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Cerridwen

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22. The poster referred to "America."

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 11:47 PM

Oct 2013

I stayed with that point.

I mentioned fact(s), not truth(s). They are not the same.

Being "influenced" by something is not the same as "truth." One's perception may have nothing to do with fact or truth.

You are conflating the two, or three or four. Fact, influence, truth, perceptions.

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Greenwald: Approve or Disapprove? [View all] JackRiddler Oct 2013 OP

Exposure 1-Old-Man Oct 2013 #1

Valerie Plame: What are your thoughts on the leaks of Edward Snowden? bananas Oct 2013 #44

''...that power of information is astounding...'' Octafish Oct 2013 #53

Makes you wonder how many supported Robert Novak. Hmmmmm. adirondacker Oct 2013 #71

Here's one of his many finest moments, BBC JackRiddler Oct 2013 #80

WOW! That was an excellent watch. adirondacker Oct 2013 #113

I'm going to reserve judgment until I read Glenn's excoriation of the Right for the shutdown..... msanthrope Oct 2013 #2

+1 joshcryer Oct 2013 #4

LOL. Good luck with that. Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #10

Why should he? teabaggers not his beat..n/t 2banon Oct 2013 #33

To give a loyalty oath to Democrats. JackRiddler Oct 2013 #46

+ 1000. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #82

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #3

Without question, his works and words have been good for this nation. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2013 #5

He's a big old meaniebutt!!! QC Oct 2013 #6

Hooray! More votes! JackRiddler Oct 2013 #7

Can you list some examples? Is he an artist or something? leftstreet Oct 2013 #8

He does impersonations. randome Oct 2013 #9

Yes, he impersonates real journalists. It's hard to absorb since we don't have too many sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #48

Simple enough poll... JackRiddler Oct 2013 #11

Good (nt) bigwillq Oct 2013 #12

Are we voting for prom king? BainsBane Oct 2013 #13

You, maybe. JackRiddler Oct 2013 #14

This exemplifies perfectly BainsBane Oct 2013 #18

As you wish... JackRiddler Oct 2013 #28

Think of it as a discussion of journalism then. sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #49

I listened to all of his lectures or book tours before the snowden story broke. Introduced here xiamiam Oct 2013 #15

Neither. None. Which question are you asking? Cerridwen Oct 2013 #16

Fact: JackRiddler Oct 2013 #17

Fact #1: Not one person, you, I, or another DUer Cerridwen Oct 2013 #19

Not on an individual basis but as a group we come closer to knowing. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #21

The poster referred to "America." Cerridwen Oct 2013 #22

Would America and the world for that matter be debating FISA's mass collection of metadata Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #24

You and the OP seem to be of the opinion, Cerridwen Oct 2013 #25

I never said you were anti-Greenwald, I simply asked your opinion as to whether you believe Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #26

No. You did not "simply ask" my opinion. Cerridwen Oct 2013 #27

No, I didn't, I asked a simple straightforward question and I never implied anything in either of my Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #45

What you say is a general criticism of "approval" polls. JackRiddler Oct 2013 #30

No it wasn't. I specifically noted this OP. Cerridwen Oct 2013 #32

What do you expect? JackRiddler Oct 2013 #39

I can answer your questions, which are similar to questions I ask myself sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #50

Greenwald has an agenda: it is to split voters away from the major parties and get them to vote struggle4progress Oct 2013 #20

I always enjoy your remote viewing talents. JackRiddler Oct 2013 #31

Greenwald is on tape pushing exactly this libertarian organizing tactic in November 2010 struggle4progress Oct 2013 #51

Since you make an unsupported assertion readers would have to read your mind to know Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #84

I've posted links on that dozens of times in recent years. Here are a couple of examples struggle4progress Oct 2013 #95

I would be interested in hearing this tape, or reading its transcript. Vanje Oct 2013 #93

Neither: GG is a distraction. He is, in effect, the publisher and if he didn't publish grantcart Oct 2013 #23

Really? Hundreds would have done it? JackRiddler Oct 2013 #29

lol that's pretty funny. You do realize that GG wasn't the 1st contact and he had already leaked grantcart Oct 2013 #34

Laura Poitras was working with Greenwald. JackRiddler Oct 2013 #35

That's not true and you obviously didn't read the NPR article grantcart Oct 2013 #36

Your assumptions are endless. JackRiddler Oct 2013 #38

Yuck. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #41

No, I wonder if *you* read the article properly muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #55

Bravo for the complete treatment. JackRiddler Oct 2013 #112

There are a whole lot of assumptions in your comment. Eg, I've seen this phrase sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #42

Some hate Greenwald so they say GG and characterize anyone who supports him Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #87

Truth vs Government Press Release Octafish Oct 2013 #37

I first started reading him because of DUers who attacked him for being gay Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #40

Anyone, who attacked Greenwald for being gay, didn't last long here at DU struggle4progress Oct 2013 #52

The person who repeatedly referred to him by a woman's name QC Oct 2013 #91

Made incredibly stupid mistakes in reporting an incredibly important story Recursion Oct 2013 #43

puh-lease..nt xiamiam Oct 2013 #47

Hm, wonder why... JackRiddler Oct 2013 #54

David Korn- Mother Jones. KittyWampus Oct 2013 #100

Well? Please give an example... JackRiddler Oct 2013 #56

Can't come up with a better journalist? JackRiddler Oct 2013 #57

Anyone who wouldn't make absurd claims like "the NSA can watch you as you type" Recursion Oct 2013 #58

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Yes, that's me quoting Greenwald who was quoting Snowden Recursion Oct 2013 #60

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It cannot be used to get real-time keystrokes from arbitrary Internet users Recursion Oct 2013 #62

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Cannot. Real-time keystrokes are not even transmitted Recursion Oct 2013 #64

NAME ONE!!! JackRiddler Oct 2013 #65

Name one what? I don't understand your question Recursion Oct 2013 #66

You: "I wish a better journalist had gotten the scoop." JackRiddler Oct 2013 #67

I don't care who; someone who would have done some basic technical fact-checking on that Recursion Oct 2013 #68

That's the problem. You "don't care who." JackRiddler Oct 2013 #69

Yawn Recursion Oct 2013 #70

Fantastic! My, you are so well connected! JackRiddler Oct 2013 #73

I'm still not understanding your question Recursion Oct 2013 #75

Is your point that only Greenwald would have "dared" to run with that? Recursion Oct 2013 #76

My point is you made a comparative statement. JackRiddler Oct 2013 #79

Why are you making this about the journalists rather than the journalism? Recursion Oct 2013 #81

Because you're exposing yourself. JackRiddler Oct 2013 #89

I don't have any nationally important journalists on my Rolodex, Vanje Oct 2013 #96

Beeeee-yootiful! JackRiddler Oct 2013 #106

thanks for pressing this point. xiamiam Oct 2013 #97

LOL DAVID KORN. There's one. For a starter. You've exposed yourself and the reason for your thread. KittyWampus Oct 2013 #104

Would David Gregory have broken story? Vanje Oct 2013 #98

I can come up with a number of better journalists who are actually journalists. KittyWampus Oct 2013 #101

What mistakes did he make? And who would a 'better journalist' be sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #90

Bravo! JackRiddler Oct 2013 #107

Just another louse on the body politic. ucrdem Oct 2013 #72

Speaking of Godwin's Law... JackRiddler Oct 2013 #74

... you just invoked it. C'est fini. n/t ucrdem Oct 2013 #77

Good in some ways, bad in others. eom tarheelsunc Oct 2013 #78

I'm of two minds on him. JNelson6563 Oct 2013 #83

Greenwald's "victimhood Vanje Oct 2013 #99

It's been there long before NSA JNelson6563 Oct 2013 #108

I just think it's a personality cult Doctor_J Oct 2013 #85

Ye shall know them by their insults. They call Greenwald 'GG' now that admins don't let Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #88

"For weeks they all called him by a woman's name"- gross exaggeration. KittyWampus Oct 2013 #102

Really, is the BOG on this thread in full attack mode? I have been surveying this thread KittyWampus Oct 2013 #103

Sorry. I meant the president's fan club. They may or may not be BOGers. Doctor_J Oct 2013 #105

I guess that is what makes DU so inclusive. Jakes Progress Oct 2013 #86

Well, that was when there was no Third Way/DLC, the right wingization of the sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #109

I chose 'pass' War Horse Oct 2013 #92

I think he's a pompous ass. MirrorAshes Oct 2013 #94

Sure. Except for the balls part. JackRiddler Oct 2013 #110

As of Oct 8, the results... JackRiddler Oct 2013 #111

He's back in the news, damn him. JackRiddler Oct 2013 #114

Reviving May 14, 2014, because... JackRiddler May 2014 #115