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KoKo

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6. [b]The Unknown Unknowns[/b]
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:22 AM
Sep 2013

(This is a long but well-written article putting into context how overwhelming this surveillance of all of us has become. And, what we don't know because the technology is moving so fast. This snip is from the end of the article)

The Unknown Unknowns

Note that we’ve only begun a tour through the ways in which American privacy is currently under assault by our own government. Other examples abound. There is E-Verify’s proposed giant “right-to-work” list of everyone eligible to work in the United States. There are law enforcement agencies that actively monitor social media sites like Facebook and Twitter. There are the Department of Homeland Security’s research and development efforts to create cameras armed with almost omniscient facial recognition technology, not to speak of passports issued with radio frequency identification technology. There are networked surveillance camera feeds that flow into government systems. There is NSA surveillance data that’s finding its way into domestic drug investigations, which is then hidden by the DEA from defense lawyers, prosecutors, and the courts to ensure the surveillance data stream continues unchallenged.

And here’s the thing: this is only what we know about. As former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld once put it, “there are also unknown unknowns -- there are things we do not know we don't know.” It would be the height of naïveté to believe that government organizations across this country -- from the federal to the municipal level -- aren’t engaged in other secret and shocking privacy intrusions that have yet to be revealed to us. If the last few months have taught us anything, it should be that we are in a world of unknown unknowns.

Today, government agencies act as if they deserve the benefit of the doubt as they secretly do things ripped from the pages of science-fiction novels. Once upon a time, that’s not how things were to run in a land where people prized their right to be let alone and government of the people, by the people, and for the people was supposed to operate in the open. The government understands this perfectly well: Why else would its law enforcement agents and officers regularly go to remarkable lengths, sometimes at remarkable cost, to conceal their actions from the rest of us and the legal system that is supposed to oversee their acts? Which is why whistleblowers like Edward Snowden are so important: they mount the last line of defense when the powers-that-be get too accustomed to operating in the dark.


Without our very own Snowdens working in the county sheriff’s departments or big city police departments or behemoth federal bureaucracies, especially with the world of newspapers capsizing, the unknowns are ever more likely to stay unknown, while what little privacy we have left vanishes.

It Won't Change Until Americans Have Had Enough cantbeserious Sep 2013 #1
Yep. Gormy Cuss Sep 2013 #22
Unfortunately when they have had enough it will be long too late to do anything. former9thward Sep 2013 #37
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Sep 2013 #2
AutoCommonDreamsDURec KG Sep 2013 #3
Two philosophies in conflict with really high stakes: Pholus Sep 2013 #4
Internet - The Aerosol Can of the 21st Century Johnny Ready Sep 2013 #5
EVERYTHING is created before the effect to society is completely understood. randome Sep 2013 #25
[b]The Unknown Unknowns[/b] KoKo Sep 2013 #6
In the last week, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #7
While the invasion of my privacy is not an issue I would change my vote to Romney .... marble falls Sep 2013 #9
yea Romney and the GOP would be doing things alot different! Cryptoad Sep 2013 #14
But the Democrats would be doing something very different if Romney were POTUS Fumesucker Sep 2013 #23
Love those Circular Red Herrings,,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #29
More satire, eh? Fumesucker Sep 2013 #31
maybe you will make it,,,,, I will keep my little toad toes crossed for ya! Cryptoad Sep 2013 #33
Reading comprehension much? I loathe Romney. I support the President except on privacy.... marble falls Sep 2013 #36
Obama Haters' seems to crop up in almost every post you make. Autumn Sep 2013 #18
Please reread my comment. I support the Presient except on privacy, Gitmo and..... marble falls Sep 2013 #39
I think your response was meant for crypttoad. Autumn Sep 2013 #41
Sorry! Even gentle critisism of the President brings down a raft of tone deaf .... marble falls Sep 2013 #43
Some genius is going to have to invent the concept of "private internets." MADem Sep 2013 #8
Like connecting directly to the cloud with almost no computer - all you'd need is a screen and ... marble falls Sep 2013 #10
I had a discussion with a military planner - scholar about "virtual reality" MADem Sep 2013 #16
even a direct ip connection has an isp that gathers info & sells that info. Sunlei Sep 2013 #20
Maybe "personal servers". rrneck Sep 2013 #13
My technical skills are probably less honed than yours! MADem Sep 2013 #19
Mesh Net, is what you are talking about. n/t TheJames Sep 2013 #27
Sounds good to me! nt MADem Sep 2013 #28
Are we throwing years of "Keep the Internet Public" out the window???? Cryptoad Sep 2013 #15
Well, that IS a consideration. Perhaps there could be multiple levels of "internet." MADem Sep 2013 #21
The Internet doesn't work that way. jeff47 Sep 2013 #24
And that's how the phone used to work. You picked up the receiver, you cranked the crank, and MADem Sep 2013 #26
No, phones didn't work that way. jeff47 Sep 2013 #30
Not in 1920 it wasn't. MADem Sep 2013 #45
Yes, it really was. jeff47 Sep 2013 #61
I'm afraid you just are not taking my point, for reasons I can't quite fathom. MADem Sep 2013 #62
That's because you aren't bothering to actually read my posts. jeff47 Sep 2013 #65
Your construct involves "the internet" to make the connection, though. MADem Sep 2013 #67
And that's why your construct won't work. jeff47 Sep 2013 #69
No point in continuing this conversation. MADem Sep 2013 #70
I'm not the one locked in jeff47 Sep 2013 #73
Immediate gratification wasn't ever my point. MADem Sep 2013 #74
I'm setting no parameters jeff47 Sep 2013 #75
Well, yeah--you are. Today/for free/the internet are parameters. MADem Sep 2013 #76
No, they're not. I'm using the one condition you started with. jeff47 Sep 2013 #78
I think you need to reread what I wrote, originally. MADem Sep 2013 #79
Depends on what you mean by "an end-to-end single electrical circuit." FarCenter Sep 2013 #49
Funny, though, how many cranks ended up on the interweb! marble falls Sep 2013 #44
OK, you win the thread....! MADem Sep 2013 #46
Yea in a fantasy world Cryptoad Sep 2013 #32
Feel free to provide links. jeff47 Sep 2013 #34
Any commerical OS can provide a backdoor....... Cryptoad Sep 2013 #35
No. jeff47 Sep 2013 #38
No,, just the voice of experience ,,,,,,,,, nt Cryptoad Sep 2013 #40
You can sort of do that now FarCenter Sep 2013 #48
Yes, but what I envision would be much less onerous. MADem Sep 2013 #50
K&R but make no mistake, it's not the technology. Like so many previous wrong turns, Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #11
hi MichaelKelley Sep 2013 #12
Keeping out the prying eyes of the government isn't enough. LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #17
why do I need this? hfojvt Sep 2013 #42
Well, I'm all for the "safety nannies" who tell people to not drink and text while driving. MADem Sep 2013 #47
well who isn't? hfojvt Sep 2013 #52
Well, if your head hit the pavement and you had no medical insurance.... MADem Sep 2013 #53
and yet, for all those people might care about me hfojvt Sep 2013 #55
Wow. MADem Sep 2013 #56
I am pretty sure hfojvt Sep 2013 #58
Again, wow. MADem Sep 2013 #59
The line between care and control is a fine one. Pholus Sep 2013 #60
I just had a loved one killed by someone who felt the rules didn't apply to them. MADem Sep 2013 #63
Sorry to hear that. Pholus Sep 2013 #71
I just don't see any relation between texting and abortion. MADem Sep 2013 #72
So money is greater than freedoms? Where does that stop? What you eat, drink, etc? The Straight Story Sep 2013 #66
Way to miss the point. MADem Sep 2013 #68
There are differences, as you must be able to see. Savannahmann Sep 2013 #51
except there is, or should be hfojvt Sep 2013 #54
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #57
K & R Quantess Sep 2013 #64
The intent of those who wrote and adopted the US Constitution could not be clearer 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #77
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