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YoungDemCA

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56. The problem is that a lot of the legitimate issues that many men face....

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 08:17 PM

Oct 2013

...are race and class issues, not gender issues.

Example: Black men being imprisoned at higher rates than white men. Or men who lack college degrees having, on average, considerably less pay, benefits, and job security than men with college degrees.

These aren't easy issues to entangle, by any means. But speaking as a man, I can't say that I've ever experienced genuine oppression-that is to say, disenfranchisement-solely because I am a man.

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We do need a REAL Men's Movement [View all] Taverner Oct 2013 OP

I don't even speak about feminist issues anymore Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #1

There is a small group of bullies here who think they own the issue. They'll be here soon enough. Throd Oct 2013 #2

You mean women who have the nerve to speak their mind? BainsBane Oct 2013 #73

I'm sure that's exactly what he meant... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #102

When people say someone claims to speak for everyone BainsBane Oct 2013 #129

No, that isn't what I meant at all. Throd Oct 2013 #188

as you are mine BainsBane Oct 2013 #215

just maybe it isn't the person and their experiences being mocked, tillikum Oct 2013 #113

^^^^Thread winner^^^ nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #204

... pintobean Oct 2013 #210

The feminists aren't the ones who bully you. BainsBane Oct 2013 #216

Unfortunately, I've come across a few of these too(not on DU, though!). AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #207

Advertising wants men to be like James Bond? LOL fitman Oct 2013 #29

We need an imaginary men's movement mindwalker_i Oct 2013 #3

We need an Invisible Men's Movement. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #79

And patriarchy is why the only emotion "real" men are allowed is anger. Warpy Oct 2013 #4

Yep. Exactly. It's not exactly fun to be trapped in that. Taverner Oct 2013 #5

I completely agree. tavalon Oct 2013 #59

Guess I'm a "real" feminist too..... llmart Oct 2013 #125

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #96

he's a maudlin drunk elehhhhna Oct 2013 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #133

"I love you, man!!"... SidDithers Oct 2013 #180

Exactly. Jamastiene Oct 2013 #124

That's not really the case The2ndWheel Oct 2013 #126

+1 LiberalLoner Oct 2013 #167

whats wrong with James Bond? trumad Oct 2013 #6

Watch James Bond, yes. BE James Bond, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy Taverner Oct 2013 #9

Yeah that would totally suck trumad Oct 2013 #11

Good sex seems to be the only benefit of being Bond Taverner Oct 2013 #21

Alcoholic, misogynistic psychopath. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #13

Yeah--you know what that alcohol can do. trumad Oct 2013 #14

ETOH = Muscles, only in movies! Taverner Oct 2013 #22

Are you saying Daniel Craig is an alcoholic? Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #23

Nope---just watch the movies. trumad Oct 2013 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #74

I like a lot of "guy" things quinnox Oct 2013 #7

I never said there was, jeez Taverner Oct 2013 #8

Ok, it just seemed like your OP was another villification of "guy stuff" quinnox Oct 2013 #10

Guy stuff is guy stuff. Patriarchy is a strange holdover from Roman days of yore Taverner Oct 2013 #12

I like those type of movies but also equally get into romantic comedies and fitman Oct 2013 #36

huh. different strokes.. quinnox Oct 2013 #39

I can pretty much watch anything fitman Oct 2013 #41

those movies Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #53

How about a labor movement? leftstreet Oct 2013 #15

That goes without saying Taverner Oct 2013 #24

Taverner, please tell me you are married, in a relationship or gay tavalon Oct 2013 #60

Some say there is power in a union. Deep13 Oct 2013 #105

Sing it, brother Doctor_J Oct 2013 #16

I know - it makes you think what if these women DID NOT have those obstacles Taverner Oct 2013 #25

A++++++++ fitman Oct 2013 #38

How about a Human Movement where everyone is treated with respect? csziggy Oct 2013 #17

That is the end game for feminism Taverner Oct 2013 #19

I guess I am lucky with the men in my life csziggy Oct 2013 #34

What you both said tavalon Oct 2013 #62

Feminism also seeks an end to racism as well, structural or otherwise. AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #208

People conscious of injustice will work to get rid of it whereever it may be found lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #211

We have a mens Group right here on DU that does that... Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #18

Wasted Opportunities. Taverner Oct 2013 #20

Awww the Little Boys club. trumad Oct 2013 #27

Well... They have three of them... Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #30

Seriously--- that one thread x 3 is all you need to know about that group. trumad Oct 2013 #31

Susan Faludi wrote a great book a while back - "Stiffed" Taverner Oct 2013 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #49

Erk hyurk jhruyk Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #72

Why no, there are not any 600 post threads in the Gaming Group... Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #99

Sure, lets. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #101

heh... Thats funny Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #111

Except, that's not even close to an accurate portrayal of what goes on in that group. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #114

It is exactly what the Group is about Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #115

Why? Why go to the FAQ? It's not an area of MY particular interest. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #117

Why not go to the FAQ... Is it not the group FAQ? Does such a thing not help define a group? Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #119

most popular thread on DU! Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #156

"Cognitive dissonance": it's what's for dinner. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #163

Yeah... A shame the rest of the group is such a cesspool Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #168

the group's stated purpose is "discuss issues of interest to men". That's the SOP. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #170

And yet it's only interest is how oppressed men are in a male dominated world... Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #182

Zzzzzzz. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #200

Thanks for reminding me, it's probably time for a 2013 version. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #169

Well thanks Jeff but I can't think how you could teach me anything about being a man... Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #184

Maybe you're right. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #198

Actually it is BainsBane Oct 2013 #132

They have nothing else to talk about BainsBane Oct 2013 #76

Well.. not everybody has the kind of time it takes to rack up 18k + posts in 12 short months time.. opiate69 Oct 2013 #82

It takes no more time to write something of substance BainsBane Oct 2013 #88

As if you would know… opiate69 Oct 2013 #89

I realize we all can't live up to the exalted intellectual standards BainsBane Oct 2013 #92

Your very good at fluff, be proud of it. Katashi_itto Oct 2013 #139

Like flies to honey BainsBane Oct 2013 #144

Exactly! Not something to disparage at all. Look at Fox news Katashi_itto Oct 2013 #152

The flies remark was about BainsBane Oct 2013 #177

"A tale, full of sound and fury... etc. signifying nothing" Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #205

"It's way farther than I would go, but I understand the anger behind 'kill all ******'" Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #86

I'm very happy that you found something BainsBane Oct 2013 #87

... opiate69 Oct 2013 #91

Can't come up with any, can you? Not that will work. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #93

Yet there you are in every thread BainsBane Oct 2013 #97

And I agree with you that it's horrible, reprehensible and inexcusable. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #98

I didn't say it was BainsBane Oct 2013 #128

No, actually, I asked you to do a thought experiment on that particular sentence to see if it could Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #134

I agree BainsBane Oct 2013 #135

That was an egregrious comment, I agree too. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #138

Yes, thankfully BainsBane Oct 2013 #140

Sigh. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #142

It wasn't meant to prove anything BainsBane Oct 2013 #147

There are a number of things I don't think belong BainsBane Oct 2013 #137

I didn't alert on that post, either. Nor do I plan to. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #141

because if it were hidden BainsBane Oct 2013 #146

Yes, that's precisely what I want to do for the next 10 years. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #155

I just realized BainsBane Oct 2013 #160

Unfortunately all the good campsites are taken. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #161

It wasn't "errant". It wasn't hidden because it conforms to community standards. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #150

Maybe you can nominate Halle Berry mathematic Oct 2013 #43

nope trumad Oct 2013 #51

Nah, the pretend horror & faux-rage around the "Hot celebrities thread" is, I think, its own reward. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #75

You live for the complaints about that thread BainsBane Oct 2013 #77

You got me. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #80

I don't really understand all the complaints from a few people... Violet_Crumble Oct 2013 #110

Did I complain about the thread? BainsBane Oct 2013 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #118

Well, more evidence my first post was accurate BainsBane Oct 2013 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #157

Warren, you will always outclass me in humor BainsBane Oct 2013 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #206

In that regard, it serves a great public purpose. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #154

That's different. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #104

Most popular thread on DU. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #71

Not even close BainsBane Oct 2013 #78

This is one of the most deluded posts I've seen from you. And that is saying a lot. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #83

Awwww. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #84

in regard to that particular thread BainsBane Oct 2013 #90

I'm going by total views. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #94

Well, in fairness... I think the iverglas grave-dancing thread was more popular... opiate69 Oct 2013 #122

A train wreck has a lot of views. trumad Oct 2013 #164

Especially when it's got Adriana Lima in it, amirite? Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #171

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Post #11 dude.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2013 #136

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #166

I don't have to!!! ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2013 #190

Umm... pintobean Oct 2013 #193

Huh....really.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2013 #194

It's the new rule pintobean Oct 2013 #195

is he the first? Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #201

Don't know. pintobean Oct 2013 #202

The wording of the announcement suggests... lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #203

This message was self-deleted by its author pintobean Oct 2013 #212

I'm for that! And as a woman I'll come along for the ride. cui bono Oct 2013 #28

I always hated the term "man cave" Taverner Oct 2013 #32

Yeah, me too. There was a thread that was about a "man cave" store and I asked why don't cui bono Oct 2013 #35

Cool! Let's say we watch Pink Floyd at Pompei, a PERFECT Stoner Den movie! Taverner Oct 2013 #44

Yeah! I also have, somewhere, The Wall album synched to The Wizard of Oz cui bono Oct 2013 #45

Well, darn, now I have competition tavalon Oct 2013 #63

LOL. cui bono Oct 2013 #64

Not my turf actually tavalon Oct 2013 #65

Alrighty then.... cui bono Oct 2013 #66

Women and men should have their own private space fitman Oct 2013 #50

"Men should hate patriarchy as much as women do." Triana Oct 2013 #37

Yep. Similar to how white privlege hurts whites. Taverner Oct 2013 #42

Are you serious? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #70

divide and conquer Deep13 Oct 2013 #108

very true, peace activists in Northern Ireland explained this to me 20 years ago.... bettyellen Oct 2013 #217

agreed G_j Oct 2013 #40

"When we have a real movement we'll know it because women will help us throw off our chains" lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #46

No, but what I am saying is that both men's and women's movements have the same goal Taverner Oct 2013 #47

no. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #48

The reason why women don't have to ask men as opposed to men asking women... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #67

Here's the kernel of agreement; the women's movement needed to happen first. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #158

Absurd, ridiculous, delusional, self-serving garbage. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #192

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Oct 2013 #120

Commercial driving is less dangerous per hour worked than many other professions. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Oct 2013 #174

Not dismissing it. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #196

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Oct 2013 #218

I don't understand what's so difficult. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #219

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Oct 2013 #220

^^^ This. Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #153

With respect, it is up to everyone to deconstruct ... Deep13 Oct 2013 #109

So long as anyone likes self-identifying as "woman" or "hispanic" or "muslim" lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #159

They are entirely artificial. Deep13 Oct 2013 #179

I'm a guy. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #197

And as soon as "Men" as a class suffer widespread oppression, we can have one. Iggo Oct 2013 #52

Mister, please.... nt TeamPooka Oct 2013 #54

we need an egalitarian movement... McDiggy Oct 2013 #55

The problem is that a lot of the legitimate issues that many men face.... YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #56

Why would you as the privileged ever suffer because of your privileged position? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #68

Absolutely tavalon Oct 2013 #57

PS tavalon Oct 2013 #58

Very true. cui bono Oct 2013 #69

Ha! tavalon Oct 2013 #81

I first heard it right after a road trip during which we stopped at a Waffle House cui bono Oct 2013 #85

Personally, I believe he was a christ tavalon Oct 2013 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #106

Um... goat boy? redqueen Oct 2013 #191

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #214

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #107

tagged for future review tillikum Oct 2013 #61

I wouldn't disagree Prophet 451 Oct 2013 #100

Those two things are like breast cancer--men are much less likely to suffer for them, but eridani Oct 2013 #116

Not as rare as you'd think Prophet 451 Oct 2013 #121

Well patriarchy sucks for sure, but I rather think... Deep13 Oct 2013 #103

i think a real mens movement looks more like a period of total dis-engagement tillikum Oct 2013 #112

You got this feminist's support. Jamastiene Oct 2013 #123

We already do, it's called feminism. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #143

Almost Half Of Young Japanese Women Are Not Interested In Sex FarCenter Oct 2013 #148

How does having sex, or not, relate to the OP? Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #149

I know - although patriarchy may bleed into sex Taverner Oct 2013 #151

Sex is the main driver of courtship, marriage, and childbearing. FarCenter Oct 2013 #165

That would be true, technically, but only if every single person Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #172

No, individuals can opt out of the patriarchy trap -- don't get married for one thing. FarCenter Oct 2013 #175

So, not serious. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #178

Have been single, had a live in GF but love being married the most. fitman Oct 2013 #185

might his have to do with he boys being raised like little kings? elehhhhna Oct 2013 #181

They are probably raised mostly by their mothers, since fathers have long commutes, long hours. FarCenter Oct 2013 #183

all that capitalsim and sexism is costing them elehhhhna Oct 2013 #187

I have seen girls raised up like little princesses fitman Oct 2013 #186

An agenda pushed by the Princess Industrial Complex Throd Oct 2013 #189

I belong to one! mconnors Oct 2013 #176

welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #213

Wouldn't that just be feminism? RedCappedBandit Oct 2013 #199

See reply number #208 for an additional take. =) AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #209