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last1standing

(11,709 posts) Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:39 AM Oct 2013

Is it a crime to steal bread if you have no money for food? [View all]

I know it's illegal but is it a crime?

If one can separate laws from justice then I believe that stealing bread if you have no money for food is not a crime, no matter how illegal the government make it. There is no justice in letting the poor starve.

What do you think?

22 votes, 2 passes \| Time left: Unlimited
	It's Illegal and a Crime.
	6 (27%)
	It's Illegal but not a Crime
	15 (68%)
	What the Hell are you Talking About?
	1 (5%)
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Is it a crime to steal bread if you have no money for food? [View all] last1standing Oct 2013 OP

Here is the thread that prompted this poll. last1standing Oct 2013 #1

Stealing is different than a public fountain. Nt Logical Oct 2013 #4

Obviously the state of Ohio disagrees with you. last1standing Oct 2013 #12

The state of Ohio or her particular county? JVS Oct 2013 #31

I'm not sure. last1standing Oct 2013 #33

Well, there's no "bread stealing" involved there. MADem Oct 2013 #5

In the eyes of the State of Ohio there is no difference. last1standing Oct 2013 #15

Lovely, indeed, how you "know" so much. MADem Oct 2013 #70

I believe that "just saying" that poor people use their money to buy drugs is dispicable. last1standing Oct 2013 #71

"Just saying" that what you are doing is called goading and baiting in polite society. MADem Oct 2013 #73

I love how anyone who calls out your attempts to villianize the poor is disrupting. last1standing Oct 2013 #75

Is this your video? MADem Oct 2013 #77

Gee, it seems to me someone wrote a novel about that frazzled Oct 2013 #2

It's cliche but makes the point. last1standing Oct 2013 #3

It was. Then, some Australians ended up singing about it. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #21

If something is not illegal, it's not a crime. rrneck Oct 2013 #6

It is both. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #7

+1 (nt) NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #10

+1 dionysus Oct 2013 #13

You're right but unfortunately that isn't how things work. last1standing Oct 2013 #16

It is illegal and it is a crime. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #20

No, it is not a crime to hold a doctor at gunpoint to perform a life-saving operation... last1standing Oct 2013 #26

Then we will not agree. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #27

You're right, we'll never agree on this. last1standing Oct 2013 #29

Likely we disagree because you are confusing a variety of things. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #32

LOL! I'm confusing nothing. Let's not get rude here. last1standing Oct 2013 #34

I wasn't being rude. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #38

The entire premise of this discussion is the attempt to separate the two. last1standing Oct 2013 #41

You cannot separate the two. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #44

Perhaps we both misread each other's posts. last1standing Oct 2013 #47

Yes, it appear we both misread the other's intention in the post. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #51

Exactly! This society is failing more and more of its people and few seem to care. last1standing Oct 2013 #53

The way to accomplish this is through a change in laws. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #58

We definitely have to do what we can for social justice. last1standing Oct 2013 #60

didn't used to be that way Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #54

Those evil trial lawyers. last1standing Oct 2013 #55

people sue over the stupidest things Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #56

Yes, "people" sue, and they're usually thrown out of court. If they ever get that far. last1standing Oct 2013 #57

lawyers are no different Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #61

So what tort did the trial lawyers allege that caused these donations to stop? last1standing Oct 2013 #62

the exposure Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #63

Care to link an article? last1standing Oct 2013 #65

When I worked in fast food places, this was also the case. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #59

"In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike . . . Journeyman Oct 2013 #8

Very appropriate in this thread. last1standing Oct 2013 #30

Great fucking quote. Nt. Hosnon Oct 2013 #36

It is not a crime if you start a corporation to do it The Straight Story Oct 2013 #9

Your problem lies in deviating law from justice in this case. flvegan Oct 2013 #11

Aside from which "necessity" is an affirmative defense jberryhill Oct 2013 #23

I sincerely doubt anyone gvstn Oct 2013 #14

I would agree that people throwing a few coins into a fountain probably wouldn't want to prosecute. last1standing Oct 2013 #17

It should be illegal but should be less than a slap on the wrist coldmountain Oct 2013 #18

Will a slap on the wrist teach her how not to be hungry or not to do anything about it? last1standing Oct 2013 #19

It is illegal and a crime and if I'm on your jury, you're walking. dimbear Oct 2013 #22

i refuse to call taking food that you need to eat because you are starving CreekDog Oct 2013 #24

It may not be a crime, but it's a bad idea to steal Bread albums when you have no food Ken Burch Oct 2013 #25

A crime? Yes. Immoral? Only if you steal it from a starving person. nt Deep13 Oct 2013 #28

Isn't it both by definition? Hosnon Oct 2013 #35

The idea is to separate the law from justice. last1standing Oct 2013 #40

"If breaking a law is illegal then doing something ethically wrong would be unjust or criminal." Hosnon Oct 2013 #45

I think the problem is my use of the word "crime." last1standing Oct 2013 #48

Oxford dictionary definition of crime: 1. an action or omission which constitutes an offence and is Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #37

For this discussion the idea is to use the second definition. last1standing Oct 2013 #42

Illegal and a crime if you go strictly by law. That's what I based my vote on. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #39

The idea is to separate conceptof law from that of justice if that is possible.. last1standing Oct 2013 #43

Gotta eat to live, gotta steal to eat BarackTheVote Oct 2013 #46

It is both. It is unethical and immoral unless help cannot be found elsewhere. Skip Intro Oct 2013 #49

The way I see it, the rich steal from the poor everyday through low wages, hoarding cash, and gtar100 Oct 2013 #50

Well said. last1standing Oct 2013 #52

Do you hear adieu Oct 2013 #64

It is in front of Judge Judy... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #66

I've never seen the show but I've heard that kind of thing about her before. last1standing Oct 2013 #67

More like the "being poor is irresponsible" message.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #69

What the hell, if you have no money for food and you are starving, you steal money! Coyotl Oct 2013 #68

Illegal, and a crime. (I think this is a tautology). Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #72

I don't know how pipi_k Oct 2013 #74

I guess, technically it is. ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #76

By definition, it is a crime.... Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #78

I'm sure it depends on who you ask. Left2Tackle Oct 2013 #79

A starving person over-rides anybody's sense of outrage or thirst for revenge. BlueJazz Oct 2013 #80