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iverglas

(38,549 posts)
10. human groups have all sorts of taboos and traditions about their dead members
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 11:28 AM
Feb 2012

I imagine most US jurisdictions have some kind of law equivalent to the provision in the Criminal Code of Canada against offering indignities to a dead body. And the same sort of requirement that the representative of the deceased make appropriate arrangements for disposal of the body.

We just don't like it. We don't even mandate post mortem organ donation.

Now, granted, generally nobody can sue for defamation of a dead person, say. Our laws/norms tend to relate to the body itself. But there are long-standing customs, expressed in sayings like "do not speak ill of the dead", that do reflect our feeling that deceased members of our groups still have a sort of honorary membership.

Basically, we don't like the idea of our own bodies or memories being mistreated, so we don't like to see it being done to others'.

I'm a genealogy hound. I've run across evidence of ancestors of mine being posthumously baptised by proxy by some Mormon. (There are websites where people post family trees, and those associated with the giant Mormon/Ancestry.com octopus include a space to record each person's status in that regard that someone not in the know might not notice.) I think it's disgusting.

I would call it disrespect rather than desecration. It is simply disrespectful to the person who was, and yes, we do still "respect" deceased persons, to impose a choice on them that they never made.

I'm a lucky atheist, myself. Some years ago, my former church (the United Church of Canada, pretty much the most progressive Christian church on the planet) obtained an undertaking from the Mormons that they would not do posthumous proxy baptisms of people baptised in the UCC. I was baptised as an infant, of course, so I'm shielded from Mormon intervention.

... Of course, after reading a bit here about how they are not honouring their undertaking in respect of Jews, maybe I should not be so sanguine ...

All in all, though, yes: these posthumous proxy baptisms are every bit as disrespectful as desecrating graves, and yes, we human beings and our groups quite reasonably frown on the latter kind of disrespect and so quite reasonably frown on the former as well.

k&r hobbit709 Feb 2012 #1
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #2
So you and Rick Santorum are the only who ones allowed to decide who should be offended and by what? 11 Bravo Feb 2012 #3
You didn't even BOTHER to read my argument or consider what feelings might be involved. Bonobo Feb 2012 #4
I agree Generic Other Feb 2012 #5
Agreed. Though magic can be fun to watch. damyank913 Feb 2012 #6
And people used to manage human sacrifice and maybe still do. Whatever. lonestarnot Feb 2012 #7
I have a little ceremony where I conjur up the ghosts of dead people everytime I urinate & soak 'em. Fuzz Feb 2012 #8
It would only affect the living if the living believe that the ceremony has some validity and effect FarCenter Feb 2012 #9
Look at the thread about Mormon baptizing Ghandi csziggy Feb 2012 #20
They can go ahead and be offended FarCenter Feb 2012 #21
OK, I got my religions wrong csziggy Feb 2012 #24
human groups have all sorts of taboos and traditions about their dead members iverglas Feb 2012 #10
Thank you for a thoughtful and respectful post. Bonobo Feb 2012 #13
I absolutely understand your feelings iverglas Feb 2012 #14
Why would you call it disrespect? A Simple Game Feb 2012 #16
no, I think the intention is disrespect iverglas Feb 2012 #17
Then you're right. A Simple Game Feb 2012 #18
"desecration of the dead" is an oxymoron.... mike_c Feb 2012 #11
When Belinda Carlisle sang "We'll make heaven a place on earth" I was OUTRAGED. Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #12
Why are they any more palateable than westboro church? WingDinger Feb 2012 #15
It is an insult but what does that mean in practical terms? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #19
What no one is looking at... Xolodno Feb 2012 #22
...oh and one other thing I forgot Xolodno Feb 2012 #23
OK, so let's make fun of this practice csziggy Feb 2012 #25
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