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32. The "confusion"

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:18 AM

Aug 2013

is that too many on this site refuse to deal with the fact that this is Congress' problem to fix. Equating carrying out a law (as flawed and unconstitutional as it might be) with some nefarious motive, is ridiculous and shows a lack of understanding of the tricameral government.

The people's problem is not pushing enough for election finance reform, the current state of affairs being what has kept Congress from fixing the 4th amendment violation problem, whether it be the NSA or "Stop and Frisk", which gets little or no attention by the "MY PRIVACY IS BEING VIOLATED!!!11!1!!" shills who aren't subject to this sort of abuse.

This has nothing to do with the Executive Branch despite how much people here love doing a cheap and easy bash of the day.

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The leak was an attempt to bolster the libertarian brand. [View all] ProSense Aug 2013 OP

Well there used to be another political faction in favor of civil liberties you know NoOneMan Aug 2013 #1

Yeah, ProSense Aug 2013 #5

I forgot to include this ProSense Aug 2013 #11

Oh hey, East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #126

Don't read them ECP, because facts are just awful. tridim Aug 2013 #141

What facts? NoOneMan Aug 2013 #153

Here's another ProSense Aug 2013 #149

Nobody cares about Ron Paul. I cannot understand your fixation on him Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #157

The Constitution doesn't belong to a faction. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #2

The leak was an attempt to bolster the libertarian brand?? darkangel218 Aug 2013 #3

because people from all walks of life bought the Pet Rock? n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #9

I said political life. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #15

Pretty much anyone ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #30

Because it should be UP TO US TO WHO WE CHOSE TO DISCLOSE WHAT! darkangel218 Aug 2013 #41

Really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #70

They dont colect everything like the NSA does! and if i dont want darkangel218 Aug 2013 #79

The NSA is purchasing this information? MNBrewer Aug 2013 #139

who else? nebenaube Aug 2013 #179

It was and you did. You agreed to the terms of service. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #72

For my previous response ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #76

Enjoy your spying. To each their own i guess. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #83

So, if I agree to allow a third party, for example a house cleaner, to enter Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #112

That poster will not respond to actual questions. The meme he pushes is frightening, consent is the Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #122

The housecleaner can tell the government or anyone treestar Aug 2013 #125

Yes, but that was not the claim that was made. Have I ceded my 4th amendment rights? Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #128

No. treestar Aug 2013 #217

If the housekeeper is in possession of my information the government needs a Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #221

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #22

Im glad you find our Constitution funny. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #51

Did you feel the same way when GOP congress INSTITUTIONALIZED it years before blm Aug 2013 #67

Yes i did. And Obama couldve changed it, but he didnt. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #69

When? When in the last 4 years did Obama accumulate the power base to blm Aug 2013 #183

Well-said. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #216

First ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #84

"there is no constitutional violation" darkangel218 Aug 2013 #86

No constitutional violation? What constitutes a violation of the Constitution for you? RC Aug 2013 #133

i know, right? this thread is heading for the dungeon imo elehhhhna Aug 2013 #12

Are you denying the facts/links related to Assange, Greenwald and the Pauls? ProSense Aug 2013 #14

Also, ProSense Aug 2013 #21

please know that I don't give a hoot about S's motives, elehhhhna Aug 2013 #26

The name calling says otherwise. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #53

pretty accurate name RetroLounge Aug 2013 #222

The NSA defenders Mnpaul Aug 2013 #165

Yep we all can play the framing game. It's become childish. L0oniX Aug 2013 #192

Why are you still paying attention to the obsessive reframer behind the curtian? L0oniX Aug 2013 #188

The grapes have been really sweet this year. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #4

Thanks.. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #162

this OP is meant to bolster the libertarian meme. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #6

Those dots are so connected they make up one big lump of libertarian shit. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #7

Umm, democrats give a shit about the Constitution too, you know. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #10

This has nothing to do with the Constitution and every thing to do with Whisp Aug 2013 #19

BS is has nothing to do with the Constitution!! darkangel218 Aug 2013 #20

The Pauls are using that weak spot for their own benefit Whisp Aug 2013 #61

That may end up being the consequence. kentuck Aug 2013 #8

Easy solution, of course. woo me with science Aug 2013 #13

You win this thread. elehhhhna Aug 2013 #27

Or what: ProSense Aug 2013 #35

OFFS ...off the deep end. L0oniX Aug 2013 #98

No, what was the point of the comment in the context of the OP? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #101

To convince people to not care about government spying on us because that helps ron paul. L0oniX Aug 2013 #107

That was the point of the poster's comment? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #108

Of course ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #37

... woo me with science Aug 2013 #57

Ok I am using that pic L0oniX Aug 2013 #103

Me too! kentuck Aug 2013 #105

You win the thread! neverforget Aug 2013 #111

No disidoro01 Aug 2013 #80

Its not nice to share. obxhead Aug 2013 #106

No! Dirty Libertarians support those. We need our own pet issue... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #154

Precisely. n/t ljm2002 Aug 2013 #172

If true, it is only because Democrats have ceded the ground on protecting civil liberties. hlthe2b Aug 2013 #16

As I said ProSense Aug 2013 #18

As I said, virtually no DUer I know is in support of Rand Paul. But many of us are horrified at Dems hlthe2b Aug 2013 #54

Issues disidoro01 Aug 2013 #89

Even if you buy the premise that the libertarians "won" on this issue somehow Pholus Aug 2013 #17

Despite the attempts, no one is rushing into Rand Paul's camp. ProSense Aug 2013 #23

Precisely, because despite the insinuations we are all Democrats here. Pholus Aug 2013 #29

What does that have to do with the OP? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #31

I will presume you're not being deliberately obtuse. Pholus Aug 2013 #38

Oh please, that's ProSense Aug 2013 #49

I'm just going by what other posters are saying. Pholus Aug 2013 #64

I guess ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #43

...and then there's the Dems going right along with the Bush/repuke NSA DHS cause. L0oniX Aug 2013 #124

It is only the timing of our "republican support" that offends. Pholus Aug 2013 #151

You say, "no one is rushing into Rand Paul's camp"... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #175

Really? ProSense Aug 2013 #178

PO is "suffering the consequences" because he chooses to. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #24

The "confusion" BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #32

Have you been missing out on the FISA deliberations? Pholus Aug 2013 #45

Did you miss Civics class again? BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #88

My Senator (Udall), who has been waving his arms about this for years, truebluegreen Aug 2013 #131

Thank you! Pholus Aug 2013 #142

No problem. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #148

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding! ^^^this^^^ L0oniX Aug 2013 #120

I Smell LaRouchies... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #25

I think that's a reasonable suspicion. ucrdem Aug 2013 #28

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #50

Could be. But they're still Republicans ucrdem Aug 2013 #60

Only Rand Paul fanatics could possibly oppose NSA spying techniques. dairydog91 Aug 2013 #33

Ok! You convinced me! hootinholler Aug 2013 #34

lmao!!! darkangel218 Aug 2013 #46

But we already knew all about these programs since 2006 or 1996 or 1776 or something? Fumesucker Aug 2013 #36

The publication of the Verizon warrant. randome Aug 2013 #40

Eh, I'm just giving the talking points from a couple of months ago Fumesucker Aug 2013 #63

You're right, too much secrecy -and duplicity- breeds mistrust. Always. randome Aug 2013 #77

That's a problem old enough there is a Latin phrase for it Fumesucker Aug 2013 #93

"the quickest way for Obama to make this go away is to be candid and forthright about it." No, see stevenleser Aug 2013 #85

We have been lied to on a massive scale before regarding intelligence Fumesucker Aug 2013 #114

That's nice. I even mostly agree. But it doesn't address your point to which I responded. stevenleser Aug 2013 #119

Look, we all know for a fact Obama is lying about one major aspect of domestic policy Fumesucker Aug 2013 #143

Personally, I thought the leak was a Benghazi-esque part of the Rand Paul campaign. Coyotl Aug 2013 #39

A Ratfuck from start to finish. And just look at how many fools swallowed it whole. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #42

One Presumes The Clapper Lies Were A Figment Of Imagination cantbeserious Aug 2013 #52

or that one doesn't know that Clapper was placed in a lying position but fuck facts, best to chase uponit7771 Aug 2013 #62

One Presumes That One Knows Not Of Nuremberg cantbeserious Aug 2013 #66

...or that more than enough know to NOT ask certain questions in public of secret agencies but again uponit7771 Aug 2013 #75

So The Excuse Is That American Citizens Do Not Need To Know - Hello, Democracy cantbeserious Aug 2013 #90

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2013 #59

Wyden is a randroid mole? Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #127

Where are the singing cats? Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #44

Theyre here. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #47

That is not right. randome Aug 2013 #55

Cheers! Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #56

Have an awesome day, Vinnie!! darkangel218 Aug 2013 #65

Keep Dreaming cantbeserious Aug 2013 #48

Rich Lowry?! If you're going to source a RWer, Quantess Aug 2013 #58

So you're implying that RWers aren't allowed to hype RWers? ProSense Aug 2013 #68

I can't take Rich Lowry seriously. That is what I am saying. (no text) Quantess Aug 2013 #71

The whistleblowing was an attempt to show the government is LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #73

Thanks ProSense Iliyah Aug 2013 #74

No, the leak was an attempt to preserve democracy. Octafish Aug 2013 #78

Martin Luther fights were also a plot to bolster Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #121

Labels and Propaganda. Misinformation and Disinformation - From the Toolkit of the Ruling Class. Octafish Aug 2013 #189

I see you're still searching for that 4th tactic. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #82

. ProSense Aug 2013 #87

That is still the second tactic. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #92

Speaking of conspiracy theories: NuclearDem Aug 2013 #96

Speaking of deflection ProSense Aug 2013 #104

Still a mustread: NuclearDem Aug 2013 #110

They have a brand? You mean those anti tax banner carriers and the 1% of primary voters Paul Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #91

Tell that to Assange, Greenwald and Snowden. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #94

If you feel the need, you should do so. I'm telling it to you, the DUer claiming this 'brand' exists Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #117

"The brand is Republican Brand." So Assange and Greenwald support Republicans? ProSense Aug 2013 #123

There are treatments for obsessive compulsive disorders. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #95

Rich Lowry burnodo Aug 2013 #97

Can you believe it? Quantess Aug 2013 #207

the leak was an attempt at undermining the obama brand BOG PERSON Aug 2013 #99

This post violates the Statement of Purpose for the General Forum - NO Conspiracy Theories - Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #100

No, it doesn't. It's an opinion, but I can see why it's important to deflect from ProSense Aug 2013 #102

So it appears.... Tikki Aug 2013 #109

lolololol BOG PERSON Aug 2013 #113

Now THIS thread is flamebate. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #115

Well someone has to convince us all that the NSA and DHS loves us. L0oniX Aug 2013 #129

Here: ProSense Aug 2013 #132

Wait, I'm convinced. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #137

I didn't expect this when I signed on to Linkedin. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #186

POS heaven05 Aug 2013 #116

Per Rand Paul the NSA Iliyah Aug 2013 #118

Not to mention the ACLU brand, the Anmesty International Brand, and a few others. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #130

But the Democratic Party isn't on that list NuclearDem Aug 2013 #134

Good catch. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #156

Those are all Ron Paul front groups! Under the bus with them! nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #155

It's political espionage. gulliver Aug 2013 #135

The Pauls are like clockwork: They'll instantly leap upon the outrage of the day Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #136

The desperation is smelling thick this morning. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #138

Yeah, calling out pro-Paul Assange and Greenwald is wrong. ProSense Aug 2013 #140

especially when you just make it up burnodo Aug 2013 #159

The downplaying is an attempt to cover Democratic ass. Fuddnik Aug 2013 #144

Probably. AppetiteForApathy Aug 2013 #145

"the leak" was an attack on the obama brand BOG PERSON Aug 2013 #146

This is conspiracy theory limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #147

This was not a leak.... midnight Aug 2013 #150

As was the Iraq war which Libertarians oppose as well!! Damn Libertarians!!! nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #152

Another fallacy ProSense Aug 2013 #158

Hillarious, you don't even know what you are arguing.... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #166

Really? ProSense Aug 2013 #169

And? Again, what are you arguing? Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #201

"Try, really try, to be fucking SPECIFIC. " ProSense Aug 2013 #206

The Pauls don't represent all Libertarians. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #196

Assange and Greenwald like them. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #197

Big fucking whoop. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #200

Actually, ProSense Aug 2013 #205

There needs to be push back from the libertarians Mnpaul Aug 2013 #160

I know who the OP's REAL heroes are AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #161

No, I ProSense Aug 2013 #163

I support an America that sticks to its principles, cares about its people... AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #190

I thought Paul was a Republican leftstreet Aug 2013 #164

Who cares who leaked the information and for what theoretical ulterior motive? Maedhros Aug 2013 #167

I do, and misinformation is not cool. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #168

misinformation is not cool. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #173

That's not what Senators Wyden or Udall says: neverforget Aug 2013 #176

From Wyden's statement ProSense Aug 2013 #184

I found this part especially telling: neverforget Aug 2013 #185

Congress can fix that, which is addressed by the reform proposed. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #193

And President Obama needs to support the reforms. neverforget Aug 2013 #194

Post hoc ergo propter hoc... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #170

"I can't help but think that you are the cause of this problem Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #180

I admire you PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #181

You have ProSense Aug 2013 #203

I am quite happy... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #204

And I'm quite happy calling out Rand Paul ProSense Aug 2013 #208

as sure as the sun appears to rise in the east, avoid the message by attacking the messenger nt msongs Aug 2013 #171

Beating a dead horse into a bloody pulp. mick063 Aug 2013 #174

You mean they were politiking? Rex Aug 2013 #177

Damn. There sure are a lot of libertarian Democrats in Congress! David Krout Aug 2013 #182

It would take a true idiot to buy the pile of shit you're trying to sell. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #187

Now how did I know this was you? dkf Aug 2013 #191

Is it because of the name attached to the OP? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #195

I just read the title of the piece and I already know. dkf Aug 2013 #198

LOL! n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #202

I sense that it may be so. moondust Aug 2013 #199

I knew that from the beginning when Whiny libertarian, ed snowden, was Cha Aug 2013 #209

Keep failing to catapult the ProPaganda! bobduca Aug 2013 #210

The Pauls and the Leakers Are All Fond of Each Other ProSense Aug 2013 #211

Association fallacy bobduca Aug 2013 #212

Is that a "blue link"? ProSense Aug 2013 #213

I think Assange is wrong bobduca Aug 2013 #214

You're right about Assange. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #223

I agree that may have been one of the reasons. Number23 Aug 2013 #215

Cool CT! Do tell more, don't just stop half way, please! idwiyo Aug 2013 #218

What insipid drivel. TransitJohn Aug 2013 #219

Another win for the Koch brothers. Get ready. freshwest Aug 2013 #220