That's not the way law works (Reply #38)

In the discussion thread: Interesting point that Jon Steward made concerning Hobby Lobby, China, and abortion [View all]

Response to drm604 (Reply #34)

Sat Nov 30, 2013, 12:23 PM

jberryhill (62,444 posts)

38. That's not the way law works

This case is at the second appellate level.

If the company loses "because they are insincere" then the principle left standing is that they could do it if they were sincere.

However, the question of their "sincerity" is not a factual issue of record in this appeal anyway, but nobody is looking for a ruling limited to the factual context of this company's sincerity or lack thereof.

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82 replies	Author	Time	Post
Interesting point that Jon Steward made concerning Hobby Lobby, China, and abortion [View all]	beachbum bob	Nov 2013	OP
Because money tops principles.	Turbineguy	Nov 2013	#1
Because they are only Anti-Abortion for white women	Heather MC	Nov 2013	#36
Who is John Steward?	trumad	Nov 2013	#2
The person that takes care of the toilets.	progressoid	Nov 2013	#9
LOL	Martin Eden	Nov 2013	#11
Me 2!	12AngryBorneoWildmen	Nov 2013	#23
Love that toilet humor!	QuestForSense	Nov 2013	#66
Good job! nm	Cha	Dec 2013	#71
Green Lantern.	Moonwalk	Dec 2013	#70
Sad	Sherman A1	Dec 2013	#80
That John Steward [sic] always making a good point.	JaneyVee	Nov 2013	#3
Made the same comment this past Wed Nov 27th	Fla Dem	Nov 2013	#4
Not "anti-Christianity," anti-religion yes but, not limited to being anti-Christian. eom	DonViejo	Nov 2013	#10
This needs to be spread.	earthside	Nov 2013	#5
You can contact Hobby Lobby here	The Blue Flower	Nov 2013	#19
I sent them a nice note	Voice for Peace	Nov 2013	#28
DONE!	nikto	Nov 2013	#65
I just emailed customern service	pangaia	Nov 2013	#33
A worthy effort.	earthside	Nov 2013	#43
I never even heard of Hobby Lobby until today.	pangaia	Nov 2013	#44
not that Atheist's or Pro-Choice people are bad things...	Burf-_-	Nov 2013	#61
Welcome to DU, Burf-_-!	calimary	Nov 2013	#68
Excellent point!	kentuck	Nov 2013	#6
Very easy to defend…...	safeinOhio	Nov 2013	#8
They only worship one, Mammon, they give lip service to the other. nt	tsuki	Nov 2013	#56
sick burn.....	Burf-_-	Dec 2013	#82
And it seems to me the LAWYERS should be using that as part of their argument.	loudsue	Nov 2013	#7
I had the same thought	warrior1	Nov 2013	#12
Anyone opposed to both contraception and abortion ...	Martin Eden	Nov 2013	#13
John Steward of The Weekly Show fame?	Drunken Irishman	Nov 2013	#14
jon stewart rocks. nt	Sheri	Nov 2013	#15
Jon gets his best zingers from Democratic Underground.	Scuba	Nov 2013	#16
The One child Policy is changing	kmlisle	Nov 2013	#17
Interestingly the one child policy was starting to have the reverse effect	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#20
Males take care of the parents	benld74	Nov 2013	#27
Actually males and females take care of their parents in China	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#30
this is correct	NewJeffCT	Nov 2013	#35
I stand corrected	benld74	Nov 2013	#59
My sister-in-law	NewJeffCT	Nov 2013	#62
they didn't factor in traditional beliefs that women are worth less than men	dlwickham	Nov 2013	#67
The one child policy had an effect on girls that were born, though	NewJeffCT	Nov 2013	#39
It's only a limited change	NewJeffCT	Nov 2013	#37
Yes and no	jberryhill	Nov 2013	#46
Has the OT Senex god ever been rational?	ananda	Nov 2013	#18
Maybe they share Pat Robertson's view that abortion is evil unless	Tanuki	Nov 2013	#21
I Said This Years Ago	otohara	Nov 2013	#22
You can contact their customer service department and ask them that very question.	drm604	Nov 2013	#24
So a company which IS sincere can get one?	jberryhill	Nov 2013	#29
Yes, I said that.	drm604	Nov 2013	#34
That's not the way law works	jberryhill	Nov 2013	#38
Okay. I'm not a lawyer so I shouldn't be speaking to the legal aspects.	drm604	Nov 2013	#50
easier said then done	Niceguy1	Nov 2013	#52
Understood.	drm604	Nov 2013	#55
Bingo.	BlueCaliDem	Dec 2013	#78
k and r	niyad	Nov 2013	#25
The anti-abortion crowd by and large do not stand on any morals,	JEB	Nov 2013	#26
Great post, beachbum bob!	Enthusiast	Nov 2013	#31
So it is okay for their Chinese employees to have abortions/birth control, even mandatory, but	DeschutesRiver	Nov 2013	#32
Never mind the hypocrisy - granting exemptions based on religious beliefs is just a bad idea.	Flatulo	Nov 2013	#40
I honestly believe that these rwfreaks wear their hypocrisy as a badge of honour...	Tikki	Nov 2013	#41
You are correct	Bozvotros	Dec 2013	#72
Wow. That is a great point.	Justice	Nov 2013	#42
Apparently abortion is only immoral if it negatively affects their bottom line.	progressoid	Nov 2013	#45
My comment on Hobby Lobby's Contact Us form	NBachers	Nov 2013	#47
Daaaaaamn! You're good!	TheDebbieDee	Nov 2013	#63
well worded commentary to Hobby Lobby	beachbum bob	Dec 2013	#75
Bullseye! Let's make this a meme	The Traveler	Nov 2013	#48
Pat Robertson said in the Eighties that doing business with forced abortion China was okay...	freshwest	Nov 2013	#49
REALITY	weissmam	Nov 2013	#51
These shoppers will do whatever their pastors are paid to tell them to do. nt	valerief	Nov 2013	#53
I know. But also Hobby Lobby has purchased "sacred" texts and stuffed them	glinda	Nov 2013	#54
According to a Supreme Court Decision,	The Wizard	Nov 2013	#57
Scalia has no problem being a hypocrit as we well know	beachbum bob	Dec 2013	#77
This is great stuff!	riqster	Nov 2013	#58
Thank you for this post, beachbum bob and welcome to DU, in case you haven't gotten	japple	Nov 2013	#60
thanks, I usually don't have alot of time....	beachbum bob	Dec 2013	#74
"Obviously the sense of "entitlement" is twisted. Its good for me but not for thee"	BlueCaliDem	Dec 2013	#79
Any company email adress we could send a message thru?	nikto	Nov 2013	#64
their corporate website has contact info	beachbum bob	Dec 2013	#76
Just sent a tweet to Hobby Lobby	dlwickham	Nov 2013	#69
Brilliant observation.	avaistheone1	Dec 2013	#73
Maybe Chinese fetuses don't count?	Quantess	Dec 2013	#81

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