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In reply to the discussion: Why the arguments of Obama's defenders leave many cold. [View all]mythology
(9,527 posts)81. Or the response of the falsely accused.
The original post was clearly meant to inflame and provoke emotional response, which it has.
If one wanted to parrot your smug addition comment, it could be said that the original post is like an abusive partner telling the abused that they get treated like that because they deserve it; i.e. supporting Barack Obama. Obviously this sort of insulting can go both ways.
Instead, why not elevate the discourse and speak with civility even toward those you disagree with?
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Right, I don't see why non supporters are still trying to convince us he's a terrible President
treestar
Dec 2011
#106
What is the country that most of the worlds emigres want to immigrate too? I'm totally unbiased, I
demosincebirth
Dec 2011
#308
I agree, President Obama inherited a lot of shit and sometimes I do not agree with some of his
akbacchus_BC
Dec 2011
#323
This is a Democratic refuge, the Obama refuge I've been told is called the BOG,
Lionessa
Dec 2011
#56
Then it is permissable for non-supporters of the leader of the Democratic Party to call those
Ikonoklast
Dec 2011
#67
I never called a poster that criticised Mr. Obama 'morally bankrupt' and an 'addict'.
Ikonoklast
Dec 2011
#204
exactly-- me too. I am not just disappointed with Obama, I am disgusted with him.
spooked911
Dec 2011
#361
I don't bookmark such trash, it is commonly done, most here have seen it & I was generally referring
StarsInHerHair
Dec 2011
#307
You were referring to *me* directly. You cannot back it up, so you deflect.
Ikonoklast
Dec 2011
#313
Republican Senators Push False Argument That Payroll Tax Cut Will Undermine Social Security
shellgame26
Dec 2011
#269
Replacing Social Security taxes with general fund revenues is what I personally object to.
JDPriestly
Dec 2011
#284
Not true. Democratic seniors groups are highly critical of the payroll tax cut
jtown1123
Feb 2012
#386
and here's what I don't understand about the unreasonable persons: They think that if they
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#216
Thank you so much for your thoughtful post. You understand what many of us need to be doing.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#232
He's not moving backwards. He's working within the constraints of a Congress that we gave him in
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#354
You're right. I was highly upset that he butted in the Blanche Lincoln race, so I agree with you
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#380
It was Bill Clinton that slammed liberals and unions for challenging Blanche Lincoln in a primary.
AtomicKitten
Feb 2012
#400
no if voters are moving away from Obama then he should realize he needs to win them back b4 they
StarsInHerHair
Dec 2011
#289
Yes, push him towards the action we want. But bitching on an online forum does NOT constitute
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#351
I really wish we extended Making Work Pay instead. Much better stimulus. n/t
jtown1123
Feb 2012
#391
You know your list of things is something that takes time...if you look at what it would take...
Evasporque
Feb 2012
#399
I saw a post hidden earlier today because a poster was called immature or something
Kahuna
Dec 2011
#255
Why can't we give valid complaints about Obama without being slammed or dismissed? And why....
Logical
Dec 2011
#113
Yes. Jpgray thinks we are morally bankrupt and contemptible. Thanks SO MUCH jpgray!
DevonRex
Dec 2011
#16
This thread is allowed to remain open. If I had started a thread like this questioning the moral
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#22
I've left DU and came back. I leave for a period, then come back. Were it not for BOG, I may think
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#224
it's not as if one couldn't be devised. A little policy discussion and then the hook
bigtree
Dec 2011
#30
I'm sorry but inane threads scolding people are allowed to stand here too. This is a reasoned
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#39
Fuck that shit. Calling Democrats morally contemptible and bankrupt is over the line.
DevonRex
Dec 2011
#40
you are totally mistaken about the "all or nothing" nature of being an Obabma supporter
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#59
I see poster after poster here assuming JP, I and others are not "supporters" because they believe
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#240
That is simply false, the OP speaks of 'defenders' not supporters and yet you rewrite and then
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2011
#102
And again, the Moderators haven't done anything about this. Had I started an OP calling Obama
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#233
& calling Dems Republicans or Republican-enablers is fine with you/or supporters in general
StarsInHerHair
Dec 2011
#291
no, it's a message from an Obama supporter abut how this 100% perfect rah rah rah stuff is
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#61
I know that some people right in this thread believe ANY criticism is out of line, and that somehow
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#241
my case on this thread is against the broad brush attacks against Obama supporters
bigtree
Dec 2011
#215
It has happened twice in the last several days when I have alerted threads like this, only to learn
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#212
I don't agree with most of what ProSense says, but namecalling is inappropriate.
AllyCat
Dec 2011
#122
I think it's a very clear and accurate analogy. Do you care to explain exactly why you disagree
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#13
okay, more name calling. You have confused "having issues" with being a "purist", LOL.
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#32
the denial part is when you refuse to acknowledge issuses, and just label the person a "purist",
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#43
the OP cites examples of a phenomenon here, and says SUPPORTof the Pres is GOOD, you ignore this
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#57
I'm expecting people to address the issues raised in the OP. instead of cherry picking a word
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#70
Yes, they would have ended if Obama had done nothing, BUT the unemployment benefits extention
Tx4obama
Dec 2011
#257
If Obama had the kind of Democrats that LBJ had, along with the supermajority that he did,
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#221
Tell it, Sabrina. Why aren't Obama supporters happy? They've got their president!
tblue
Dec 2011
#208
how many names did they call voting Dems? "professional Left, Retarded Left, Left Fringe"...add any
StarsInHerHair
Dec 2011
#299
See, this comment is part of the problem. What you are saying is that politicians
sabrina 1
Dec 2011
#222
easy enough to provide links then, so I & others can bookmark it, it can also be printed & put in
StarsInHerHair
Dec 2011
#303
Did you see any coverage of Obama's speech at Osawatomie, Kansas the other day?
emulatorloo
Dec 2011
#292
Fireside chats worked back then because the majority of people ONLY HAD A RADIO.
Tx4obama
Dec 2011
#260
in the DEPRESSION? no, radio worked because it was new & not yet controlled by monied interests
StarsInHerHair
Dec 2011
#305
Do you think that the folks that aren't watching his Weekly Address videos now
Tx4obama
Dec 2011
#309
Most things we consider lost are simply things we do not value enough to look for.
LanternWaste
Dec 2011
#364
As I noted upthread, that's all well and good but it is in NO WAY comparable to the magnitude of
Ron Green
Dec 2011
#365
And the cheer leaders are usually "Obama is Perfect" types and not reality based. No difference.
Logical
Dec 2011
#42
you are taking the "purist" approach and ignoring 2/3 of the OPs content. Calm down.
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#45
I will NOT fucking calm down after having been called morally contemptible and bankrupt & an addict
DevonRex
Dec 2011
#47
"however minor... is seized upon as a perfectly sane excuse to entirely abandon" rational discussion
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#73
"Obama's defenders are unassailable as regards what should be done in the next election."
nashville_brook
Dec 2011
#36
Yes! "we have a responsibility to steer our party in the direction of morally supportable policy"
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#49
i think there's a consumerist mentality that accepts pols "off the rack" as if there's no democracy
nashville_brook
Dec 2011
#273
This is the crudest, most hurtful, disgusting OP I've ever seen on DU re Obama supporters.
DevonRex
Dec 2011
#37
Yeah, have a valid discussion by labeling those on the other side 'morally bankrupt' and 'addicts'.
Ikonoklast
Dec 2011
#231
The president took office with a very weak Democratic majority in power. They didn't even impeach
Overseas
Dec 2011
#44
I'm sure if you (or anyone)had a rational response to the points made in the OP, it would have been
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#86
Yeah, the old "I'm sorry you were offended" bit that seems to be so heavily favored
Number23
Dec 2011
#178
When a thread begins the way this does and ends the way it does...there is no substance.
vaberella
Dec 2011
#186
wow, you really are having a hard time comprehending the OP. the part where Obama supporters can
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#236
he explained EXACTLY what he was thinking clearly and yet you refuse to discuss the issues.
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#79
have at it. Ron Paul is picking up a lot of youth support because Dems have kept their heads down,
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#99
another diversion, shucks. I thought you were actually going to critique the OP for a change!
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#109
Bingo. If the office of the President is as powerless as portrayed by his fans,
Edweird
Dec 2011
#58
...and few here are willing to admit the intellectual dishonesty the OP is refering too.
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#64
refusing to discuss the OP's point... about simply wanting to have it both ways, is bullshit.
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#76
I am an Obama supporter who is disgusted by the simple minded thought that it's 100% or 0....
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#83
the OP took the time to show big flaws in reasoning, you took time out to fling labels and dismiss.
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#95
wow, you have still no idea what the OP said, or are pretending not to. Good luck with that!
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#118
What is this weird habit you have of starting a sentence, then putting a quote in the middle,
Maven
Dec 2011
#259
Really? You're gonna go there? You realize that DU has a 'search' feature, don't you?
Edweird
Dec 2011
#116
This. I will vote for Obama, but work for those who are UNAFRAID to work towards my ideals.
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#88
And I don't understand why every disagreement along these lines is "squelching discussion."
Robb
Dec 2011
#92
it's perectly fine to call supporters cultists, morally bankrupt, on and on and on, yet STILL people
dionysus
Dec 2011
#105
Did you miss that the 'criticism' (aka insult) was directed at DU MEMBERS who are Obama supporters -
MH1
Dec 2011
#121
I am a defender who is offended. Yup - happy now? I figured it was pretty obvious.
MH1
Dec 2011
#173
What condescending crap. I hope you didn't devote a lot of time to it.
great white snark
Dec 2011
#96
Why do you think "the veto pen" gives the President much leverage at all? Why would Republicans care
BzaDem
Dec 2011
#143
I won't speak for the poster, but I would assume most people would greatly prefer 4 more years
BzaDem
Dec 2011
#168
you present a cogent and forceful argument here and in the OP -- those who refuse to hear
nashville_brook
Dec 2011
#276
If only I had a list of all the people who rec'd this trash they would go on my IGNORE list.
vaberella
Dec 2011
#180
That's funny--I thought many were left cold because they're Republicans, idiots, or worse...
TreasonousBastard
Dec 2011
#210
I want to rec this thread, but "morally bankrupt and contemptible" leaves me feeling cold.
DRoseDARs
Dec 2011
#218
Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between George Bush and Al Gore
greenman3610
Dec 2011
#234
"the better candidate will resemble Huntsman or Romney before too many elections"
Bolo Boffin
Dec 2011
#248
"What progressive goals would a Huntsman or a Romney advance us towards better than Obama?"
Pab Sungenis
Dec 2011
#335
"Obama is to the right of Bob Dole on many core issues." You're picking the "core" issues, right?
Bolo Boffin
Dec 2011
#339
If it's such a "powerless office" how come so many millions are spent to get to it?
begin_within
Dec 2011
#296
The OP is delusional in thinking anyone has suggested the President is powerless.
vaberella
Dec 2011
#324
Aside from being nothing more than an opportunity to insult those whom you either mischaracterize
patrice
Dec 2011
#321
That was a long essay, are you Nance Greggs opposite? No matter how you try to spin it,
akbacchus_BC
Dec 2011
#322
His defenders seem to think is is many things other than the anti equality dogma
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2011
#334
Have been thinking about what this & a few other things, lately, mean about DU3.
patrice
Dec 2011
#359
I won't forget the "They are(Obama supporters), morally bankrupt and contemptible.", remark
NNN0LHI
Feb 2012
#385
I won't forget it either. Ever. Or who said it. And that Admin condoned leaving this post alone.
DevonRex
Feb 2012
#405
So it's okay by the jury to namecall now?....("addicts"; "contemptible"; "morally bankrupt")?
Tarheel_Dem
Feb 2012
#414