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Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:56 AM

Aug 2013

Another NSA "Bombshell" Starts to Fizzle Out, as Greenwald Pushes Government Conspiracy Theory
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The leak was an attempt to bolster the libertarian brand. [View all] ProSense Aug 2013 OP

Well there used to be another political faction in favor of civil liberties you know NoOneMan Aug 2013 #1

Yeah, ProSense Aug 2013 #5

I forgot to include this ProSense Aug 2013 #11

Oh hey, East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #126

Don't read them ECP, because facts are just awful. tridim Aug 2013 #141

What facts? NoOneMan Aug 2013 #153

Here's another ProSense Aug 2013 #149

Nobody cares about Ron Paul. I cannot understand your fixation on him Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #157

The Constitution doesn't belong to a faction. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #2

The leak was an attempt to bolster the libertarian brand?? darkangel218 Aug 2013 #3

because people from all walks of life bought the Pet Rock? n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #9

I said political life. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #15

Pretty much anyone ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #30

Because it should be UP TO US TO WHO WE CHOSE TO DISCLOSE WHAT! darkangel218 Aug 2013 #41

Really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #70

They dont colect everything like the NSA does! and if i dont want darkangel218 Aug 2013 #79

The NSA is purchasing this information? MNBrewer Aug 2013 #139

who else? nebenaube Aug 2013 #179

It was and you did. You agreed to the terms of service. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #72

For my previous response ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #76

Enjoy your spying. To each their own i guess. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #83

So, if I agree to allow a third party, for example a house cleaner, to enter Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #112

That poster will not respond to actual questions. The meme he pushes is frightening, consent is the Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #122

The housecleaner can tell the government or anyone treestar Aug 2013 #125

Yes, but that was not the claim that was made. Have I ceded my 4th amendment rights? Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #128

No. treestar Aug 2013 #217

If the housekeeper is in possession of my information the government needs a Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #221

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #22

Im glad you find our Constitution funny. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #51

Did you feel the same way when GOP congress INSTITUTIONALIZED it years before blm Aug 2013 #67

Yes i did. And Obama couldve changed it, but he didnt. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #69

When? When in the last 4 years did Obama accumulate the power base to blm Aug 2013 #183

Well-said. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #216

First ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #84

"there is no constitutional violation" darkangel218 Aug 2013 #86

No constitutional violation? What constitutes a violation of the Constitution for you? RC Aug 2013 #133

i know, right? this thread is heading for the dungeon imo elehhhhna Aug 2013 #12

Are you denying the facts/links related to Assange, Greenwald and the Pauls? ProSense Aug 2013 #14

Also, ProSense Aug 2013 #21

please know that I don't give a hoot about S's motives, elehhhhna Aug 2013 #26

The name calling says otherwise. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #53

pretty accurate name RetroLounge Aug 2013 #222

The NSA defenders Mnpaul Aug 2013 #165

Yep we all can play the framing game. It's become childish. L0oniX Aug 2013 #192

Why are you still paying attention to the obsessive reframer behind the curtian? L0oniX Aug 2013 #188

The grapes have been really sweet this year. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #4

Thanks.. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #162

this OP is meant to bolster the libertarian meme. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #6

Those dots are so connected they make up one big lump of libertarian shit. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #7

Umm, democrats give a shit about the Constitution too, you know. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #10

This has nothing to do with the Constitution and every thing to do with Whisp Aug 2013 #19

BS is has nothing to do with the Constitution!! darkangel218 Aug 2013 #20

The Pauls are using that weak spot for their own benefit Whisp Aug 2013 #61

That may end up being the consequence. kentuck Aug 2013 #8

Easy solution, of course. woo me with science Aug 2013 #13

You win this thread. elehhhhna Aug 2013 #27

Or what: ProSense Aug 2013 #35

OFFS ...off the deep end. L0oniX Aug 2013 #98

No, what was the point of the comment in the context of the OP? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #101

To convince people to not care about government spying on us because that helps ron paul. L0oniX Aug 2013 #107

That was the point of the poster's comment? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #108

Of course ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #37

... woo me with science Aug 2013 #57

Ok I am using that pic L0oniX Aug 2013 #103

Me too! kentuck Aug 2013 #105

You win the thread! neverforget Aug 2013 #111

No disidoro01 Aug 2013 #80

Its not nice to share. obxhead Aug 2013 #106

No! Dirty Libertarians support those. We need our own pet issue... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #154

Precisely. n/t ljm2002 Aug 2013 #172

If true, it is only because Democrats have ceded the ground on protecting civil liberties. hlthe2b Aug 2013 #16

As I said ProSense Aug 2013 #18

As I said, virtually no DUer I know is in support of Rand Paul. But many of us are horrified at Dems hlthe2b Aug 2013 #54

Issues disidoro01 Aug 2013 #89

Even if you buy the premise that the libertarians "won" on this issue somehow Pholus Aug 2013 #17

Despite the attempts, no one is rushing into Rand Paul's camp. ProSense Aug 2013 #23

Precisely, because despite the insinuations we are all Democrats here. Pholus Aug 2013 #29

What does that have to do with the OP? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #31

I will presume you're not being deliberately obtuse. Pholus Aug 2013 #38

Oh please, that's ProSense Aug 2013 #49

I'm just going by what other posters are saying. Pholus Aug 2013 #64

I guess ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #43

...and then there's the Dems going right along with the Bush/repuke NSA DHS cause. L0oniX Aug 2013 #124

It is only the timing of our "republican support" that offends. Pholus Aug 2013 #151

You say, "no one is rushing into Rand Paul's camp"... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #175

Really? ProSense Aug 2013 #178

PO is "suffering the consequences" because he chooses to. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #24

The "confusion" BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #32

Have you been missing out on the FISA deliberations? Pholus Aug 2013 #45

Did you miss Civics class again? BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #88

My Senator (Udall), who has been waving his arms about this for years, truebluegreen Aug 2013 #131

Thank you! Pholus Aug 2013 #142

No problem. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #148

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding! ^^^this^^^ L0oniX Aug 2013 #120

I Smell LaRouchies... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #25

I think that's a reasonable suspicion. ucrdem Aug 2013 #28

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #50

Could be. But they're still Republicans ucrdem Aug 2013 #60

Only Rand Paul fanatics could possibly oppose NSA spying techniques. dairydog91 Aug 2013 #33

Ok! You convinced me! hootinholler Aug 2013 #34

lmao!!! darkangel218 Aug 2013 #46

But we already knew all about these programs since 2006 or 1996 or 1776 or something? Fumesucker Aug 2013 #36

The publication of the Verizon warrant. randome Aug 2013 #40

Eh, I'm just giving the talking points from a couple of months ago Fumesucker Aug 2013 #63

You're right, too much secrecy -and duplicity- breeds mistrust. Always. randome Aug 2013 #77

That's a problem old enough there is a Latin phrase for it Fumesucker Aug 2013 #93

"the quickest way for Obama to make this go away is to be candid and forthright about it." No, see stevenleser Aug 2013 #85

We have been lied to on a massive scale before regarding intelligence Fumesucker Aug 2013 #114

That's nice. I even mostly agree. But it doesn't address your point to which I responded. stevenleser Aug 2013 #119

Look, we all know for a fact Obama is lying about one major aspect of domestic policy Fumesucker Aug 2013 #143

Personally, I thought the leak was a Benghazi-esque part of the Rand Paul campaign. Coyotl Aug 2013 #39

A Ratfuck from start to finish. And just look at how many fools swallowed it whole. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #42

One Presumes The Clapper Lies Were A Figment Of Imagination cantbeserious Aug 2013 #52

or that one doesn't know that Clapper was placed in a lying position but fuck facts, best to chase uponit7771 Aug 2013 #62

One Presumes That One Knows Not Of Nuremberg cantbeserious Aug 2013 #66

...or that more than enough know to NOT ask certain questions in public of secret agencies but again uponit7771 Aug 2013 #75

So The Excuse Is That American Citizens Do Not Need To Know - Hello, Democracy cantbeserious Aug 2013 #90

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2013 #59

Wyden is a randroid mole? Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #127

Where are the singing cats? Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #44

Theyre here. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #47

That is not right. randome Aug 2013 #55

Cheers! Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #56

Have an awesome day, Vinnie!! darkangel218 Aug 2013 #65

Keep Dreaming cantbeserious Aug 2013 #48

Rich Lowry?! If you're going to source a RWer, Quantess Aug 2013 #58

So you're implying that RWers aren't allowed to hype RWers? ProSense Aug 2013 #68

I can't take Rich Lowry seriously. That is what I am saying. (no text) Quantess Aug 2013 #71

The whistleblowing was an attempt to show the government is LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #73

Thanks ProSense Iliyah Aug 2013 #74

No, the leak was an attempt to preserve democracy. Octafish Aug 2013 #78

Martin Luther fights were also a plot to bolster Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #121

Labels and Propaganda. Misinformation and Disinformation - From the Toolkit of the Ruling Class. Octafish Aug 2013 #189

I see you're still searching for that 4th tactic. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #82

. ProSense Aug 2013 #87

That is still the second tactic. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #92

Speaking of conspiracy theories: NuclearDem Aug 2013 #96

Speaking of deflection ProSense Aug 2013 #104

Still a mustread: NuclearDem Aug 2013 #110

They have a brand? You mean those anti tax banner carriers and the 1% of primary voters Paul Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #91

Tell that to Assange, Greenwald and Snowden. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #94

If you feel the need, you should do so. I'm telling it to you, the DUer claiming this 'brand' exists Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #117

"The brand is Republican Brand." So Assange and Greenwald support Republicans? ProSense Aug 2013 #123

There are treatments for obsessive compulsive disorders. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #95

Rich Lowry burnodo Aug 2013 #97

Can you believe it? Quantess Aug 2013 #207

the leak was an attempt at undermining the obama brand BOG PERSON Aug 2013 #99

This post violates the Statement of Purpose for the General Forum - NO Conspiracy Theories - Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #100

No, it doesn't. It's an opinion, but I can see why it's important to deflect from ProSense Aug 2013 #102

So it appears.... Tikki Aug 2013 #109

lolololol BOG PERSON Aug 2013 #113

Now THIS thread is flamebate. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #115

Well someone has to convince us all that the NSA and DHS loves us. L0oniX Aug 2013 #129

Here: ProSense Aug 2013 #132

Wait, I'm convinced. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #137

I didn't expect this when I signed on to Linkedin. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #186

POS heaven05 Aug 2013 #116

Per Rand Paul the NSA Iliyah Aug 2013 #118

Not to mention the ACLU brand, the Anmesty International Brand, and a few others. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #130

But the Democratic Party isn't on that list NuclearDem Aug 2013 #134

Good catch. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #156

Those are all Ron Paul front groups! Under the bus with them! nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #155

It's political espionage. gulliver Aug 2013 #135

The Pauls are like clockwork: They'll instantly leap upon the outrage of the day Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #136

The desperation is smelling thick this morning. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #138

Yeah, calling out pro-Paul Assange and Greenwald is wrong. ProSense Aug 2013 #140

especially when you just make it up burnodo Aug 2013 #159

The downplaying is an attempt to cover Democratic ass. Fuddnik Aug 2013 #144

Probably. AppetiteForApathy Aug 2013 #145

"the leak" was an attack on the obama brand BOG PERSON Aug 2013 #146

This is conspiracy theory limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #147

This was not a leak.... midnight Aug 2013 #150

As was the Iraq war which Libertarians oppose as well!! Damn Libertarians!!! nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #152

Another fallacy ProSense Aug 2013 #158

Hillarious, you don't even know what you are arguing.... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #166

Really? ProSense Aug 2013 #169

And? Again, what are you arguing? Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #201

"Try, really try, to be fucking SPECIFIC. " ProSense Aug 2013 #206

The Pauls don't represent all Libertarians. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #196

Assange and Greenwald like them. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #197

Big fucking whoop. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #200

Actually, ProSense Aug 2013 #205

There needs to be push back from the libertarians Mnpaul Aug 2013 #160

I know who the OP's REAL heroes are AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #161

No, I ProSense Aug 2013 #163

I support an America that sticks to its principles, cares about its people... AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #190

I thought Paul was a Republican leftstreet Aug 2013 #164

Who cares who leaked the information and for what theoretical ulterior motive? Maedhros Aug 2013 #167

I do, and misinformation is not cool. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #168

misinformation is not cool. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #173

That's not what Senators Wyden or Udall says: neverforget Aug 2013 #176

From Wyden's statement ProSense Aug 2013 #184

I found this part especially telling: neverforget Aug 2013 #185

Congress can fix that, which is addressed by the reform proposed. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #193

And President Obama needs to support the reforms. neverforget Aug 2013 #194

Post hoc ergo propter hoc... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #170

"I can't help but think that you are the cause of this problem Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #180

I admire you PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #181

You have ProSense Aug 2013 #203

I am quite happy... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #204

And I'm quite happy calling out Rand Paul ProSense Aug 2013 #208

as sure as the sun appears to rise in the east, avoid the message by attacking the messenger nt msongs Aug 2013 #171

Beating a dead horse into a bloody pulp. mick063 Aug 2013 #174

You mean they were politiking? Rex Aug 2013 #177

Damn. There sure are a lot of libertarian Democrats in Congress! David Krout Aug 2013 #182

It would take a true idiot to buy the pile of shit you're trying to sell. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #187

Now how did I know this was you? dkf Aug 2013 #191

Is it because of the name attached to the OP? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #195

I just read the title of the piece and I already know. dkf Aug 2013 #198

LOL! n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #202

I sense that it may be so. moondust Aug 2013 #199

I knew that from the beginning when Whiny libertarian, ed snowden, was Cha Aug 2013 #209

Keep failing to catapult the ProPaganda! bobduca Aug 2013 #210

The Pauls and the Leakers Are All Fond of Each Other ProSense Aug 2013 #211

Association fallacy bobduca Aug 2013 #212

Is that a "blue link"? ProSense Aug 2013 #213

I think Assange is wrong bobduca Aug 2013 #214

You're right about Assange. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #223

I agree that may have been one of the reasons. Number23 Aug 2013 #215

Cool CT! Do tell more, don't just stop half way, please! idwiyo Aug 2013 #218

What insipid drivel. TransitJohn Aug 2013 #219

Another win for the Koch brothers. Get ready. freshwest Aug 2013 #220