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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 01:35 AM Oct 2013

The ACA deductibles cap the providers' losses [View all]

The fact of the matter is that one of the things driving up the cost of health care for everyone are the unreimbursed expenses run up by people who have no health insurance.

What a $5K deductible means - on the other side of the equation - is that when a patient comes through the door, the hospital is looking at a maximum $5K loss.

Back when I was much younger, and my income was $12K a year, I had an event which incurred a $7500 hospital bill.

They chased me for a while over it, but the fact of the matter was that I was a grad student with no money, and I spent some time after that making $45 a day as a substitute teacher for a while after that. I don't know if things have changed, but there was no finance charge on that debt, and by the time I had real employment, the time had expired for it to be collectible anyway. After seven years, it dropped off my credit report.

Yeah, with high deductibles, some people are going to get bills they can't pay. You know what they are going to do? Not pay them. The upside - for everyone else - is that everything ABOVE that deductible WILL be paid.

The other consequence of that dynamic is that it will be a lot easier to negotiate away those bills. Let's say you run the hospital finance department. Someone racked up $50K for something, and they had a $5K deductible. You get $45K from the insurance company, and bill the guy $5K. You find out the guy has no money and can't pay the $5K. What are you going to do:

(A) Spend your staff time bugging a guy with no money for $5K

(B) Spend $1K on a law firm to get a default judgment the guy can't pay

(C) Sell it to a collection agency for $1K and they can try to collect until the statutory limit expires

(D) write it off as a 5K loss and take the tax benefit

If you answered (D), then congratulations, you just improved the bottom line.

At the end of the day, the hospital got $45K on a $50K bill, which is a lot better for the hospital - and everybody else - than getting 0 on a $50K bill.

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I don't give a shit about a hospital's bottom line leftstreet Oct 2013 #1
Whoosh.... jberryhill Oct 2013 #2
Provider losses are a myth leftstreet Oct 2013 #4
Even that reinforces the point, though jberryhill Oct 2013 #8
The average person DOES have insurance though leftstreet Oct 2013 #9
Stabilized and discharged is not the same as treatment jberryhill Oct 2013 #10
?? leftstreet Oct 2013 #11
You should. Ms. Toad Oct 2013 #3
Sorry, that's a myth leftstreet Oct 2013 #5
Hospitals are mandated to provide emergency care Ms. Toad Oct 2013 #23
Correct. And most collections are people with insurance leftstreet Oct 2013 #25
You would be wrong Ms. Toad Oct 2013 #28
So we'll look forward to hospitals lowering prices leftstreet Oct 2013 #29
Many things contribute to the cost of medical care Ms. Toad Oct 2013 #30
Bingo jberryhill Oct 2013 #6
Fine with me. Helps me, too, by limiting my losses if I need medical care. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #7
You can "write it off as a loss," but you get nothing for that. Hoyt Oct 2013 #12
They will come after your house if you own one though and in a heartbeat. Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #13
Let's say the hospital charges $1,000,000 and the guys deductible is $5000. dkf Oct 2013 #14
Since the insurance co gets to keep 15%-20% of the total it's a win-win for them when prices rise Fumesucker Oct 2013 #15
Exactly. This is going to be like college expenses soon. dkf Oct 2013 #16
Except, when you and I go to the exchange we are likely to buy policy Hoyt Oct 2013 #22
But for the fact that the insurance market is more competitive jberryhill Oct 2013 #38
Insurance (and Medicare/Medicaid) Revanchist Oct 2013 #17
It's negotiated via contract. dkf Oct 2013 #18
You can't negotiation with HHS Revanchist Oct 2013 #19
If insurance companies laughed in the face of hospitals it wouldn't be so expensive. dkf Oct 2013 #20
You haven't spent much time reading your insurance EOBs, have you. Ms. Toad Oct 2013 #24
Why would they write it off, when they can sell it to a collection agency? Travis_0004 Oct 2013 #21
More than just the deductible madville Oct 2013 #26
I believe that you have mixed up deductibles and caps grantcart Oct 2013 #27
That's not the point jberryhill Oct 2013 #31
No, it's the Out of pocket maximum Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #32
If its a deductible then there is no risk for not getting paid grantcart Oct 2013 #33
If the bill is $15K, how much does the hospital risk? jberryhill Oct 2013 #34
Hospital or insurance company? grantcart Oct 2013 #36
Medical providers.... jberryhill Oct 2013 #37
Thank you for this post treestar Oct 2013 #35
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