rug for the 90% failures
Fumesucker
Jul 2013
#126
I don't disagree with that, I think a lot of people just aren't interested though
Fumesucker
Jul 2013
#133
what we're actually witnessing is the death of journalism & scholarship, and their replacement
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#136
Do you have more or less access to good reporting now than you did 15 years ago?
Recursion
Jul 2013
#174
that depends on what you label as 'reporting' & as 'access'. every capitalist restructuring
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#184
oh you individual you. and that's all that really matters, isn't it? that individuals like you
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#193
for the old gatekeepers, new ones, and fewer of them. except that they're pretty much the
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#197
yes, they took a cut of sales, in other words you paid amazon. so how big was their cut,
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#200