I've certainly made some enemies here. (Reply #123)

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Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:17 PM

Nye Bevan (25,406 posts)

123. I've certainly made some enemies here.

One DUer in particular was so shocked when I said something positive about Margaret Thatcher, for example, that they were still following me around and bringing it up months later.

Also, my support of free trade and the Citizens United decision is unpopular among quite a few DUers (notwithstanding the fact that Barack Obama is a big free trade enthusiast and the ACLU supports Citizens United).

Like you, I try to stay within the community standards and am generally successful. And I agree that if the site owners decide they want less controversy and debate and more people agreeing with each other, that is entirely their prerogative.

I kind of have a reverse Groucho Marx thing going on here. If DU ever bans me, it means that it has become so boringly uncontroversial that I wouldn't want to be a member anyway.

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188 replies	Author	Time	Post
Has the banning of dkf made you more reluctant to criticize certain things on DU? [View all]	Nye Bevan	Oct 2013	OP
Is it OK for you to ask this?	AnotherMcIntosh	Oct 2013	#1
Is it ok for you to even post on the thread? nt	msanthrope	Oct 2013	#32
"I am in no sense criticizing the banning of dkf"	Kolesar	Oct 2013	#57
Oh, I wouldn't criticize that either.	AnotherMcIntosh	Oct 2013	#84
IBTL.	Mika	Oct 2013	#2
Dito!	Heather MC	Oct 2013	#25
I think that everyone probably thinks about this, but it should not affect their posts.	Th1onein	Oct 2013	#3
Fuck no	trumad	Oct 2013	#4
Only the ratfuckers should fear. nt	msanthrope	Oct 2013	#6
+1...nt	SidDithers	Oct 2013	#22
+1	BootinUp	Oct 2013	#43
Lots of people were oddly miffed dkf got the banhammer.	Ikonoklast	Oct 2013	#52
Agree to that. nt	Doremus	Oct 2013	#79
Thank you. And Lord knows that appears to be EXACTLY what they are doing.	Number23	Oct 2013	#154
Between WillyT's thread and this one, the flypaper couldn't be stickier.	msanthrope	Oct 2013	#157
This is what happens when the echo chamber starts to burst for those who have propped up	Number23	Oct 2013	#170
+1 n/t	FSogol	Oct 2013	#171
+100! nt	zappaman	Oct 2013	#178
+1 - nt	Ohio Joe	Oct 2013	#19
+1 eom	BlueCaliDem	Oct 2013	#80
You Better Believe It! nt	msanthrope	Oct 2013	#5
Main problem I see is that, these last few days, dkf was rooting for ACA's failure	Mass	Oct 2013	#7
I can actually see some sense in rooting for the ACA to fail.	Nye Bevan	Oct 2013	#12
Sure. So we should root for millions of people to suffer and/or die	Mass	Oct 2013	#17
No. We should not root for anyone to "suffer and die".	Nye Bevan	Oct 2013	#21
Totally agree with your position, in this case, but this is not the position	Mass	Oct 2013	#23
That is not at all what dkf was advocating for.	SolutionisSolidarity	Oct 2013	#59
some people here seem to think exactly that.	Warren Stupidity	Oct 2013	#94
I Know, Sir: She Was Practically An Ambassador From The Wall Street Journal Editorial Page....	The Magistrate	Oct 2013	#110
then perhaps THAT is the problem...	VanillaRhapsody	Oct 2013	#76
I think your assumption that "no hides" = "stays within community standards" is shaky.	winter is coming	Oct 2013	#8
I've seen it happen.	Nye Bevan	Oct 2013	#18
I doubt they hid it. I suspect they deleted it, since posting personal info is a big no-no.	winter is coming	Oct 2013	#27
I think I served on that jury.	murielm99	Oct 2013	#38
dfk never had any effect on me	fadedrose	Oct 2013	#9
No, and for the record, I am against all those things - the drones, NSA spying, and the ACA	quinnox	Oct 2013	#10
Against ACA? Well I am for single payer which puts me at odds with ACA I guess.	L0oniX	Oct 2013	#39
yup, same here	quinnox	Oct 2013	#40
"abomination" oh come one now ...you are being too kind.	L0oniX	Oct 2013	#41
heh heh	quinnox	Oct 2013	#42
Disagree	treestar	Oct 2013	#53
It's all we could get for now and they both know it...	VanillaRhapsody	Oct 2013	#78
Is this supposed to be news?	VanillaRhapsody	Oct 2013	#77
You've got to be kidding me, both with	liberalhistorian	Oct 2013	#11
Hence my use of the word "vociferously" (nt)	Nye Bevan	Oct 2013	#16
+1000	Starry Messenger	Oct 2013	#60
Starry, have you noticed that we haven't had to contend	liberalhistorian	Oct 2013	#182
^this^ is reality. nt	Zorra	Oct 2013	#74
+1000 x infinity nt	Doremus	Oct 2013	#85
1000 x infinity is just plain old infinity.	Nye Bevan	Oct 2013	#141
I really don't care	Gman	Oct 2013	#13
He did post positive (For Democrats) OP's from time to time.	Savannahmann	Oct 2013	#14
Thanks, I missed that one. Too little, too late? (nt)	Nye Bevan	Oct 2013	#15
It changed it's tune a little	wickerwoman	Oct 2013	#36
True Story	Savannahmann	Oct 2013	#71
good points	questionseverything	Oct 2013	#133
Have another look at the Terms of Service for DU.	wickerwoman	Oct 2013	#162
After reading your comment, I almost feel like my Meta thread was a bad thing.	stevenleser	Oct 2013	#136
I never saw anything whatsoever positive about Dems from that one.	kestrel91316	Oct 2013	#65
Missed a choice.	HubertHeaver	Oct 2013	#20
I'll add that as an option.	Nye Bevan	Oct 2013	#24
Thanks	HubertHeaver	Oct 2013	#69
Someone who critized NSA spying and drones, but then touched the third-rail re the ACA.	AnotherMcIntosh	Oct 2013	#122
Nope.	bravenak	Oct 2013	#26
I actually do not care	etherealtruth	Oct 2013	#28
Same here. nt	Mojorabbit	Oct 2013	#177
no idea who DFK is or what is going on. nt	Deep13	Oct 2013	#29
Dkf was/is a republican and this site is for Democrats only.	Kingofalldems	Oct 2013	#30
10 years on DU ...wow	L0oniX	Oct 2013	#34
I'm beginning to wonder what the benefit is supposed to be from chatting on this site.	L0oniX	Oct 2013	#31
Well, it's not here so that RW shills can post their talking points all day long.	kestrel91316	Oct 2013	#66
So you admit you are not one of us?	VanillaRhapsody	Oct 2013	#81
define "us"	Warren Stupidity	Oct 2013	#89
Liberals who want to work "within the system"	VanillaRhapsody	Oct 2013	#93
you're funny.	Warren Stupidity	Oct 2013	#95
No actually I am being perfectly serious...it says "within the system" right there...	VanillaRhapsody	Oct 2013	#100
I am going to ask you a question I hope you can answer.	sabrina 1	Oct 2013	#135
Where did I say Most?	VanillaRhapsody	Oct 2013	#138
Can you define 'the system'. Right now, eg the 'system' is being	sabrina 1	Oct 2013	#144
ie within the political system....you know the Democrats...	VanillaRhapsody	Oct 2013	#145
You said that already and it still makes no sense. You seem to be	sabrina 1	Oct 2013	#147
It makes perfect sense and you know it....	VanillaRhapsody	Oct 2013	#148
Do you support cuts to SS ? Is your definition of 'far, far left	sabrina 1	Oct 2013	#149
This is why I don't bother. Ask a direct question and get back word salad.	Warren Stupidity	Oct 2013	#161
The fringe is exactly what it is....	VanillaRhapsody	Oct 2013	#166
You will be assimilated.	L0oniX	Oct 2013	#165
Another one hits the ignore dungeon. Enjoy!	L0oniX	Oct 2013	#163
I miss some of the freewheeling dialog	lumberjack_jeff	Oct 2013	#117
No, the banning of certain other people	Blue_In_AK	Oct 2013	#33
+1	L0oniX	Oct 2013	#35
The owners of this board can do what they want...	polichick	Oct 2013	#37
Change....like the Teaparty expects the Republicans to change?	VanillaRhapsody	Oct 2013	#83
The tea party is a bogus front for the 1%...	polichick	Oct 2013	#97
No actually they are not....they are funded by them...but there ARE people in that party who	VanillaRhapsody	Oct 2013	#99
Well, there is some dispute over who they are at this point - but who cares?	polichick	Oct 2013	#118
I still don't miss Meta (Nt)	Recursion	Oct 2013	#44
Ask the Administrators is so much more civilized.	Nye Bevan	Oct 2013	#46
If you have dkf type arguments to make, take them to Reddit.	SolutionisSolidarity	Oct 2013	#45
This was a question, not an argument.	Nye Bevan	Oct 2013	#47
You've made several posts lamenting the loss of this poster.	SolutionisSolidarity	Oct 2013	#56
If by "several" you mean "zero" then you are correct. (nt)	Nye Bevan	Oct 2013	#63
Facts have ruined many of good story, including apparently this one.	AnotherMcIntosh	Oct 2013	#120
Well, there's the OP concern poll, plus your comments in WillyT's post.	SolutionisSolidarity	Oct 2013	#164
"We" believe in MANY things	demwing	Oct 2013	#67
The TOC clearly state that this is a liberal site, so if you aren't one, then please STFU.	SolutionisSolidarity	Oct 2013	#68
What is a liberal?	demwing	Oct 2013	#75
Dfk was a right winger. That got them banned. If you are like them, it will happen to you too.	SolutionisSolidarity	Oct 2013	#86
Still waiting for that list	demwing	Oct 2013	#88
Please hold your breath.	SolutionisSolidarity	Oct 2013	#91
That's exactly what I thought	demwing	Oct 2013	#98
Sorry, cowpoke, this ain't my first dance at the internet rodeo.	SolutionisSolidarity	Oct 2013	#159
its more than that...it says "within" the system...	VanillaRhapsody	Oct 2013	#92
Fair enough. Until the Republicans are defeated, splinter factions have to be crushed.	SolutionisSolidarity	Oct 2013	#96
No, it gives me hope that we can	roody	Oct 2013	#48
It won't change the way I post.	In_The_Wind	Oct 2013	#49
Interesting	Aerows	Oct 2013	#50
He moved up on the depth chart. nt	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Oct 2013	#55
True that, lol.	BootinUp	Oct 2013	#102
Something else...	pipi_k	Oct 2013	#51
Its made me reluctant to post in any dfk meta thread	NoOneMan	Oct 2013	#54
Nope.	Igel	Oct 2013	#58
No--it was his/her blatant use of obvious	tblue37	Oct 2013	#61
No. I have always been against things like drones, NSA surveillance,	Autumn	Oct 2013	#62
DKF did nothing but post negative stuff about liberals and liberal policies	kestrel91316	Oct 2013	#64
She seemed to express her opposition to NSA spying and drones on a regular basis.	AnotherMcIntosh	Oct 2013	#106
she pushed rightwing propaganda and talking points.	geek tragedy	Oct 2013	#70
+1	gollygee	Oct 2013	#82
I ain't sorry to see dkf showed the door: trolls is just gonna troll	struggle4progress	Oct 2013	#72
'dkf' had at least five hidden posts on DU3 - I have no idea how many deleted on DU2.	Make7	Oct 2013	#73
I think you missed the Whole Point of the banning.	Whisp	Oct 2013	#87
I was chased out of Interfaith for asking Christians direct questions.	Manifestor_of_Light	Oct 2013	#90
Voltaire was chased out of a few neighborhoods.	AnotherMcIntosh	Oct 2013	#107
Nope.	Iggo	Oct 2013	#101
dkf's banning was NOT "the mother of all admin overrides of the jury system" or anything else...	Spazito	Oct 2013	#103
I can see the dilemma for the admins here.	Nye Bevan	Oct 2013	#113
If the admin's goal was solely to generate traffic by encouraging posters like dkf....	Spazito	Oct 2013	#129
Indeed! +1 eom	Purveyor	Oct 2013	#150
It's not a question though of wanting DU to be a 'clone of the Barack Obama group'	LeftishBrit	Oct 2013	#175
Perhaps "clone of the Barack Obama group" was an exaggeration	Nye Bevan	Oct 2013	#176
Your Poll, Sir, Is High-Grade Bull-Shit	The Magistrate	Oct 2013	#104
Thank you, Sir	shanine	Oct 2013	#125
^What you said^ n/t	Violet_Crumble	Oct 2013	#127
I agree. The admins are extraordinarily lenient when enforcing the TOS	steve2470	Oct 2013	#155
Exactly.	zappaman	Oct 2013	#180
The reason I voted 'yes' is because as we move forward with the legalization of marijuana..	Tikki	Oct 2013	#105
Worried, Nye? Lol.	morningfog	Oct 2013	#108
LOL!	Egalitarian Thug	Oct 2013	#111
The OP is one who prides himself on skirting the line.	morningfog	Oct 2013	#116
Terrified.	Nye Bevan	Oct 2013	#119
Lol.	morningfog	Oct 2013	#121
I yam what I yam. Bulls-eye and all.	lumberjack_jeff	Oct 2013	#109
I've certainly made some enemies here.	Nye Bevan	Oct 2013	#123
I disagree with you about NAFTA and Citizens united.	lumberjack_jeff	Oct 2013	#124
Thanks, and I'm glad there's somewhere on the internet where we can debate stuff like that	Nye Bevan	Oct 2013	#128
I am more careful than I used to be...	defacto7	Oct 2013	#112
I'm as big an asshat as always	Coyotl	Oct 2013	#139
The TOS trumps community standards.	Gormy Cuss	Oct 2013	#114
Why?	Rex	Oct 2013	#115
No, coz unlike dkf, I'm not a RW troll...	Violet_Crumble	Oct 2013	#126
A lot of people suspected DKF was a RW troll	Renew Deal	Oct 2013	#130
He/she supported too many repub/rw things. It was NOT "the mother of all admin overrides..."	uppityperson	Oct 2013	#131
Cutting and pasting from post 103 here:	Nye Bevan	Oct 2013	#132
You forgot to bold the most important bit...	Violet_Crumble	Oct 2013	#142
no because I'm not a RW troll nt	arely staircase	Oct 2013	#134
Why would banning a troll make me cautious, unless I was a troll?	OregonBlue	Oct 2013	#137
No, why should it? I'm not a Republican.	BainsBane	Oct 2013	#140
No. I won't post on some of the Forums because it's not worth the hassle of dealing with the	hobbit709	Oct 2013	#143
Goodness no!	LeftishBrit	Oct 2013	#146
MIRT had nothing to do with the nuking...	Violet_Crumble	Oct 2013	#151
Post edited to take this info into account.	LeftishBrit	Oct 2013	#152
I voted No, because I will not change. I am aware what defending liberal positions might cost. nt	Demo_Chris	Oct 2013	#153
You think dfk got banned because of the defense of liberal positions? nt	msanthrope	Oct 2013	#158
I don't follow that stuff, sorry...	Demo_Chris	Oct 2013	#168
What liberal positions did dkf exhibit exactly?	Rex	Oct 2013	#160
I have no idea who DKF is or what he posted about...	Demo_Chris	Oct 2013	#167
There's a crew that's keep Mead afloat with notebook sales over these kind of things.	ScreamingMeemie	Oct 2013	#179
It actually is a little creepy...	Demo_Chris	Oct 2013	#181
There are plenty of DUers who have no interest whatsoever in any opinion that differs from theirs,	Nye Bevan	Oct 2013	#183
That is blatantly untrue. I have disagreed extremely publicly with the President on half a dozen	stevenleser	Oct 2013	#184
So what did 121 DUers (many long-termers and/or star members) do to get banned from the BOG?	Nye Bevan	Oct 2013	#185
Obviously they picked a fight in the BOG forum	BootinUp	Oct 2013	#187
That is a different question. You said you had to agree with everything. Thats not true. nt	stevenleser	Oct 2013	#188
Me too	BainsBane	Oct 2013	#169
Huh?	NoGOPZone	Oct 2013	#156
I ran across this illuminating quote today, maybe you will find it	kenny blankenship	Oct 2013	#172
That is profound.	Lasher	Oct 2013	#173
Revisionist crap. S/He defended racists like Zimmerman at every	ecstatic	Oct 2013	#174
I sure as hell don't criticize like DKF did and I also like the "mosque" at ground zero	DevonRex	Oct 2013	#186

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