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In reply to the discussion: Greenwald: Approve or Disapprove? [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(102,547 posts)55. No, I wonder if *you* read the article properly
Point one: that article doesn't mention Greenwald by name (though it's only 'highlights' of the audio; but he's not in the transcript either). But he is clearly the the third journalist. Gellman does not, despite what you think, say that the third journalist was brought in after Poitras and Gellman.
Point two: Snowden contacted Greenwald before Poitras - but because Greenwald didn't show enough interest, he turned to Poitras instead (who knew Greenwald). From the NYT article about Poitras:
Poitras was not Snowdens first choice as the person to whom he wanted to leak thousands of N.S.A. documents. In fact, a month before contacting her, he reached out to Greenwald, who had written extensively and critically about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the erosion of civil liberties in the wake of 9/11. Snowden anonymously sent him an e-mail saying he had documents he wanted to share, and followed that up with a step-by-step guide on how to encrypt communications, which Greenwald ignored. Snowden then sent a link to an encryption video, also to no avail.
Its really annoying and complicated, the encryption software, Greenwald said as we sat on his porch during a tropical drizzle. He kept harassing me, but at some point he just got frustrated, so he went to Laura.
Snowden had read Greenwalds article about Poitrass troubles at U.S. airports and knew she was making a film about the governments surveillance programs; he had also seen a short documentary about the N.S.A. that she made for The New York Times Op-Docs. He figured that she would understand the programs he wanted to leak about and would know how to communicate in a secure way.
By late winter, Poitras decided that the stranger with whom she was communicating was credible. There were none of the provocations that she would expect from a government agent no requests for information about the people she was in touch with, no questions about what she was working on. Snowden told her early on that she would need to work with someone else, and that she should reach out to Greenwald. She was unaware that Snowden had already tried to contact Greenwald, and Greenwald would not realize until he met Snowden in Hong Kong that this was the person who had contacted him more than six months earlier.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/magazine/laura-poitras-snowden.html?pagewanted=5&_r=0
Its really annoying and complicated, the encryption software, Greenwald said as we sat on his porch during a tropical drizzle. He kept harassing me, but at some point he just got frustrated, so he went to Laura.
Snowden had read Greenwalds article about Poitrass troubles at U.S. airports and knew she was making a film about the governments surveillance programs; he had also seen a short documentary about the N.S.A. that she made for The New York Times Op-Docs. He figured that she would understand the programs he wanted to leak about and would know how to communicate in a secure way.
By late winter, Poitras decided that the stranger with whom she was communicating was credible. There were none of the provocations that she would expect from a government agent no requests for information about the people she was in touch with, no questions about what she was working on. Snowden told her early on that she would need to work with someone else, and that she should reach out to Greenwald. She was unaware that Snowden had already tried to contact Greenwald, and Greenwald would not realize until he met Snowden in Hong Kong that this was the person who had contacted him more than six months earlier.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/magazine/laura-poitras-snowden.html?pagewanted=5&_r=0
So now you know why Snowden chose Greenwald; because he admired the work he'd done. Poitras was more receptive, but it was Snowden who suggested she work with Greenwald - whom she already knew well. Despite what you claim in the thread you started, Snowden did not choose Gellman - Poitras brought him in.
he had already leaked material that was widely distributed long before he "came out" publicly with GG. Greenwald did not "break" the story, only the identity.
No. This is completely wrong. Greenwald went, with Poitras, to Hong Kong (and with a Guardian staff journalist) and conducted the face-to-face interviews with Snowden, before anything was published by anybody. Shortly after that, Greenwald also published the story naming Snowden.
But if you think Greenwald is a distraction, then I think you should talk to those on DU who have engaged in protracted character assassination of him (eg saying that him writing a book shows that he can't be trusted as a reporter). It is they who made thread after thread trying to make the story about Greenwald.
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I'm going to reserve judgment until I read Glenn's excoriation of the Right for the shutdown.....
msanthrope
Oct 2013
#2
Yes, he impersonates real journalists. It's hard to absorb since we don't have too many
sabrina 1
Oct 2013
#48
I listened to all of his lectures or book tours before the snowden story broke. Introduced here
xiamiam
Oct 2013
#15
Would America and the world for that matter be debating FISA's mass collection of metadata
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#24
I never said you were anti-Greenwald, I simply asked your opinion as to whether you believe
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#26
No, I didn't, I asked a simple straightforward question and I never implied anything in either of my
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#45
Greenwald has an agenda: it is to split voters away from the major parties and get them to vote
struggle4progress
Oct 2013
#20
Greenwald is on tape pushing exactly this libertarian organizing tactic in November 2010
struggle4progress
Oct 2013
#51
Since you make an unsupported assertion readers would have to read your mind to know
Bluenorthwest
Oct 2013
#84
I've posted links on that dozens of times in recent years. Here are a couple of examples
struggle4progress
Oct 2013
#95
Neither: GG is a distraction. He is, in effect, the publisher and if he didn't publish
grantcart
Oct 2013
#23
lol that's pretty funny. You do realize that GG wasn't the 1st contact and he had already leaked
grantcart
Oct 2013
#34
There are a whole lot of assumptions in your comment. Eg, I've seen this phrase
sabrina 1
Oct 2013
#42
Some hate Greenwald so they say GG and characterize anyone who supports him
Bluenorthwest
Oct 2013
#87
I first started reading him because of DUers who attacked him for being gay
Bluenorthwest
Oct 2013
#40
Anyone, who attacked Greenwald for being gay, didn't last long here at DU
struggle4progress
Oct 2013
#52
Anyone who wouldn't make absurd claims like "the NSA can watch you as you type"
Recursion
Oct 2013
#58
I don't care who; someone who would have done some basic technical fact-checking on that
Recursion
Oct 2013
#68
LOL DAVID KORN. There's one. For a starter. You've exposed yourself and the reason for your thread.
KittyWampus
Oct 2013
#104
I can come up with a number of better journalists who are actually journalists.
KittyWampus
Oct 2013
#101
Ye shall know them by their insults. They call Greenwald 'GG' now that admins don't let
Bluenorthwest
Oct 2013
#88
Really, is the BOG on this thread in full attack mode? I have been surveying this thread
KittyWampus
Oct 2013
#103
Well, that was when there was no Third Way/DLC, the right wingization of the
sabrina 1
Oct 2013
#109