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Uncle Joe

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104. Leopold II wiped out roughly half the population of the Congo.
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 08:31 PM
Oct 2013


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_II_of_Belgium

Adam Hochschild devotes a chapter of his book, King Leopold's Ghost, to the problem of estimating the death toll. He cites several recent lines of investigation, by anthropologist Jan Vansina and others, examining local sources from police records, religious records, oral traditions, genealogies, personal diaries, and "many others", which generally agree with the assessment of the 1919 Belgian government commission: roughly half the population perished during the Free State period. Since the first official census by the Belgian authorities in 1924 put the population at about 10 million, that implies a rough estimate of 10 million dead.[8]



Slavery existed in Africa long before the Europeans or colonialsim arrived.

Slave trade with Muslim Nations had existed for aproximately 800 years before the Christian Europeans came on the scene, it was a world wide trade including all the major continents.

The way slaves were treated in Africa was different in many respects from the American method, in Africa hundreds or thousands were executed in religious ceremonies but they were also sometimes treated as family.

Now it's given that the vast majority of slaves died and were torn from their culture during the TransAtlantic voyage.

Virgina under slave owner Thomas Jefferson's leadership was the first state to outlaw the importation of slaves in 1778.

The U.S. outlawed the importation of slaves while Jefferson was President in 1808.

The Confederacy only existed from 1861-1865, they practiced slavery, they didn't commit genocide.

They didn't exterminate their slaves, the slave owners were in it for profit.

Is slavery evil and dehumanizing? Absolutely but it's not genocide.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_slave_trade

African slavery [edit]

Main article: Slavery in Africa

Slavery was practiced in some parts of Africa,[16] Europe,[16] Asia[16] and the Americas before the beginning of the Atlantic slave trade. There is evidence that enslaved people from some African states were exported to other states in Africa, Europe and Asia prior to the European colonization of the Americas.[17] The African slave trade provided a large number of slaves to Europeans.[18][19]

The Atlantic slave trade was not the only slave trade from Africa, although it was the largest in volume and intensity. As Elikia M’bokolo wrote in Le Monde diplomatique: "The African continent was bled of its human resources via all possible routes. Across the Sahara, through the Red Sea, from the Indian Ocean ports and across the Atlantic. At least ten centuries of slavery for the benefit of the Muslim countries (from the ninth to the nineteenth).... Four million enslaved people exported via the Red Sea, another four million[20] through the Swahili ports of the Indian Ocean, perhaps as many as nine million along the trans-Saharan caravan route, and eleven to twenty million (depending on the author) across the Atlantic Ocean."[21]

According to John K. Thornton, Europeans usually bought enslaved people who were captured in endemic warfare between African states.[22] There were also Africans who had made a business out of capturing Africans from neighboring ethnic groups or war captives and selling them.[23] People living around the Niger River were transported from these markets to the coast and sold at European trading ports in exchange for muskets (matchlock between 1540–1606 but flintlock from then on) and manufactured goods such as cloth or alcohol.[24] However, the European demand for slaves provided a large new market for the already existing trade.[25] Further, while those held in slavery in their own region of Africa might hope to escape, those shipped away had little chance of returning to Africa.

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The treatment of slaves in Africa was more variable than in the Americas. At one extreme, the kings of Dahomey routinely slaughtered slaves in hundreds or thousands in sacrificial rituals, and the use of slaves as human sacrifices was also known in Cameroon.[60] On the other hand, slaves in other places were often treated as part of the family, "adopted children," with significant rights including the right to marry without their masters' permission.[61] Scottish explorer Mungo Park wrote: "The slaves in Africa, I suppose, are nearly in the proportion of three to one to the freemen. They claim no reward for their services except food and clothing, and are treated with kindness or severity, according to the good or bad disposition of their masters.... The slaves which are thus brought from the interior may be divided into two distinct classes - first, such as were slaves from their birth, having been born of enslaved mothers; secondly, such as were born free, but who afterwards, by whatever means, became slaves. Those of the first description are by far the most numerous ...."[62] In the Americas, slaves were denied the right to marry freely and even humane masters did not accept them as equal members of the family; however, while grisly executions of slaves convicted of revolt or other offenses were commonplace in the Americas, New World slaves were not subject to arbitrary ritual sacrifice.[63] New World slaves were very useful and expensive enough to maintain and care for, but still the property of their owners.

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In Britain, America, Portugal and in parts of Europe, opposition developed against the slave trade. Davis says that abolitionists assumed "that an end to slave imports would lead automatically to the amelioration and gradual abolition of slavery.".[115] Opposition to the trade was led by the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) and establishment Evangelicals such as William Wilberforce. The movement was joined by many and began to protest against the trade, but they were opposed by the owners of the colonial holdings.[116] Following Lord Mansfield's decision in 1772, slaves became free upon entering the British isles.[117] Under the leadership of Thomas Jefferson, the new state of Virginia in 1778 became the first state and one of the first jurisdictions anywhere to stop the importation of slaves for sale; it made it a crime for traders to bring in slaves from out of state or from overseas for sale; migrants from other states were allowed to bring their own slaves. The new law freed all slaves brought in illegally after its passage and imposed heavy fines on violators.[118][119] Denmark, which had been active in the slave trade, was the first country to ban the trade through legislation in 1792, which took effect in 1803. Britain banned the slave trade in 1807, imposing stiff fines for any slave found aboard a British ship (see Slave Trade Act 1807). The Royal Navy, which then controlled the world's seas, moved to stop other nations from continuing the slave trade and declared that slaving was equal to piracy and was punishable by death. The United States Congress passed the Slave Trade Act of 1794, which prohibited the building or outfitting of ships in the U.S. for use in the slave trade. In 1807 Congress outlawed the importation of slaves beginning on January 1, 1808, the earliest date permitted by the United States Constitution for such a ban.







Thank you Wilt for this post... haikugal Oct 2013 #1
Loyal to their region than their country bermudat Oct 2013 #2
Those who profess their loyalty to the south (region over nation) are the least American. Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #3
I guess "they" should just get off DU. nt brer cat Oct 2013 #4
NO Brer, our Souther DUers have to DEAL with that climate. They don't condone it. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #9
I was born and raised in GA and live there still. brer cat Oct 2013 #15
Our objection is NOT to individual progressives in the South. Far from it. pnwmom Oct 2013 #16
Some people need to learn some modifiers. brer cat Oct 2013 #17
" northern/western politicians using the southern right wing voters to enhance their power." IrishAyes Oct 2013 #24
I'm not a southern gentleman...in fact I'm not a man brer cat Oct 2013 #27
sigh... IrishAyes Oct 2013 #30
Brer, of course there are nice southerners and liberals ones too. wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #26
My point exactly, Wilt. brer cat Oct 2013 #28
there are always exceptions to the rule wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #33
That's what I've heard racists say when using the N word in front of an African American; that Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #38
We are first generation people. wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #40
I meant Letterman's Program which is based in New York, personally I have no problem with it, only Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #41
Really Uncle Joe wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #43
Really wilt the stilt, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #46
The NE is better for the changing leaves wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #49
Like I said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, it's all subjective. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #52
The South doesn't have (a lot of) natural lakes, Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #122
What the FUCK??? I grew up in northwest butt-fuck OHIO and New York City IS madinmaryland Oct 2013 #47
No doubt. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #48
Better than Paris or Athens? JDPriestly Oct 2013 #81
The South pretty solidly fought to keep slavery. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #80
The South as a whole fought for a multitude of reasons, "regionalsim" being the prime reason. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #90
Excuses. I learned history in the South. I know the lies they tell. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #92
I just presented a neutral source supporting my contention and you have no rebuttal other Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #93
I heard all of that before. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #94
The problem is even when the South changes and it is, "regionalists" don't want to take yes Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #95
Which is a totally unfair thing to do. cordelia Oct 2013 #50
Having lived in the South, I see Southerners as victims of their own narrow culture. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #79
I was born down south 65 years ago. In_The_Wind Oct 2013 #5
Have you seen a lot of progress in that time? Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #10
I haven't been home in a long time. In_The_Wind Oct 2013 #13
Doesn't it reflect poorly on your son Fastcars Oct 2013 #6
Of those available, it IS the most progressive. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #11
You should be very proud of your son. It's really tough being a liberal in the South. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #82
not at all wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #25
When a minority student attends such an institution Mariana Oct 2013 #74
Its that type of loyalty to the region LostOne4Ever Oct 2013 #7
Good observation. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2013 #8
Southern by birth, American by the grace of God curlyred Oct 2013 #12
It's an interesting thought theaocp Oct 2013 #14
People's families have been in the south so many generations, not migrating Lex Oct 2013 #18
Like "native" Californians. pintobean Oct 2013 #34
Exactly. nt Lex Oct 2013 #39
Lots of Yankees moving to the South pstokely Oct 2013 #131
I think it's deeper than that. They pine for Southern Glory Days. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #19
You said it, pal. IrishAyes Oct 2013 #20
Son of the Confederacy checking in Ezlivin Oct 2013 #21
Y'all are the quiet group. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #128
That has not been my experience at all A Little Weird Oct 2013 #22
It's not a thing in the deep South. It's just one more swipe at the region with a cordelia Oct 2013 #53
Yup pintobean Oct 2013 #56
if it wasn't for my kids I would be out of here wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #88
Denver has its own problems Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #117
smog you say smog wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #118
I think the West actually has the worst air quality Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #121
check this out wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #129
There's no way that Nashville has worse air than Los Angeles Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #130
I live in the SE wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #133
The worst air I ever experienced was in Los Angeles Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #135
all that is true wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #136
Not since Obama was elected. Hoyt Oct 2013 #59
Not sure about the site itself but these numbers agree with what I have read over the years. Fastcars Oct 2013 #23
Note - In Vietnam JustAnotherGen Oct 2013 #85
Approximately 100,000 sulphurdunn Oct 2013 #29
That's all very well and good, IrishAyes Oct 2013 #31
The elite of no red state sulphurdunn Oct 2013 #32
You've got a good point there. But I guarantee you the yoemen are dead serious. & deadly. IrishAyes Oct 2013 #35
In any rampaging horde sulphurdunn Oct 2013 #36
So the fox chases the hounds... IrishAyes Oct 2013 #37
My father was an ILWU member sulphurdunn Oct 2013 #42
A lot of the men did, from what I hear - and it made Harry laugh. IrishAyes Oct 2013 #55
What is your point? This changes what? n-t Logical Oct 2013 #44
It was to make clear sulphurdunn Oct 2013 #87
Good honest post. Good information. Many here will dismiss it. n-t Logical Oct 2013 #45
I dismiss it because it's horseshit. More broadbrushing. cordelia Oct 2013 #51
Lol, thanks for making my point! Classic! nt Logical Oct 2013 #60
You didn't have a point. pintobean Oct 2013 #63
Born and raised in Kansas, but not too clueless to defend this GOP... Logical Oct 2013 #65
You basically posted a +1 pintobean Oct 2013 #69
It's some more truth you don't want to admit. No one is criticizing you, Hoyt Oct 2013 #61
+1000! nt Logical Oct 2013 #66
Great point. pintobean Oct 2013 #70
Kind of a slap at atheists, IMO. closeupready Oct 2013 #54
People just do NOT want to believe this shit....They have no idea how often that Confederate Battle VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #57
How often is it seen and how many people fly it considering there are nearly 115 million people Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #67
The confederate flag is no different than the swastika RainDog Oct 2013 #58
Exactly, and that yellow "Gadsden" flag has been usurped as a symbol of hatred. Hoyt Oct 2013 #62
Both are most definitely evil but they're not equivalent by a long shot. If the U.S. or South had Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #68
Yes. Slavery was worse RainDog Oct 2013 #71
Dumbest argument ever. This isn't a genocide pissing contest. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #72
As my first sentence stated, they were both most definitely evil but the people weren't taken away Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #73
The point in fact was that genocide was part of the slave trade RainDog Oct 2013 #75
Slavery has been a human curse long before the Moors ruled Spain Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #76
Yes. Slavery existed for a long time RainDog Oct 2013 #77
When you kill 10 million Africans, you aren't called Hitler RainDog Oct 2013 #83
Yes, Leopold II committed genocide and slavery of that I don't disagree and he came to power Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #89
Kurtz, in Heart of Darkness is modeled on one of King Leopold's men RainDog Oct 2013 #99
Leopold II wiped out roughly half the population of the Congo. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #104
Here's what we agree on RainDog Oct 2013 #123
We agree on this. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #124
Thanks for sharing RainDog Oct 2013 #125
... Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #127
capital moves RainDog Oct 2013 #64
Thanks. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #78
'nuther southerner here BellaKos Oct 2013 #84
Now The Great Migration reverses JustAnotherGen Oct 2013 #86
I originally thought that was the reference, too RainDog Oct 2013 #102
I was born and raised in the South. Aristus Oct 2013 #91
Athens and UGA are far more progressive places than the OP would indicate. dawg Oct 2013 #96
percentage of vote is skewed wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #97
My point is that Athens is a progressive place and there are plenty of progressive ... dawg Oct 2013 #98
Greek systems, imo, are asshole generators all over the U.S. RainDog Oct 2013 #101
what is the percentage of African Americans in the student population? wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #103
"there is no liberal tradition in Georgia" dawg Oct 2013 #106
Carter is hardly a traditional liberal compared to the great northern liberals. wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #107
Which states didn't vote for Northern Liberal FDR in 1932? Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #109
LOL-1932 and Georgia is liberal wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #110
Do you mean this election in 1948 when 7 of the 11 former Confederate States voted for Democratic Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #115
are you saying the south was liberal in 1948 and 1956 wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #116
All I did was post how the nation voted in the Presidential Elections from 1932-1956 Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #120
I apologize for the fences and the barricades. dawg Oct 2013 #112
okay with me wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #114
aren't there a lot of Northeastern and Midwestern transplants in Atlanta? pstokely Oct 2013 #132
American by birth, Gay by the Grace of God, Southern Gentleman by loving parents. NT William769 Oct 2013 #100
I really like this post. pintobean Oct 2013 #105
Thanks. Just keeping it real. William769 Oct 2013 #108
eat your heart out wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #111
Cardinal Nation. pintobean Oct 2013 #113
They really have a great tradition wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #119
Southern by birth, American by extensive travel and education Warpy Oct 2013 #126
I live in SC for 2 months of every year scheming daemons Oct 2013 #134
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