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last1standing

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16. You're right but unfortunately that isn't how things work.

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 01:02 AM

Oct 2013

According to Endhunger.org, up to 40% of the food in the United States is wasted. When you consider the amount of overeating, we could likely feed an entire other country the size of the US if we managed our food efficiently.

http://endhunger.org/food_waste.htm

However, this isn't what happens so is it a crime to steal food if the choice is between life and death? Even if not near the point of starvation, is it a crime to take sustenance from a society that has failed you?

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Is it a crime to steal bread if you have no money for food? [View all] last1standing Oct 2013 OP

Here is the thread that prompted this poll. last1standing Oct 2013 #1

Stealing is different than a public fountain. Nt Logical Oct 2013 #4

Obviously the state of Ohio disagrees with you. last1standing Oct 2013 #12

The state of Ohio or her particular county? JVS Oct 2013 #31

I'm not sure. last1standing Oct 2013 #33

Well, there's no "bread stealing" involved there. MADem Oct 2013 #5

In the eyes of the State of Ohio there is no difference. last1standing Oct 2013 #15

Lovely, indeed, how you "know" so much. MADem Oct 2013 #70

I believe that "just saying" that poor people use their money to buy drugs is dispicable. last1standing Oct 2013 #71

"Just saying" that what you are doing is called goading and baiting in polite society. MADem Oct 2013 #73

I love how anyone who calls out your attempts to villianize the poor is disrupting. last1standing Oct 2013 #75

Is this your video? MADem Oct 2013 #77

Gee, it seems to me someone wrote a novel about that frazzled Oct 2013 #2

It's cliche but makes the point. last1standing Oct 2013 #3

It was. Then, some Australians ended up singing about it. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #21

If something is not illegal, it's not a crime. rrneck Oct 2013 #6

It is both. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #7

+1 (nt) NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #10

+1 dionysus Oct 2013 #13

You're right but unfortunately that isn't how things work. last1standing Oct 2013 #16

It is illegal and it is a crime. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #20

No, it is not a crime to hold a doctor at gunpoint to perform a life-saving operation... last1standing Oct 2013 #26

Then we will not agree. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #27

You're right, we'll never agree on this. last1standing Oct 2013 #29

Likely we disagree because you are confusing a variety of things. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #32

LOL! I'm confusing nothing. Let's not get rude here. last1standing Oct 2013 #34

I wasn't being rude. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #38

The entire premise of this discussion is the attempt to separate the two. last1standing Oct 2013 #41

You cannot separate the two. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #44

Perhaps we both misread each other's posts. last1standing Oct 2013 #47

Yes, it appear we both misread the other's intention in the post. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #51

Exactly! This society is failing more and more of its people and few seem to care. last1standing Oct 2013 #53

The way to accomplish this is through a change in laws. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #58

We definitely have to do what we can for social justice. last1standing Oct 2013 #60

didn't used to be that way Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #54

Those evil trial lawyers. last1standing Oct 2013 #55

people sue over the stupidest things Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #56

Yes, "people" sue, and they're usually thrown out of court. If they ever get that far. last1standing Oct 2013 #57

lawyers are no different Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #61

So what tort did the trial lawyers allege that caused these donations to stop? last1standing Oct 2013 #62

the exposure Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #63

Care to link an article? last1standing Oct 2013 #65

When I worked in fast food places, this was also the case. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #59

"In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike . . . Journeyman Oct 2013 #8

Very appropriate in this thread. last1standing Oct 2013 #30

Great fucking quote. Nt. Hosnon Oct 2013 #36

It is not a crime if you start a corporation to do it The Straight Story Oct 2013 #9

Your problem lies in deviating law from justice in this case. flvegan Oct 2013 #11

Aside from which "necessity" is an affirmative defense jberryhill Oct 2013 #23

I sincerely doubt anyone gvstn Oct 2013 #14

I would agree that people throwing a few coins into a fountain probably wouldn't want to prosecute. last1standing Oct 2013 #17

It should be illegal but should be less than a slap on the wrist coldmountain Oct 2013 #18

Will a slap on the wrist teach her how not to be hungry or not to do anything about it? last1standing Oct 2013 #19

It is illegal and a crime and if I'm on your jury, you're walking. dimbear Oct 2013 #22

i refuse to call taking food that you need to eat because you are starving CreekDog Oct 2013 #24

It may not be a crime, but it's a bad idea to steal Bread albums when you have no food Ken Burch Oct 2013 #25

A crime? Yes. Immoral? Only if you steal it from a starving person. nt Deep13 Oct 2013 #28

Isn't it both by definition? Hosnon Oct 2013 #35

The idea is to separate the law from justice. last1standing Oct 2013 #40

"If breaking a law is illegal then doing something ethically wrong would be unjust or criminal." Hosnon Oct 2013 #45

I think the problem is my use of the word "crime." last1standing Oct 2013 #48

Oxford dictionary definition of crime: 1. an action or omission which constitutes an offence and is Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #37

For this discussion the idea is to use the second definition. last1standing Oct 2013 #42

Illegal and a crime if you go strictly by law. That's what I based my vote on. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #39

The idea is to separate conceptof law from that of justice if that is possible.. last1standing Oct 2013 #43

Gotta eat to live, gotta steal to eat BarackTheVote Oct 2013 #46

It is both. It is unethical and immoral unless help cannot be found elsewhere. Skip Intro Oct 2013 #49

The way I see it, the rich steal from the poor everyday through low wages, hoarding cash, and gtar100 Oct 2013 #50

Well said. last1standing Oct 2013 #52

Do you hear adieu Oct 2013 #64

It is in front of Judge Judy... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #66

I've never seen the show but I've heard that kind of thing about her before. last1standing Oct 2013 #67

More like the "being poor is irresponsible" message.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #69

What the hell, if you have no money for food and you are starving, you steal money! Coyotl Oct 2013 #68

Illegal, and a crime. (I think this is a tautology). Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #72

I don't know how pipi_k Oct 2013 #74

I guess, technically it is. ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #76

By definition, it is a crime.... Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #78

I'm sure it depends on who you ask. Left2Tackle Oct 2013 #79

A starving person over-rides anybody's sense of outrage or thirst for revenge. BlueJazz Oct 2013 #80