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(118,281 posts)At a talk given the day after the 2010 election one that was a disaster for Democrats progressive writer and civil liberties lawyer Glenn Greenwald gave a talk at the University of Wisconsin, and expressed the hope that Democrats might suffer the same fate in 2012 ... But it was Greenwalds notion of third party voting that offered the greatest window in what hed like to see happen in American elections ... If all you ever do is complain about how horrible and abysmal the Democrats are, but at the end of the day, right before the election happens, you say, you know what, as much as I loathe you, and as disappointing as youve been, and as horrible as the things you have done, Im going to give you my support because youve scared me that the other alternative is just a little bit worse
and therefore since Ill never vote Republican, you have my unconditional undying support no matter how much how stmp on my values, no matter how horrible the things that you do
what youre doing is youre guaranteeing that youll always be ignored ... And the only way to break that is to say well, even though I know that by abstaining or supporting a third party, Im going to be sacrificing some of my short term political interests; Im going to be causing a few more Republicans to be elected than otherwise might be elected; on balance, Im willing to sacrifice my short term interests in order to do something to subvert the stranglehold that these two parties have on the political process because electing more Democrats, even though its a little less scary, accomplishes nothing good. And everyones going to have to decide for themselves when they get to that point, and I think and hope that that point is pretty close. And if Obama does move to the center as the consensus is telling him that he should and starts doing things like cutting Social Security, which theyre revving up to do if they can get consensus on, in a very short period of time, I think youre gonna see lots and lots of progressives and Democrats even people who hated the Naderites for abandoning the party, start to entertain those options, and a lot sooner rather than later. And I hope thats the case ...
Re-rise of the Naderites: Glenn Greenwalds third party dreamin **UPDATE: on Libertarianism
Posted on April 22, 2011 by jreid
http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/04/re-rise-of-the-naderites-glenn-greenwalds-third-party-dreamin/
One of the worst myths Democratic partisans love to tell themselves - and everyone else - is that the GOP refuses to support President Obama no matter what he does ...
Democratic establishment unmasked: prime defenders of NSA bulk spying
Glenn Greenwald
Thursday 25 July 2013 05.09 EDT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/25/democratic-establishment-nsa
... Republicans have made it clear that erecting hurdles for Mr. Obama is, if anything, their overriding legislative goal. There is no historical precedent for the number of cabinet-level nominees that Republicans have blocked or delayed in the Obama administration. Chuck Hagel became the first defense secretary nominee ever filibustered ...
Editorial
Malicious Obstruction in the Senate
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
Published: March 28, 2013
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/29/opinion/malicious-obstruction-in-the-senate.html
Democrats have rounded on revelations about a private dinner of House Republicans on inauguration day in 2009 in which they plotted a campaign of obstruction against newly installed president Barack Obama. During a lengthy discussion, the senior GOP members worked out a plan to repeatedly block Obama over the coming four years to try to ensure he would not be re-elected ...
Democrats condemn GOP's plot to obstruct Obama as 'appalling and sad'
Roger Draper book details how in 2009 senior Republican figures planned a campaign to bring Washington to a standstill
Ewen MacAskill in Washington
Thursday 26 April 2012 16.21 EDT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/26/democrats-gop-plot-obstruct-obama
... If he was for it, former Ohio Senator George Voinovich explained, we had to be against it ... Vice President Biden told me that during the transition, he was warned not to expect any bipartisan cooperation on major votes. I spoke to seven different Republican Senators who said, Joe, Im not going to be able to help you on anything, he recalled. His informants said McConnell had demanded unified resistance. The way it was characterized to me was, For the next two years, we cant let you succeed in anything. Thats our ticket to coming back, Biden said ... David Obey, then chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, met with his GOP counterpart, Jerry Lewis, to explain what Democrats had in mind for the stimulus and ask what Republicans wanted to include. Jerrys response was, Im sorry, but leadership tells us we cant play, Obey told me. Exact quote: We cant play ...
The Party of No: New Details on the GOP Plot to Obstruct Obama
By Michael Grunwald
Aug. 23, 2012
http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-details-on-the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/