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Bonobo

(29,257 posts) Fri Aug 30, 2013, 07:49 AM Aug 2013

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The disconnect by Americans re violence in Syria is sickening. [View all]

What the FUCK do Americans think the US has been doing for the last 13 years?

Yeah, scream about Assad.

It IS horrible. It is terrible and horrible and sickening and ghastly and barbarous, and inhuman and all of that!

And it is also what has been happening EVERY SINGLE WEEK and several times per week sometimes during the Obama administration.

So take that shock, that disgust and then remember you are paying for and VOTING for the SAME THING.

Countries do not HAVE to kill other people for security. There are plenty of countries (in fact almost ALL countries) that do NOT send planes, drones and soldiers into other countries where they kill people.

It's pretty much JUST the US.

Seriously, digest that for a minute.

:getting off high horse now:

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The disconnect by Americans re violence in Syria is sickening. [View all] Bonobo Aug 2013 OP

you are actually comparing US drone strikes to gassing civilians and napalming children? arely staircase Aug 2013 #1

Yup. I am. Bonobo Aug 2013 #4

yep your pretty sick :( PatrynXX Aug 2013 #122

if somebody dropped a bomb on your loved ones fascisthunter Aug 2013 #125

none more than the other arely staircase Aug 2013 #131

and I'd agree... but I don't have loved ones in this fascisthunter Sep 2013 #156

Dead is dead. Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2013 #5

Touche, dead is dead Carolina Aug 2013 #8

We just sell the nerve gas used by certain other countries, "on their own people". RC Aug 2013 #25

& only bomb countrys that didn't attack for MIC & Corporate Oil Rockyj Aug 2013 #110

We ordered them not to do it and they got uppity. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #120

And small pox, syphilis, LSD Enthusiast Aug 2013 #133

big difference Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #10

It doesn't make that big of a difference Bonobo Aug 2013 #11

war sucks Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #18

The problem, again, is that the US is in a state of Bonobo Aug 2013 #21

when have humans been peacefull? Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #24

Sorry, not buying. nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #28

americans have been coddled too much Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #29

Dude, most countries don't act like the US. Bonobo Aug 2013 #30

I am sure if we didn't bail out europe they might think Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #37

So just to make all this clear... Scootaloo Aug 2013 #53

Thanks for that Scoot HangOnKids Aug 2013 #108

Most swedes would probably say one should always be ready to kill for your countries security Arcanetrance Aug 2013 #97

The world is a "viscous" place? chervilant Aug 2013 #154

"even the Europeans who many here thinks are superior to the us" ronnie624 Aug 2013 #145

no, I am just countering Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #147

We've always been at war with Eastasia Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #106

that's comforting.. frylock Aug 2013 #130

I beg to differ on doing our best to reduce casualties. go west young man Aug 2013 #134

It's an immense difference. WatermelonRat Aug 2013 #117

'The us goes out of its way to avoid civilian casualties' -what an absurd notion. KG Aug 2013 #13

every war fir the last century Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #15

Too bad the US is not at war with anyone, eh? nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #19

no sane person wants it Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #23

"humans are always at war"--well, since the patriarch took over, anyway. niyad Aug 2013 #45

I know, war is great! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #135

that's the very purpose of drones. treestar Aug 2013 #89

So you support bombing Syria? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #114

OMG. You really think that response is a valid one? treestar Aug 2013 #116

I think it's a straight forward question. Either you do or you dont. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #118

We can judge them for what they are doing now treestar Aug 2013 #119

???? heaven05 Aug 2013 #49

How do you know? tblue Aug 2013 #56

When we bomb the first responders and then the funerals, pokerfan Aug 2013 #63

That's not true. In Vietnam B-52's carpet bombed, killing indiscriminately. They rhett o rick Aug 2013 #112

The US goes out of it's way to avoid civilian casualties? Snake Plissken Aug 2013 #132

Amen! nt marew Aug 2013 #146

To the individuals, but to society treestar Aug 2013 #88

dead is NOT dead VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #126

You're describing the kind of sentence that should be Enthusiast Aug 2013 #136

Nailed it... Surya Gayatri Aug 2013 #14

Wait. Drone strikes don't kill civilians and children? DirkGently Aug 2013 #38

Oh DirkGently. tblue Aug 2013 #58

dead people are all the same hfojvt Aug 2013 #78

Inconvenient truths BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #83

So now we're going to win the Syrian civil war? DirkGently Aug 2013 #107

Dude! Awesome post! chervilant Aug 2013 #155

"I trust Obama" tblue Aug 2013 #54

Dead is dead. One weapon is not morally superior to another. They are exactly the same thing. bowens43 Aug 2013 #55

Do you think our drone strikes haven't killed innocent civilians, including children? MNBrewer Aug 2013 #57

No, only terrorists disguised as children :sarcasm: <--Poe's Law - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #62

+1 treestar Aug 2013 #86

Bullshit dead is dead daa Aug 2013 #103

Moral equivalence and party preference are red herrings. sulphurdunn Aug 2013 #124

Countries that use napalm on children should be bombed dflprincess Aug 2013 #127

I don't trust any US president to make the right choice on past experience Swagman Aug 2013 #153

K&R 99Forever Aug 2013 #2

k&r True! Little Star Aug 2013 #3

only 9% of Americans support military strikes on Syria cali Aug 2013 #6

I am not talking about supporting strikes. Bonobo Aug 2013 #7

K&R Carolina Aug 2013 #9

Americans are a blood thirsty bunch. Assad is 70x as bloodthirsty. joshcryer Aug 2013 #12

When was the last time Assad bombed another country clear across the sea? nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #17

I thought we were concerned about innocent murders. joshcryer Aug 2013 #22

Wait. Blowing up a wedding is okay if no "charges" are filed? DirkGently Aug 2013 #50

I did not say that. joshcryer Aug 2013 #51

Charges? Where would they file these charges? Rex Aug 2013 #91

International Criminal Court joshcryer Aug 2013 #128

the United States is not a member state of the icc green917 Aug 2013 #138

ICC jurisdiction covers "crimes within territory of a state party." joshcryer Aug 2013 #141

Pakistan is complicit to one degree or another. Doesn't DirkGently Aug 2013 #109

No it doesn't. joshcryer Aug 2013 #129

+ My household. n/t truedelphi Aug 2013 #151

No international charges summer-hazz Aug 2013 #139

It would be up to the states AG or equivalent. joshcryer Aug 2013 #140

Thank you for sharing that summer-hazz Aug 2013 #142

Switzerland wants Bush for torture, too. joshcryer Aug 2013 #143

Excellent!!! I will copy/past and read it this long weekend... summer-hazz Aug 2013 #144

The speeders davidpdx Aug 2013 #35

The US Caretha Aug 2013 #41

Comparing Obama's drone war to Assad's civil war. joshcryer Aug 2013 #43

According to this poll 42% support military action, or 50% if the action is cruise missile strikes. bornskeptic Aug 2013 #105

agent orange, anyone? napalm? depleted uranium? any of those ring a bell? niyad Aug 2013 #44

Yup, Americans just like drones as a kindler, gentler killer. joshcryer Aug 2013 #48

We (the US Marine Corps) also allegedly used white phosphor as an anti-personnel munition HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #69

I remember hearing that at the time, even without the links. niyad Aug 2013 #81

Thanks for the supporting documentation. I've never picked up the habit HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #84

you are most welcome. that is one handy tool, amoung many. niyad Aug 2013 #87

The US had its chance to carry out humane actions in Rwanda where there was no chance for kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #16

War begets war, peace begets peace. Oppose war, support peace. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #20

Yes - Thank You HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #31

"Countries do not HAVE to kill other people for security." another_liberal Aug 2013 #26

du rec. xchrom Aug 2013 #27

Wasn't it a really long time between when Saddam gassed his people... Blanks Aug 2013 #32

We overlooked that because they were our buddies in a war against Iran. olegramps Aug 2013 #39

Saddam gassed the Kurds, 4 months later Rumsfeld was shaking his hand, sent by Reagan to Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #40

It seemed that there was a lot of chatter... Blanks Aug 2013 #113

Ahem, Saddam "allegedly" gassed his own people. That allegation has never been HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #76

I was just talking about this photo... a la izquierda Aug 2013 #149

There you go falling off that high horse of yours Whisp Aug 2013 #33

Absolutely agree. Oakenshield Aug 2013 #34

The only reson we are going to war is that MIC needs a boost to their quarterly profits. Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #36

No disconnect here, they will kill each other with or w/o our intervention.. Historic NY Aug 2013 #42

So, you think Obama is worse than Assad, but how dare anyone accuse you of being an Obama-hater, nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #46

Where does the OP mention Obama? leftstreet Aug 2013 #60

. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #65

'administration' leftstreet Aug 2013 #67

"remember you are paying for and VOTING for the SAME THING" geek tragedy Aug 2013 #70

Do Syrians vote? leftstreet Aug 2013 #72

No, there's a dictator who butchers them if they try. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #74

LOL leftstreet Aug 2013 #80

Some spend their entire time on DU looking for shadows. Rex Aug 2013 #92

Eyes the size of white poker chips leftstreet Aug 2013 #95

I've seen that picture before. Rex Aug 2013 #98

LOL leftstreet Aug 2013 #99

Nothing of the sort was said in the OP. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #61

asdf geek tragedy Aug 2013 #66

You explicitly said WORSE than Assad. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #68

You see, Assad only used poison gas once, but Obama does something just as bad every week., geek tragedy Aug 2013 #71

i think you're being overly sensitive and unreasonable MNBrewer Aug 2013 #75

Oh please. Bonobo just lost it over in the BOG tonight. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #150

Putting words in other posters mouths is getting pretty low. You getting desperate? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #115

k and r niyad Aug 2013 #47

And where else did 3K civilians get killed by terrorists one fine morning? BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #52

The US kills its own people 'for security' leftstreet Aug 2013 #59

My friend, it may help to keep this simple aphorism in mind: HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #64

So, you're considering Assad the weak as he 'wages war; against the strong geek tragedy Aug 2013 #73

Oh, puh-leeze, spare me the NeoCon bullshit - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #77

How would you characterize what the Assad regime is doing--comitting terrorism against geek tragedy Aug 2013 #79

Seems to me you're trying to hijack the thread from the OP's point, which is that the U.S. HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #93

So, you see no difference whatsoever between using a drone geek tragedy Aug 2013 #96

In Syria, the US will be fighting alongside al Qaeda leftstreet Aug 2013 #100

Confusing indeed, per this letter to the NY Times geek tragedy Aug 2013 #101

As more than one person posting here has noted, dead is dead and the HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #104

"As for what [rightwing nationalist] Abe said, I agree and support what he said." - Bonobo Romulox Aug 2013 #82

I thought polls showed Americans were against it? treestar Aug 2013 #85

I am not. Bonobo Aug 2013 #90

If Assad uses gas weapons, it does make a difference treestar Aug 2013 #94

I didn't do that. Bonobo Aug 2013 #102

I do not shrug over what the US does treestar Aug 2013 #111

Pretty much just the US because the US military was the last one standing after the 20th century The2ndWheel Aug 2013 #121

How will he learn to properly kill babies and others if we don't show him? We gotta blow up jtuck004 Aug 2013 #123

K&R DeSwiss Aug 2013 #137

For more information on where you can join, or organize, anti-war protests Lonr Aug 2013 #148

Thank you anda belated truedelphi Aug 2013 #152