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tillikum

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113. just maybe it isn't the person and their experiences being mocked,

Tue Oct 22, 2013, 03:42 AM

Oct 2013

but the lack of a lucid argument and the absurdity of what is being promoted as intelligent discourse!!

no matter how hard we try to press the former over the latter

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We do need a REAL Men's Movement [View all] Taverner Oct 2013 OP

I don't even speak about feminist issues anymore Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #1

There is a small group of bullies here who think they own the issue. They'll be here soon enough. Throd Oct 2013 #2

You mean women who have the nerve to speak their mind? BainsBane Oct 2013 #73

I'm sure that's exactly what he meant... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #102

When people say someone claims to speak for everyone BainsBane Oct 2013 #129

No, that isn't what I meant at all. Throd Oct 2013 #188

as you are mine BainsBane Oct 2013 #215

just maybe it isn't the person and their experiences being mocked, tillikum Oct 2013 #113

^^^^Thread winner^^^ nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #204

... pintobean Oct 2013 #210

The feminists aren't the ones who bully you. BainsBane Oct 2013 #216

Unfortunately, I've come across a few of these too(not on DU, though!). AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #207

Advertising wants men to be like James Bond? LOL fitman Oct 2013 #29

We need an imaginary men's movement mindwalker_i Oct 2013 #3

We need an Invisible Men's Movement. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #79

And patriarchy is why the only emotion "real" men are allowed is anger. Warpy Oct 2013 #4

Yep. Exactly. It's not exactly fun to be trapped in that. Taverner Oct 2013 #5

I completely agree. tavalon Oct 2013 #59

Guess I'm a "real" feminist too..... llmart Oct 2013 #125

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #96

he's a maudlin drunk elehhhhna Oct 2013 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #133

"I love you, man!!"... SidDithers Oct 2013 #180

Exactly. Jamastiene Oct 2013 #124

That's not really the case The2ndWheel Oct 2013 #126

+1 LiberalLoner Oct 2013 #167

whats wrong with James Bond? trumad Oct 2013 #6

Watch James Bond, yes. BE James Bond, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy Taverner Oct 2013 #9

Yeah that would totally suck trumad Oct 2013 #11

Good sex seems to be the only benefit of being Bond Taverner Oct 2013 #21

Alcoholic, misogynistic psychopath. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #13

Yeah--you know what that alcohol can do. trumad Oct 2013 #14

ETOH = Muscles, only in movies! Taverner Oct 2013 #22

Are you saying Daniel Craig is an alcoholic? Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #23

Nope---just watch the movies. trumad Oct 2013 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #74

I like a lot of "guy" things quinnox Oct 2013 #7

I never said there was, jeez Taverner Oct 2013 #8

Ok, it just seemed like your OP was another villification of "guy stuff" quinnox Oct 2013 #10

Guy stuff is guy stuff. Patriarchy is a strange holdover from Roman days of yore Taverner Oct 2013 #12

I like those type of movies but also equally get into romantic comedies and fitman Oct 2013 #36

huh. different strokes.. quinnox Oct 2013 #39

I can pretty much watch anything fitman Oct 2013 #41

those movies Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #53

How about a labor movement? leftstreet Oct 2013 #15

That goes without saying Taverner Oct 2013 #24

Taverner, please tell me you are married, in a relationship or gay tavalon Oct 2013 #60

Some say there is power in a union. Deep13 Oct 2013 #105

Sing it, brother Doctor_J Oct 2013 #16

I know - it makes you think what if these women DID NOT have those obstacles Taverner Oct 2013 #25

A++++++++ fitman Oct 2013 #38

How about a Human Movement where everyone is treated with respect? csziggy Oct 2013 #17

That is the end game for feminism Taverner Oct 2013 #19

I guess I am lucky with the men in my life csziggy Oct 2013 #34

What you both said tavalon Oct 2013 #62

Feminism also seeks an end to racism as well, structural or otherwise. AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #208

People conscious of injustice will work to get rid of it whereever it may be found lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #211

We have a mens Group right here on DU that does that... Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #18

Wasted Opportunities. Taverner Oct 2013 #20

Awww the Little Boys club. trumad Oct 2013 #27

Well... They have three of them... Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #30

Seriously--- that one thread x 3 is all you need to know about that group. trumad Oct 2013 #31

Susan Faludi wrote a great book a while back - "Stiffed" Taverner Oct 2013 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #49

Erk hyurk jhruyk Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #72

Why no, there are not any 600 post threads in the Gaming Group... Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #99

Sure, lets. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #101

heh... Thats funny Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #111

Except, that's not even close to an accurate portrayal of what goes on in that group. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #114

It is exactly what the Group is about Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #115

Why? Why go to the FAQ? It's not an area of MY particular interest. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #117

Why not go to the FAQ... Is it not the group FAQ? Does such a thing not help define a group? Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #119

most popular thread on DU! Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #156

"Cognitive dissonance": it's what's for dinner. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #163

Yeah... A shame the rest of the group is such a cesspool Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #168

the group's stated purpose is "discuss issues of interest to men". That's the SOP. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #170

And yet it's only interest is how oppressed men are in a male dominated world... Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #182

Zzzzzzz. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #200

Thanks for reminding me, it's probably time for a 2013 version. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #169

Well thanks Jeff but I can't think how you could teach me anything about being a man... Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #184

Maybe you're right. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #198

Actually it is BainsBane Oct 2013 #132

They have nothing else to talk about BainsBane Oct 2013 #76

Well.. not everybody has the kind of time it takes to rack up 18k + posts in 12 short months time.. opiate69 Oct 2013 #82

It takes no more time to write something of substance BainsBane Oct 2013 #88

As if you would know… opiate69 Oct 2013 #89

I realize we all can't live up to the exalted intellectual standards BainsBane Oct 2013 #92

Your very good at fluff, be proud of it. Katashi_itto Oct 2013 #139

Like flies to honey BainsBane Oct 2013 #144

Exactly! Not something to disparage at all. Look at Fox news Katashi_itto Oct 2013 #152

The flies remark was about BainsBane Oct 2013 #177

"A tale, full of sound and fury... etc. signifying nothing" Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #205

"It's way farther than I would go, but I understand the anger behind 'kill all ******'" Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #86

I'm very happy that you found something BainsBane Oct 2013 #87

... opiate69 Oct 2013 #91

Can't come up with any, can you? Not that will work. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #93

Yet there you are in every thread BainsBane Oct 2013 #97

And I agree with you that it's horrible, reprehensible and inexcusable. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #98

I didn't say it was BainsBane Oct 2013 #128

No, actually, I asked you to do a thought experiment on that particular sentence to see if it could Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #134

I agree BainsBane Oct 2013 #135

That was an egregrious comment, I agree too. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #138

Yes, thankfully BainsBane Oct 2013 #140

Sigh. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #142

It wasn't meant to prove anything BainsBane Oct 2013 #147

There are a number of things I don't think belong BainsBane Oct 2013 #137

I didn't alert on that post, either. Nor do I plan to. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #141

because if it were hidden BainsBane Oct 2013 #146

Yes, that's precisely what I want to do for the next 10 years. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #155

I just realized BainsBane Oct 2013 #160

Unfortunately all the good campsites are taken. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #161

It wasn't "errant". It wasn't hidden because it conforms to community standards. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #150

Maybe you can nominate Halle Berry mathematic Oct 2013 #43

nope trumad Oct 2013 #51

Nah, the pretend horror & faux-rage around the "Hot celebrities thread" is, I think, its own reward. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #75

You live for the complaints about that thread BainsBane Oct 2013 #77

You got me. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #80

I don't really understand all the complaints from a few people... Violet_Crumble Oct 2013 #110

Did I complain about the thread? BainsBane Oct 2013 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #118

Well, more evidence my first post was accurate BainsBane Oct 2013 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #157

Warren, you will always outclass me in humor BainsBane Oct 2013 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #206

In that regard, it serves a great public purpose. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #154

That's different. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #104

Most popular thread on DU. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #71

Not even close BainsBane Oct 2013 #78

This is one of the most deluded posts I've seen from you. And that is saying a lot. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #83

Awwww. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #84

in regard to that particular thread BainsBane Oct 2013 #90

I'm going by total views. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #94

Well, in fairness... I think the iverglas grave-dancing thread was more popular... opiate69 Oct 2013 #122

A train wreck has a lot of views. trumad Oct 2013 #164

Especially when it's got Adriana Lima in it, amirite? Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #171

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #173

Post #11 dude.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2013 #136

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #166

I don't have to!!! ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2013 #190

Umm... pintobean Oct 2013 #193

Huh....really.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2013 #194

It's the new rule pintobean Oct 2013 #195

is he the first? Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #201

Don't know. pintobean Oct 2013 #202

The wording of the announcement suggests... lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #203

This message was self-deleted by its author pintobean Oct 2013 #212

I'm for that! And as a woman I'll come along for the ride. cui bono Oct 2013 #28

I always hated the term "man cave" Taverner Oct 2013 #32

Yeah, me too. There was a thread that was about a "man cave" store and I asked why don't cui bono Oct 2013 #35

Cool! Let's say we watch Pink Floyd at Pompei, a PERFECT Stoner Den movie! Taverner Oct 2013 #44

Yeah! I also have, somewhere, The Wall album synched to The Wizard of Oz cui bono Oct 2013 #45

Well, darn, now I have competition tavalon Oct 2013 #63

LOL. cui bono Oct 2013 #64

Not my turf actually tavalon Oct 2013 #65

Alrighty then.... cui bono Oct 2013 #66

Women and men should have their own private space fitman Oct 2013 #50

"Men should hate patriarchy as much as women do." Triana Oct 2013 #37

Yep. Similar to how white privlege hurts whites. Taverner Oct 2013 #42

Are you serious? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #70

divide and conquer Deep13 Oct 2013 #108

very true, peace activists in Northern Ireland explained this to me 20 years ago.... bettyellen Oct 2013 #217

agreed G_j Oct 2013 #40

"When we have a real movement we'll know it because women will help us throw off our chains" lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #46

No, but what I am saying is that both men's and women's movements have the same goal Taverner Oct 2013 #47

no. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #48

The reason why women don't have to ask men as opposed to men asking women... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #67

Here's the kernel of agreement; the women's movement needed to happen first. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #158

Absurd, ridiculous, delusional, self-serving garbage. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #192

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Oct 2013 #120

Commercial driving is less dangerous per hour worked than many other professions. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Oct 2013 #174

Not dismissing it. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #196

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Oct 2013 #218

I don't understand what's so difficult. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #219

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Oct 2013 #220

^^^ This. Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #153

With respect, it is up to everyone to deconstruct ... Deep13 Oct 2013 #109

So long as anyone likes self-identifying as "woman" or "hispanic" or "muslim" lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #159

They are entirely artificial. Deep13 Oct 2013 #179

I'm a guy. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #197

And as soon as "Men" as a class suffer widespread oppression, we can have one. Iggo Oct 2013 #52

Mister, please.... nt TeamPooka Oct 2013 #54

we need an egalitarian movement... McDiggy Oct 2013 #55

The problem is that a lot of the legitimate issues that many men face.... YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #56

Why would you as the privileged ever suffer because of your privileged position? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #68

Absolutely tavalon Oct 2013 #57

PS tavalon Oct 2013 #58

Very true. cui bono Oct 2013 #69

Ha! tavalon Oct 2013 #81

I first heard it right after a road trip during which we stopped at a Waffle House cui bono Oct 2013 #85

Personally, I believe he was a christ tavalon Oct 2013 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #106

Um... goat boy? redqueen Oct 2013 #191

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #214

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tagged for future review tillikum Oct 2013 #61

I wouldn't disagree Prophet 451 Oct 2013 #100

Those two things are like breast cancer--men are much less likely to suffer for them, but eridani Oct 2013 #116

Not as rare as you'd think Prophet 451 Oct 2013 #121

Well patriarchy sucks for sure, but I rather think... Deep13 Oct 2013 #103

i think a real mens movement looks more like a period of total dis-engagement tillikum Oct 2013 #112

You got this feminist's support. Jamastiene Oct 2013 #123

We already do, it's called feminism. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #143

Almost Half Of Young Japanese Women Are Not Interested In Sex FarCenter Oct 2013 #148

How does having sex, or not, relate to the OP? Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #149

I know - although patriarchy may bleed into sex Taverner Oct 2013 #151

Sex is the main driver of courtship, marriage, and childbearing. FarCenter Oct 2013 #165

That would be true, technically, but only if every single person Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #172

No, individuals can opt out of the patriarchy trap -- don't get married for one thing. FarCenter Oct 2013 #175

So, not serious. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #178

Have been single, had a live in GF but love being married the most. fitman Oct 2013 #185

might his have to do with he boys being raised like little kings? elehhhhna Oct 2013 #181

They are probably raised mostly by their mothers, since fathers have long commutes, long hours. FarCenter Oct 2013 #183

all that capitalsim and sexism is costing them elehhhhna Oct 2013 #187

I have seen girls raised up like little princesses fitman Oct 2013 #186

An agenda pushed by the Princess Industrial Complex Throd Oct 2013 #189

I belong to one! mconnors Oct 2013 #176

welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #213

Wouldn't that just be feminism? RedCappedBandit Oct 2013 #199

See reply number #208 for an additional take. =) AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #209