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struggle4progress

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54. It's Greenwald's basic strategy: he beats notes on this drum constantly, regardless of facts
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:19 AM
Jul 2013

At a talk given the day after the 2010 election — one that was a disaster for Democrats — “progressive” writer and civil liberties lawyer Glenn Greenwald gave a talk at the University of Wisconsin, and expressed the hope that Democrats might suffer the same fate in 2012 ... But it was Greenwald’s notion of third party voting that offered the greatest window in what he’d like to see happen in American elections ... If all you ever do is complain about how horrible and abysmal the Democrats are, but at the end of the day, right before the election happens, you say, you know what, as much as I loathe you, and as disappointing as you’ve been, and as horrible as the things you have done, I’m going to give you my support because you’ve scared me that the other alternative is just a little bit worse … and therefore since I’ll never vote Republican, you have my unconditional undying support no matter how much how stmp on my values, no matter how horrible the things that you do … what you’re doing is youre guaranteeing that you’ll always be ignored ... And the only way to break that is to say well, even though I know that by abstaining or supporting a third party, I’m going to be sacrificing some of my short term political interests; I’m going to be causing a few more Republicans to be elected than otherwise might be elected; on balance, I’m willing to sacrifice my short term interests in order to do something to subvert the stranglehold that these two parties have on the political process because electing more Democrats, even though it’s a little less scary, accomplishes nothing good. And everyone’s going to have to decide for themselves when they get to that point, and I think and hope that that point is pretty close. And if Obama does move to the center as the consensus is telling him that he should and starts doing things like cutting Social Security, which they’re revving up to do if they can get consensus on, in a very short period of time, I think you’re gonna see lots and lots of progressives and Democrats – even people who hated the Naderites for abandoning the party, start to entertain those options, and a lot sooner rather than later. And I hope that’s the case ...
Re-rise of the Naderites: Glenn Greenwald’s third party dreamin’ **UPDATE: on Libertarianism
Posted on April 22, 2011 by jreid
http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/04/re-rise-of-the-naderites-glenn-greenwalds-third-party-dreamin/


One of the worst myths Democratic partisans love to tell themselves - and everyone else - is that the GOP refuses to support President Obama no matter what he does ...
Democratic establishment unmasked: prime defenders of NSA bulk spying
Glenn Greenwald
Thursday 25 July 2013 05.09 EDT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/25/democratic-establishment-nsa


... Republicans have made it clear that erecting hurdles for Mr. Obama is, if anything, their overriding legislative goal. There is no historical precedent for the number of cabinet-level nominees that Republicans have blocked or delayed in the Obama administration. Chuck Hagel became the first defense secretary nominee ever filibustered ...
Editorial
Malicious Obstruction in the Senate

By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
Published: March 28, 2013
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/29/opinion/malicious-obstruction-in-the-senate.html

Democrats have rounded on revelations about a private dinner of House Republicans on inauguration day in 2009 in which they plotted a campaign of obstruction against newly installed president Barack Obama. During a lengthy discussion, the senior GOP members worked out a plan to repeatedly block Obama over the coming four years to try to ensure he would not be re-elected ...
Democrats condemn GOP's plot to obstruct Obama as 'appalling and sad'
Roger Draper book details how in 2009 senior Republican figures planned a campaign to bring Washington to a standstill
Ewen MacAskill in Washington
Thursday 26 April 2012 16.21 EDT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/26/democrats-gop-plot-obstruct-obama

... “If he was for it,” former Ohio Senator George Voinovich explained, “we had to be against it” ... Vice President Biden told me that during the transition, he was warned not to expect any bipartisan cooperation on major votes. “I spoke to seven different Republican Senators who said, ‘Joe, I’m not going to be able to help you on anything,’ ” he recalled. His informants said McConnell had demanded unified resistance. “The way it was characterized to me was, ‘For the next two years, we can’t let you succeed in anything. That’s our ticket to coming back,’ ” Biden said ... David Obey, then chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, met with his GOP counterpart, Jerry Lewis, to explain what Democrats had in mind for the stimulus and ask what Republicans wanted to include. “Jerry’s response was, ‘I’m sorry, but leadership tells us we can’t play,’ ” Obey told me. “Exact quote: ‘We can’t play’ ...
The Party of No: New Details on the GOP Plot to Obstruct Obama
By Michael Grunwald
Aug. 23, 2012
http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-details-on-the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/

They are all in it together - well, almost all of them. forestpath Jul 2013 #1
Not all, but most it seems. How depressing to have been so fooled. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #51
kabuki theater at its finest. k and r bbgrunt Jul 2013 #2
Isn't it time to end the charades Washington? think Jul 2013 #3
Can you blame them? RobertEarl Jul 2013 #4
and not just the machines questionseverything Jul 2013 #7
Better not believe it... the counts RobertEarl Jul 2013 #9
Each side will work against any 3rd party. How would a Dem candidate break away from 1%... L0oniX Jul 2013 #5
That will be true as long as money equals votes,...oh wait.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #24
Let me know when ya can get Goldman Sachs voted out of office. n/t L0oniX Jul 2013 #25
I'm waiting for the comedy of Liberals claiming it'll happen under Hillary. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #30
Yeah uhm ...what are the Clintons worth now? I know its over 100m. n/t L0oniX Jul 2013 #31
Wonder how much of that is with Goldman. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #37
er DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #38
Because I'm a Kucinich supporter. I know what REAL change would look like. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #39
that was my point DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #43
Dennis could EASILY "sell his ideas" because they're popular. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #45
Then he could have done so DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #46
The rest of the media refused to have him on.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #48
as I said DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #49
I guess you want better packaging.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #52
interesting sigmasix Jul 2013 #6
Paulson with Co-Conspirators: bvar22 Jul 2013 #8
Yeah, they almost looked like a functioning legislative body for a day. eilen Jul 2013 #33
Sigh... SidDithers Jul 2013 #10
So? burnodo Jul 2013 #12
I find it interesting that the most ardent NSA defenders Aerows Jul 2013 #13
+100 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #16
^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Jul 2013 #26
Aerows, I think like you do.... Living in Canada, dual citizen, born in USA nenagh Jul 2013 #29
It's not all Canadians Aerows Jul 2013 #32
I remember watching a video of one of the earlier whistle blowers describing how data is accumulated nenagh Jul 2013 #34
This is more like what it is about. gulliver Jul 2013 #11
Aha. THIS is why NSA apologists suddenly "hate Libertarians more than Republicans." DirkGently Jul 2013 #14
"hate Libertarians more than Republicans." stonecutter357 Jul 2013 #18
Not about "voting." Maybe you missed the point. DirkGently Jul 2013 #22
Yep! JoeyT Jul 2013 #20
+1 leftstreet Jul 2013 #35
Obama Administration Unmasked - Wanton Undermining Of The 4th Amendment cantbeserious Jul 2013 #15
No one is coming after you. stonecutter357 Jul 2013 #17
Still waiting for the evidence of bulk spying. randome Jul 2013 #19
Waiting for evidence that you will then want the provider prosecuted for giving out Fumesucker Jul 2013 #21
Proving something illegal or abusive is the very definition of whistleblower. randome Jul 2013 #23
I doubt you'll still be here when it all comes out Hydra Jul 2013 #40
I have said S&G have not provided evidence to support their claims. randome Jul 2013 #41
You've been shown evidence multiple times Hydra Jul 2013 #42
The Verizon warrant has nothing to do with the 4th Amendment. randome Jul 2013 #44
You've ducked out on me and others multiple times Hydra Jul 2013 #47
There is documentary evidence published at the Gaurdian usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #50
Fuck greenwald.. and his stupid mask. Cha Jul 2013 #27
What a convicing, thoughtful argument! YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #28
"There's no difference between the parties! So vote 3rd party, or just don't vote!" struggle4progress Jul 2013 #36
I don't see that anywhere. What are you quoting? nt Union Scribe Jul 2013 #53
It's Greenwald's basic strategy: he beats notes on this drum constantly, regardless of facts struggle4progress Jul 2013 #54
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