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In reply to the discussion: U.N. Report: Chemical Weapons Use In Syria Confirmed, Details Point To Assad [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)72. You're arguing a point
no one is debating: "UN report does not assign culpability, it was not their mandate."
No one disputes that. Still, the UN evidence does provide insight to allow others to determine "culpablity."
There are other sources of evidence. Countries are going to compare the UN findings to their own, and organizations will do the same.
Dispatches: Yes, it was Sarin, UN Report Says. Now What?
September 16, 2013
Peter Bouckaert
The UN experts report on the August 21 chemical weapons attack in Syria has few surprises for those of us who have been investigating that deadly attack.
The UN experts collected clear and convincing evidence that surface-to-surface rockets containing the nerve agent Sarin were used in Ein Tarma, Moadamiya, and Zamalka in the Ghouta area of Damascus.
The experts mandate does not allow them to say who was responsible for the deadly barrage. But if you read between the lines, it isnt difficult to figure it out.
The rocket systems identified by the UN as used in the attack truck-launched 330mm rockets with around 50 to 60 liters of Sarin, as well as 140mm Soviet-produced rockets carrying a smaller Sarin-filled warhead are both known to be in the arsenal of the Syrian armed forces. They have never been seen in rebel hands. The amount of Sarin used in the attack hundreds of kilograms, according to Human Rights Watchs calculations also indicates government responsibility for the attack, as opposition forces have never been known to be in possession of such significant amounts of Sarin.
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http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/09/16/dispatches-yes-it-was-sarin-un-report-says-now-what
September 16, 2013
Peter Bouckaert
The UN experts report on the August 21 chemical weapons attack in Syria has few surprises for those of us who have been investigating that deadly attack.
The UN experts collected clear and convincing evidence that surface-to-surface rockets containing the nerve agent Sarin were used in Ein Tarma, Moadamiya, and Zamalka in the Ghouta area of Damascus.
The experts mandate does not allow them to say who was responsible for the deadly barrage. But if you read between the lines, it isnt difficult to figure it out.
The rocket systems identified by the UN as used in the attack truck-launched 330mm rockets with around 50 to 60 liters of Sarin, as well as 140mm Soviet-produced rockets carrying a smaller Sarin-filled warhead are both known to be in the arsenal of the Syrian armed forces. They have never been seen in rebel hands. The amount of Sarin used in the attack hundreds of kilograms, according to Human Rights Watchs calculations also indicates government responsibility for the attack, as opposition forces have never been known to be in possession of such significant amounts of Sarin.
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http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/09/16/dispatches-yes-it-was-sarin-un-report-says-now-what
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U.N. Report: Chemical Weapons Use In Syria Confirmed, Details Point To Assad [View all]
ProSense
Sep 2013
OP
You Will Have A Hard Time, Sir, Finding Any Post By Me Calling For U.S. Bombing Of Syria
The Magistrate
Sep 2013
#6
I am having a hard time finding anything in your reply that opposes unilateral war on Syria.
Warren Stupidity
Sep 2013
#9
So Any Post That Observes Established Facts Supports Unilateral War, Sir?
The Magistrate
Sep 2013
#12
No, it was a question. A question you still have not clearly answered.
Warren Stupidity
Sep 2013
#20
I simply asked if, given the UN report, you support unilateral military action against Syria.
Warren Stupidity
Sep 2013
#29
Push That Far Enough, Sir, And You Are Just A Figment Of My Imagination....
The Magistrate
Sep 2013
#30
Just Because You Do Not Like It, Sir, Does Not Change That It Is an Answer
The Magistrate
Sep 2013
#35
So the closest you come to actually opposing unilateralism is this post:
Warren Stupidity
Sep 2013
#43
So when President Obama was proposing unilateral military action against Syria
Warren Stupidity
Sep 2013
#28
No that's fine. I'm glad you are against neocon unilateralism. We all should be.
Warren Stupidity
Sep 2013
#39
With a $20 billion+ / year Black Ops budget, I'd be SHOCKED if this were unraveled quickly.
Junkdrawer
Sep 2013
#50
This isn't my first dance. Anyone who thought they KNEW what happened 9/11/2001 on 9/30/2001....
Junkdrawer
Sep 2013
#53
It Is Always The Same Dance, Sir: Same Old Story, Same Old Song And Dance....
The Magistrate
Sep 2013
#56
In lieu of photographic evidence, they have an artist's rending of Assad carrying Sarin
rustydog
Sep 2013
#16
What you suggest bolsters the case for strikes. If Assad is no longer in control of
msanthrope
Sep 2013
#26
The point isn't to 'punish' Assad, but to ensure that chemical weapons aren't used by the
msanthrope
Sep 2013
#54
The absolving of Bashir Assad is a disgusting turn in this whole mess....I don't know
msanthrope
Sep 2013
#96
How does this change what should take place next, which was layed out in the OP I posted? n/t
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#61
The US, Russia and international community are working on what will "take place next."
ProSense
Sep 2013
#63
No, culpability was not part of the mandate, remember? What should take place next is just that:
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#66
Pretending what? You have no clue what you're doing here. I have presented to you
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#70
I posted an OP making the process clear, period...you're arguing with yourself.
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#74
I dismissed nothing, you presumed I was dismissing the UN report. The protocol is important
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#80
And the UNSC has not voted on his reponsibility, yet. Let them all do their job, that is the point
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#87
Nice! Now we can justify bombing the shit out of their civilians with conventional weapons
NoOneMan
Sep 2013
#57
Wait for the UN, wait for the UN .... I don't believe the UN. Here comes the bus.
pampango
Sep 2013
#76