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Agnosticsherbet

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Mon Oct 28, 2013, 11:40 AM Oct 2013

Psychologists Propose Horrifying Solution to PTSD in Drone Operators [View all]

Psychologists Propose Horrifying Solution to PTSD in Drone Operators
Drone operators often kill their targets from a continent away, but studies suggest that even thousands of miles of distance cannot mitigate war's devastating psychological effects. But just wait until you hear how researchers propose preventing PTSD, alcohol abuse and thoughts of suicide in drone operators.
The latest issue of GQ features a stunning read, written by Michael Powers, about former Air Force drone sensor operator Brandon Bryant and his military service. One of the first pilots to speak out about his experience with the drone program, Bryant paints a frightening portrait of death-dealing from a distance, and the psychological trauma wrought by his nearly six-years of service as a drone operator.

It's a captivating read – one definitely worth reading in its entirety – but we were particularly struck by the section exploring Bryant's PTSD diagnosis, which he received just a few months after his heavy conscience led him to leave the Air Force:

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These effects [PTSD, alcohol abuse, suicidal ideation] appeared to spike at the exact time of Bryant's deployment, during the surge in Iraq. (Chillingly, to mitigate these effects, researchers have proposed creating a Siri-like user interface, a virtual copilot that anthropomorphizes the drone and lets crews shunt off the blame for whatever happens. Siri, have those people killed.)


I think that putting Siri in charge of all that death and destruction is wrong headed an, ultimately, will fail. The article reveals evidence that it isn't necessary to be there in the middle of it when the shit comes down. People sitting at a computer terminal in Nevada receive a "moral injury" when placed in these situation. Telling Siri to blow up those people will extract the same toll as operating the drone, guiding the missile, or putting a bullet through he head of another person. War is ugly, but it is part of what we are. Even our nearest relatives, Bonobos and other great apes, fight wars. When a war is necessary, putting these layers of insulation between the soldier and the act will just make unnecessary wars more likely.

If we don't perceive a high cost to an endeavor, we don't think about it quite so much.

If we must fight, then everybody should fight. Every citizen should pay the cost.
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A moral firewall. Octafish Oct 2013 #1
I don't agree that if it is "just cause" there is no shame or guilt. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #2
That's all true. Octafish Oct 2013 #36
I say I have tp agree with you Octafish madokie Oct 2013 #41
Ridiculous cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #7
Sorry, Octa. I think you're wrong on this one. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #10
Plenty of US troops came home from Europe nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #12
Most humans sarisataka Oct 2013 #13
It's more like a third who will not fire for effect in their first battle FarCenter Oct 2013 #51
Spoken like someone who's never been there. Xithras Oct 2013 #16
The good news, there is some, you are normal nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #20
+1 nt MADem Oct 2013 #56
I can't agree. Everybody gets PTSD in wars. Dash87 Oct 2013 #27
Most people seem to disagree with your first statement, but for me I believe it Victor_c3 Oct 2013 #33
Thank you, Victor_c3. Octafish Oct 2013 #38
Jesus Christ! What the fuck is wrong with this country?! polichick Oct 2013 #3
Better question is "WTF is wrong with mankind?". Skidmore Oct 2013 #6
There are a lot of countries that aren't going around the globe killing people. polichick Oct 2013 #8
There are lots of countries that kill their own and others with impunity in Skidmore Oct 2013 #14
You're looking at the worst and saying we're better - I'm looking at the best... polichick Oct 2013 #18
I'm saying that we are not one whit different Skidmore Oct 2013 #21
That's just an excuse not to do anything about our out-of-control mic. polichick Oct 2013 #22
No, it's not. Skidmore Oct 2013 #28
So what? Therefore our drone killings are okay? polichick Oct 2013 #29
Did I say or imply that? Skidmore Oct 2013 #30
Yes, you implied it. polichick Oct 2013 #31
In what manner? Skidmore Oct 2013 #35
No worries. A lot of countries could be using drones but choose not to... polichick Oct 2013 #37
what other countries are drone killing grandmothers picking okra? solarhydrocan Oct 2013 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2013 #53
Yeah, things have gotten so crazy. polichick Oct 2013 #55
Why not just outsource it to a third world sweatshop for pennies per day? JVS Oct 2013 #4
DON'T give them any ideas... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #23
Wow. Enders Game comes to life cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #5
My first thought too. MuseRider Oct 2013 #11
I had the same thought. TDale313 Oct 2013 #17
I must admit I am partial to the short story nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #26
Siri doesn't even understand me. Baitball Blogger Oct 2013 #15
Yup, I ask for directions from A to B Denninmi Oct 2013 #24
It is impossible to reconcile KT2000 Oct 2013 #19
Siri is too tame a name. They shoud use something more macho... JHB Oct 2013 #25
Skynet came to mind here, too. GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #42
I like Colossus... "Welcome to world control..." nt longship Oct 2013 #49
This is just awful... CoffeeCat Oct 2013 #32
I suppose, but we're really REALLY good at it. nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #39
Siri, bomb those tents Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #34
Siri, bomb those children... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #40
We may be able to lessen the PTSD of individual soldiers... CoffeeCat Oct 2013 #44
It is apparently acceptable to everyone but the victims.... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #50
Cortana Orrex Oct 2013 #43
The guy actually running the drone is no less a tool than the siri/cortana/skynet persona. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #46
Very true--that's the problem exactly Orrex Oct 2013 #47
this is like science fiction d_r Oct 2013 #45
Think cyberpunk nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2013 #52
Maybe being in the dock for war crimes will help. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #54
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