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In reply to the discussion: "American by birth southern by the grace of God" [View all]Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)104. Leopold II wiped out roughly half the population of the Congo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_II_of_Belgium
Adam Hochschild devotes a chapter of his book, King Leopold's Ghost, to the problem of estimating the death toll. He cites several recent lines of investigation, by anthropologist Jan Vansina and others, examining local sources from police records, religious records, oral traditions, genealogies, personal diaries, and "many others", which generally agree with the assessment of the 1919 Belgian government commission: roughly half the population perished during the Free State period. Since the first official census by the Belgian authorities in 1924 put the population at about 10 million, that implies a rough estimate of 10 million dead.[8]
Slavery existed in Africa long before the Europeans or colonialsim arrived.
Slave trade with Muslim Nations had existed for aproximately 800 years before the Christian Europeans came on the scene, it was a world wide trade including all the major continents.
The way slaves were treated in Africa was different in many respects from the American method, in Africa hundreds or thousands were executed in religious ceremonies but they were also sometimes treated as family.
Now it's given that the vast majority of slaves died and were torn from their culture during the TransAtlantic voyage.
Virgina under slave owner Thomas Jefferson's leadership was the first state to outlaw the importation of slaves in 1778.
The U.S. outlawed the importation of slaves while Jefferson was President in 1808.
The Confederacy only existed from 1861-1865, they practiced slavery, they didn't commit genocide.
They didn't exterminate their slaves, the slave owners were in it for profit.
Is slavery evil and dehumanizing? Absolutely but it's not genocide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_slave_trade
African slavery [edit]
Main article: Slavery in Africa
Slavery was practiced in some parts of Africa,[16] Europe,[16] Asia[16] and the Americas before the beginning of the Atlantic slave trade. There is evidence that enslaved people from some African states were exported to other states in Africa, Europe and Asia prior to the European colonization of the Americas.[17] The African slave trade provided a large number of slaves to Europeans.[18][19]
The Atlantic slave trade was not the only slave trade from Africa, although it was the largest in volume and intensity. As Elikia Mbokolo wrote in Le Monde diplomatique: "The African continent was bled of its human resources via all possible routes. Across the Sahara, through the Red Sea, from the Indian Ocean ports and across the Atlantic. At least ten centuries of slavery for the benefit of the Muslim countries (from the ninth to the nineteenth).... Four million enslaved people exported via the Red Sea, another four million[20] through the Swahili ports of the Indian Ocean, perhaps as many as nine million along the trans-Saharan caravan route, and eleven to twenty million (depending on the author) across the Atlantic Ocean."[21]
According to John K. Thornton, Europeans usually bought enslaved people who were captured in endemic warfare between African states.[22] There were also Africans who had made a business out of capturing Africans from neighboring ethnic groups or war captives and selling them.[23] People living around the Niger River were transported from these markets to the coast and sold at European trading ports in exchange for muskets (matchlock between 15401606 but flintlock from then on) and manufactured goods such as cloth or alcohol.[24] However, the European demand for slaves provided a large new market for the already existing trade.[25] Further, while those held in slavery in their own region of Africa might hope to escape, those shipped away had little chance of returning to Africa.
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The treatment of slaves in Africa was more variable than in the Americas. At one extreme, the kings of Dahomey routinely slaughtered slaves in hundreds or thousands in sacrificial rituals, and the use of slaves as human sacrifices was also known in Cameroon.[60] On the other hand, slaves in other places were often treated as part of the family, "adopted children," with significant rights including the right to marry without their masters' permission.[61] Scottish explorer Mungo Park wrote: "The slaves in Africa, I suppose, are nearly in the proportion of three to one to the freemen. They claim no reward for their services except food and clothing, and are treated with kindness or severity, according to the good or bad disposition of their masters.... The slaves which are thus brought from the interior may be divided into two distinct classes - first, such as were slaves from their birth, having been born of enslaved mothers; secondly, such as were born free, but who afterwards, by whatever means, became slaves. Those of the first description are by far the most numerous ...."[62] In the Americas, slaves were denied the right to marry freely and even humane masters did not accept them as equal members of the family; however, while grisly executions of slaves convicted of revolt or other offenses were commonplace in the Americas, New World slaves were not subject to arbitrary ritual sacrifice.[63] New World slaves were very useful and expensive enough to maintain and care for, but still the property of their owners.
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In Britain, America, Portugal and in parts of Europe, opposition developed against the slave trade. Davis says that abolitionists assumed "that an end to slave imports would lead automatically to the amelioration and gradual abolition of slavery.".[115] Opposition to the trade was led by the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) and establishment Evangelicals such as William Wilberforce. The movement was joined by many and began to protest against the trade, but they were opposed by the owners of the colonial holdings.[116] Following Lord Mansfield's decision in 1772, slaves became free upon entering the British isles.[117] Under the leadership of Thomas Jefferson, the new state of Virginia in 1778 became the first state and one of the first jurisdictions anywhere to stop the importation of slaves for sale; it made it a crime for traders to bring in slaves from out of state or from overseas for sale; migrants from other states were allowed to bring their own slaves. The new law freed all slaves brought in illegally after its passage and imposed heavy fines on violators.[118][119] Denmark, which had been active in the slave trade, was the first country to ban the trade through legislation in 1792, which took effect in 1803. Britain banned the slave trade in 1807, imposing stiff fines for any slave found aboard a British ship (see Slave Trade Act 1807). The Royal Navy, which then controlled the world's seas, moved to stop other nations from continuing the slave trade and declared that slaving was equal to piracy and was punishable by death. The United States Congress passed the Slave Trade Act of 1794, which prohibited the building or outfitting of ships in the U.S. for use in the slave trade. In 1807 Congress outlawed the importation of slaves beginning on January 1, 1808, the earliest date permitted by the United States Constitution for such a ban.
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Those who profess their loyalty to the south (region over nation) are the least American.
Dawson Leery
Oct 2013
#3
NO Brer, our Souther DUers have to DEAL with that climate. They don't condone it.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#9
" northern/western politicians using the southern right wing voters to enhance their power."
IrishAyes
Oct 2013
#24
That's what I've heard racists say when using the N word in front of an African American; that
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#38
I meant Letterman's Program which is based in New York, personally I have no problem with it, only
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#41
What the FUCK??? I grew up in northwest butt-fuck OHIO and New York City IS
madinmaryland
Oct 2013
#47
The South as a whole fought for a multitude of reasons, "regionalsim" being the prime reason.
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#90
I just presented a neutral source supporting my contention and you have no rebuttal other
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#93
The problem is even when the South changes and it is, "regionalists" don't want to take yes
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#95
Having lived in the South, I see Southerners as victims of their own narrow culture.
JDPriestly
Oct 2013
#79
You should be very proud of your son. It's really tough being a liberal in the South.
JDPriestly
Oct 2013
#82
It's not a thing in the deep South. It's just one more swipe at the region with a
cordelia
Oct 2013
#53
Not sure about the site itself but these numbers agree with what I have read over the years.
Fastcars
Oct 2013
#23
You've got a good point there. But I guarantee you the yoemen are dead serious. & deadly.
IrishAyes
Oct 2013
#35
People just do NOT want to believe this shit....They have no idea how often that Confederate Battle
VanillaRhapsody
Oct 2013
#57
How often is it seen and how many people fly it considering there are nearly 115 million people
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#67
Both are most definitely evil but they're not equivalent by a long shot. If the U.S. or South had
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#68
As my first sentence stated, they were both most definitely evil but the people weren't taken away
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#73
Yes, Leopold II committed genocide and slavery of that I don't disagree and he came to power
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#89
My point is that Athens is a progressive place and there are plenty of progressive ...
dawg
Oct 2013
#98
Carter is hardly a traditional liberal compared to the great northern liberals.
wilt the stilt
Oct 2013
#107
Do you mean this election in 1948 when 7 of the 11 former Confederate States voted for Democratic
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#115
All I did was post how the nation voted in the Presidential Elections from 1932-1956
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#120
American by birth, Gay by the Grace of God, Southern Gentleman by loving parents. NT
William769
Oct 2013
#100