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JackRiddler

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14. I enjoy the assumptions here...

Reply to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:15 AM

Nov 2013

Such as that HRC is as good as set up for 2016. In no way! No more than in 2008...

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Would you be in favor of a vigorous primary challenge against Hillary from the left, [View all] Nye Bevan Nov 2013 OP

Absolutely. It would force her to the left. It would raise issues and positions that would otherwise morningfog Nov 2013 #1

Exactly. arcane1 Nov 2013 #3

Oh, yes. That worked so well with Hubert Humphrey. pnwmom Nov 2013 #17

The vocal population here isn't representative of the party as a whole. MADem Nov 2013 #27

"Challenger" doesn't have to mean "winner" necessarily. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #33

She's a talented debater and public speaker. MADem Nov 2013 #35

Please name a single Democratic President in the last 50 years pnwmom Nov 2013 #45

Obama BeyondGeography Nov 2013 #51

Except President Obama didn't have a primary challenger. pnwmom Nov 2013 #60

I thought we were talking about Hillary, who is not President BeyondGeography Nov 2013 #63

You're right, of course. I was used to people arguing this about pnwmom Nov 2013 #73

The only challenger I'd accept is Sanders, who she'd then choose as her running mate in the General. ancianita Nov 2013 #69

He'd almost certainly decline such an offer. Chan790 Nov 2013 #84

Actually we are representative of the party as a whole. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #44

You think we can pick a candidate who will do better in the general? pnwmom Nov 2013 #46

Since I consider a Clinton nomination to be a foregone conclusion we will lose the GE? Yes. n/t Chan790 Nov 2013 #85

Why do you think any Rethug will beat her? n/t pnwmom Nov 2013 #90

Well put davidpdx Nov 2013 #71

It worked quite well, we got reforms. bemildred Nov 2013 #37

Wow. Now there's an amazing oversimplification of 1968. n/t winter is coming Nov 2013 #57

Only rhetorically. ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #32

Of course...it'll force her to the left... RichGirl Nov 2013 #49

If Hillary is too weak to handle a vigorous primary campaign, she's too weak to be a nominee. n/t winter is coming Nov 2013 #2

She is too weak. She can't take surprises and can't think on her feet. Whisp Nov 2013 #78

Worse, I would be irreversibly defeated and depressed if Hillary Clinton goes unchallenged. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #4

Me too. bunnies Nov 2013 #56

I think that this early 'groundswell' of HappyMe Nov 2013 #61

I agree with you. bunnies Nov 2013 #91

There are people here already calling her HappyMe Nov 2013 #92

FFS. bunnies Nov 2013 #93

I heard she cured cancer last night!!1 HappyMe Nov 2013 #94

How could that be? Fumesucker Nov 2013 #5

They will, of course, say that about whomever we nominate. Laelth Nov 2013 #53

I'm not convinced that... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #6

Any such campaigns will need to manifest themselves pretty soon. Loudly Nov 2013 #7

Ms. Clinton is carefully watching the media for clues to increase her base Half-Century Man Nov 2013 #8

+1 nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #34

Well there's the fact that she can HappyMe Nov 2013 #62

You know what would increase my opinion of Hillary? Chan790 Nov 2013 #86

What a waste of time... brooklynite Nov 2013 #9

I'm working to draft Alan Grayson. What are you doing? Other than posting on the internet assuming sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #13

I've been very public about what I'm doing...but then, I'm not a Hillary hater brooklynite Nov 2013 #18

I don't think Hillary Clinton will play any role in deciding if Grayson will run. Fearless Nov 2013 #30

If Grayson gets a thin dime from any Congressional PACs to finance his MADem Nov 2013 #31

Could you post some information about Brian Schweitzer? Thanks. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #43

When Hillary voted for Bush's Iraq War she disqualified herself as a candidate for the WH. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #83

+1 nt MADem Nov 2013 #28

or even from the center nt msongs Nov 2013 #10

I want our candidate to win the White House. That said, I think that prognostication Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #11

Also, it's not a "Primary challenge" to Hillary, since she hasn't won anything yet. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #12

I think 'primary challenge' means to challenge her in the Primary, not to let her be the only sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #15

The IWR is still a sticking point for me, to be sure. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #19

Why aren't you a party leader? Are you active in the party in your state? JDPriestly Nov 2013 #41

Good point! JDPriestly Nov 2013 #42

I enjoy the assumptions here... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #14

I'd like to get through December without doing this... Agschmid Nov 2013 #16

Oh, but you must. Enjoy, enjoy! Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #21

too bad. Chan790 Nov 2013 #87

I have no problem with primary challenges to Sec Clinton from both the left and right. The race Rowdyboy Nov 2013 #20

Anyone should be allowed to run in the primary no matter what side of the party they are on. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #22

In favor of? 99Forever Nov 2013 #23

Artificial poll. A contrived and useless dichotomy. longship Nov 2013 #24

+1 Nine Nov 2013 #50

It would have to be from the left. Who could be more from the right than her? Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #25

+1 daleanime Nov 2013 #26

Without a doubt. Fearless Nov 2013 #29

My suspicion is that she will cater to the left base during the primary campaign, make JDPriestly Nov 2013 #40

Yes. BECAUSE progressive policies are actually favored by the majority of all Americans. grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #36

Hell yes I would! I would like to see her pushed more to the left. B Calm Nov 2013 #38

+1!! And, have her on the record-stating progressive policy Rectangle Nov 2013 #70

K&R. Thanks for asking. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #39

it has been decades since a progressive or even a New Deal liberal has mounted a viable campaign Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #47

Pass because I am concentrating on 2014 first. MadrasT Nov 2013 #48

I support a primary challenge from the left ... Laelth Nov 2013 #52

Yes! I think something like this is necessary to nudge the political pendulum more RKP5637 Nov 2013 #54

We need a strong candidate that has fredamae Nov 2013 #55

Why do you consider it a primary against Hillary? peace13 Nov 2013 #58

in the spirit of openness I support Hillary's right to challenge any candidate to the left of her Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #59

I yawn. RagAss Nov 2013 #64

HC has claimed that she won't run again, Jamaal510 Nov 2013 #65

Hjllary is not running. nt Zorra Nov 2013 #66

Uh oh! HappyMe Nov 2013 #67

I'm not because I don't want to give the idiot party of the century sound bites for the General ancianita Nov 2013 #68

It is disappointing that there are still so many who think we should simply consider the primary davidpdx Nov 2013 #72

It's a discussion board where you discuss things. bigwillq Nov 2013 #76

I would, but then what would be the point davidpdx Nov 2013 #88

She's "challenging" for the nomination too. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #74

Well put! Marr Nov 2013 #81

Yes (nt) bigwillq Nov 2013 #75

Why in the world is there anyone who would prefer someone less treestar Nov 2013 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author Change has come Nov 2013 #82

In explanation, I present the mental exercise known as "Monty Hall's Trash Sandwich" Chan790 Nov 2013 #89

LOL, how did I know you'd qualify it with some defeatist centrist nonsense after the title break? Marr Nov 2013 #79

Clinton is not an incumbent, thus it is not a "challenge." JackRiddler Nov 2013 #80

Hell yeah - the Dem Party is irrelevant if... polichick Nov 2013 #95