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In reply to the discussion: Below are the arguments of those that support the NSA over Snowden's revelations*. [View all]Pholus
(4,062 posts)83. Some thoughts on your points.
1. Considering the thread I am amused that anger about an illegal, out of control Republican created corporate giveaway being embraced and extended by Democrats somehow translates as supporting Republicans.
2. Considering the thread, perhaps it might help our side TO HAVE A SLIVER OF DAYLIGHT showing between this administration's policies and the last. Candidate Obama made a lot of pretty speeches saying all the right things about dragnet surveillance right up until July of 2008. Then there was a 180 with lots of equivocation but I gave him the benefit of the doubt because "President McCain that's why." So I voted for that guy and I got President Obama instead. The guy was better than McCain on most things, but frankly he IS the Republican on this issue.
3. My friends here have already told me in 2012 to choke down my concerns yet again because "President Perry/Bachmann/Sanatorum/Romney that's why." So I showed up and did my bit AGAIN. Ask me what that got me here.
4. Oh those horrible professional lefties, trying to keep the party from triangulating their way into a moderate sect of the Republican party!
5. Why do I get the feeling that your idea about "our ideals" really means "your ideals" and that it translates as "because shut up, that's why."
Certainly let me tell you this right now. "President Cruz/Bush/Christie that's why" is not going to be sufficient this go around. I expect better leadership from our people which is NOT unreasonable. We're supposed to be better than the Republicans, not morphing into them. I'm done with mediocre behavior being justified every election by the "lesser of two evils" card being played.
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Below are the arguments of those that support the NSA over Snowden's revelations*. [View all]
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
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then why did they post about it for weeks. the list is not just about current talking points, it's
HiPointDem
Aug 2013
#8
the Demopublicans like to use Talking Points just like the Republicans...
AZ Progressive
Aug 2013
#2
Info on the internetz is like Schrodinger's cat. It's true until you read it. nm
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#129
good job. but you forgot the latest: by defecting to russia, snowden is supporting russia's
HiPointDem
Aug 2013
#5
All Democrats are not equal. Some Democrats support the Constitution while
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#123
"Promoting our side" is great, as long as "our side" is doing the right things.
Maedhros
Aug 2013
#91
It's worse than saying there is no spying, they DEFEND it because 'it's old news'. Until it's not
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#51
The problem is, Sabrina, I haven't seen too many people defending NSA excesses, either.
AverageJoe90
Aug 2013
#111
There have been some that claim that we need the NSA spy programs to be safe from the terrorists.
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#122
Talk about strawmen, "I get that you like Snowden." Nowhere did I say that?
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#132
There appears to be enough evidence to warrant an investigation irregardless of what Snowden's
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#140
And there's no spying, which is why the DEA has apparently been concocting fake evidence trails
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2013
#27
It's a joke argument. The NSA tells you they are not being bad and you buy it.
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#120
I'm not a Snowden groupie, and I support Obama. And I'm profoundly concerned about the NSA spying
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2013
#37
Did you ever stop and think that Prism is way more discussion worthy than how one feels about....
marble falls
Aug 2013
#36
I absolutely agree that we need to keep our eye on the NSA/Booz-Allen spy programs.
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#73
I don't think he faced any sort of mysterious death, do you? And sometimes someone has to take....
marble falls
Aug 2013
#112
I dont think the court room would have exposed anything. It's all secret. What did
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#114
His trial was public and hid nothing and the press exposed and ended the torture.
marble falls
Aug 2013
#116
gee maybe I should reconsider my opposition to domestic spying........ nah, nevermind
bowens43
Aug 2013
#38
Did you get the part where the NSA is 60 years old and that 5 repug and Democratic Administrations..
Tikki
Aug 2013
#39
I am guessing your point about the age of the NSA is that an agency that old
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#124
Doesn't The Very Term "Secret" Lose much of its meaning when 850,000 people have "top Secret"
BlueManFan
Aug 2013
#44
No. When this got blown out of proportion I realized that I was in part to blame
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#75
As I said, Without insight into the hosts discussion it appears editorial.
hootinholler
Aug 2013
#82
For the record, I have nothing against pole dancers. Some of my best friends are pole
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#80
Thanks. Pls also consider: Civil disobedience is not legitimate unless someone agrees to be arrested
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2013
#72
I have no problem that "fall somewhere in between". I do have a problem with those here
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#118