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In reply to the discussion: Has DU Turned The Corner On The JFK CT BS? Apparently So. [View all]Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)297. Ruby didn't have to be a "member," he was connected regardless and he knew the consequences
of not obeying the Mafia.
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If my OP is porn, then what does that make threads that aver LBJ had JFK killed?
stopbush
Dec 2013
#86
Correct..The supposed "above it all" whiners are just younger DUer's who don't remember & don't care
whathehell
Dec 2013
#329
Despite all of the attempts to quash other opinion, the idea that Kennedy was killed by a lone
Th1onein
Dec 2013
#2
The "facts" allowed in by the fixed WC and not shredded by the CIA over the last 50 yrs
arendt
Dec 2013
#11
McAdams rarely offers his opinion at his website. All he does is provide links
stopbush
Dec 2013
#87
Nothing prevents both forward and backward spatter from a bullet to the back of the head:
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#186
Gee, how can one be sure JFK was even killed? It could have all been a huge special effect.
stopbush
Dec 2013
#85
No, it's not a matter of fact and evidence. In fact, that is disputed by many.
Th1onein
Dec 2013
#13
That they have the right to their opinion, and that the Warren commission MIGHT be wrong.
Th1onein
Dec 2013
#168
No, I .didn't. Even if it was completely correct, people have a right to question.
Th1onein
Dec 2013
#173
But to what end? What's the point of the questioning if the WCR did get it completely right?
stopbush
Dec 2013
#273
To whatever end they damn well like, and no, it is certainly NOT along the lines
whathehell
Dec 2013
#336
Have you ever heard of a "positivist"?...Look it up...Most consider them absurd now.
whathehell
Dec 2013
#350
There's no surer sign that of desperately losing an argument than name-calling.
whathehell
Dec 2013
#353
"Clearly" to you, lol?...Sorry, dear, you're the one who gave yourself away with the name calling..
whathehell
Dec 2013
#363
I generally credit people with having enough intelligence to be able to read English and understand.
Spider Jerusalem
Dec 2013
#359
Lame..You just admitted to changing your spelling when you began living in the UK
whathehell
Dec 2013
#361
Says you, and given your OP and the quality and amount of pushback you've gotten,
whathehell
Dec 2013
#380
Yes, I'm sure you are more "evidence-based" than people like Secretary of State, John Kerry, LOL
whathehell
Dec 2013
#394
Um, right...Unfortunately, you started the whole stupid thing but I'm ending it, okay?
whathehell
Dec 2013
#398
I always wonder about people who come to our discussion board and tell us not to discuss
yurbud
Dec 2013
#327
I know where it came from. Unfortunately, we don't have one for trolls who think glib insults pass
yurbud
Dec 2013
#368
I hopeyou meant to say that a majority THINK there was a conspiracy. And by the way, it's Kool-Aid.
11 Bravo
Dec 2013
#12
That's what I got from it too, someone who asserts they know better than others and criticizes any
gtar100
Dec 2013
#22
You haven't stopped anything. People are allowed to have different opinions than
liberal_at_heart
Dec 2013
#18
Ordering the Administration around, demanding they do what you want? Are you an admins
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#19
Three or four people on a site this big is not 'lots of people'. The rest of us, the huge majority
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#25
you have "freedom" and "liberty" disorder. Your right to say whatever you want on this site
Pretzel_Warrior
Dec 2013
#28
I did. If people continue to post stupid JFK conspiracy shit, I am sure moderators will be
Pretzel_Warrior
Dec 2013
#35
you're welcome. any reply to you is a welcome addition to my prodigious posting count
Pretzel_Warrior
Dec 2013
#38
Well, maybe now it's time for the rest of us, who generally have enough respect for the Admins not
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#51
I deduce from all your arble garble that you consider JFK CT a "serious issue".
Pretzel_Warrior
Dec 2013
#55
are the Kool-Aid drinkers the ones who believe the governments initial positions, or the ones who di
LanternWaste
Dec 2013
#32
No one in the "fact based community" has been able to explain why the Mafia wanted Oswald dead.
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#43
Yes Ruby was on friendly terms with the police and sheriff's department, the Mafia wanted him to be.
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#64
Mafia informant words have been accepted before Sheeran, Valachi is just one example
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#78
That factoid is irrelevant to the case and ignores all the evidence that says LHO acted alone.
The Midway Rebel
Dec 2013
#120
The plans for JFK's Dallas trip were finalized in September, they decided to extend a one day short
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#124
The driver may not have known what was in the box but the coincidence of both transportation,
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#155
Ruby seems to have suggested to the Warren Commission he was afraid of the Birchers:
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#182
There is no record of the Birchers having killed anyone, the same can't be said for the Mafia.
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#224
The first question, in evaluating whatever Ruby said, is: What did Ruby say?
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#242
To the contrary while Ruby claims not to use temporary insanity as defense, De Facto that's
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#248
So we agree Ruby's main concern before the WC was his own death sentence for killing LHO
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#255
Yes Ruby wanted to avoid the death sentence but he also feared for his sister's life.
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#258
The Sheeran allegations are contained in a book published after Sheeran's death, allegedly reporting
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#267
Dr. Werner Tuteur: Aided Survivors Of Nazi Camps (Chicago Trib | August 25, 1991|By Kenan Heise)
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#282
Ruby had mental problems but he had enough political awareness to know who and what political
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#389
I don't know enough about Ruth Paine or her neighbor which gave the job recommendation to make a
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#235
It doesn't take the entirety of any of those institutions which you list, just a few elements
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#239
Seems like a lot of pieces of your puzzle do not fit together and the theory is self contradictory.
The Midway Rebel
Dec 2013
#240
Paine isn't the only one concerned about Oswald's mental state, his friend George de Mohrenschildt
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#247
This would the same Warren Commission which stated that Ruby didn't have a "significant link"
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#253
So if I understand you correctly you are willing to throw out all of the WCR
The Midway Rebel
Dec 2013
#283
It wasn't just one Mafia Hitman, there was plenty of evidence linking Ruby to organized crime.
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#285
Ruby didn't have to be a "member," he was connected regardless and he knew the consequences
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#297
That's not what the House Select Committee and other investigations have demonstrated.
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#321
de Mohrenschildt was involuntarily committed in 1976, on his wife's request: she noted then
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#315
Thanks for the correction, not finalized in all details but by your link September is when the plans
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#187
Once it was established in September that Kennedy's trip would be extended and that
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#225
There are only so many routes from Love Field to the Dallas Trade Mart, that was the most logical
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#237
Except the Trade Mart wasn't selected as the location until 14 November.
Spider Jerusalem
Dec 2013
#252
The decision to speak to a wide venue was set in September and the Dallas Trade Mart was
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#254
The first paragraph makes my point, the Dallas Trade Mart was the most logical choice.
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#259
The rest of it points out that Oswald was working there before any of this was decided
Spider Jerusalem
Dec 2013
#260
It makes no difference whether the assassin was placed there before the route or the
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#262
Oswald moved to Ft Worth on 6/14/1962 - a year and a half before he killed JFK.
stopbush
Dec 2013
#270
Oswald wasn't living in Texas in September of 63, he was in New Orleans since April of 63.
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#274
Oswald's family was brought back to Dallas in September, Oswald followed a few days later.
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#280
I was just reading her testimony regarding Oswald shooting at General Walker and she says
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#296
I said Paine seemed credible on the video, I also said I didn't know of her neighbor
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#275
Ruby's connections weren't perripheral and he didn't have to be member of organized crime
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#311
You just demonstrated by your post what we're capable of doing and yet you refuse to believe
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#313
That's because those were other nations and their people, justice departments and press
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#316
If your link does anything, it supports my contention, they were concerned with who Oswald met
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#374
We don't know what transpired in regards to Oswald's meetings in Mexico because that evidence
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#388
Except we kind of do know what transpired in regard to Oswald's meetings in Mexico
Spider Jerusalem
Dec 2013
#390
The actual evidence is that 2500 people were expected to attend Kennedy's Speech, this was
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#401
Again, when they met at the White House in September, they determined that JFK
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#403
I hope you take a look at this article about who owned the Texas Schoolbook Depository Building
Samantha
Dec 2013
#324
That motorcade went way out of its way to put downtown on the route from Love Field
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#279
If you're going to drive slow and expose the President to large number of people it is.
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#281
Fifty years later, with this assassination and various assassination attempts on record,
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#284
I agree, struggle4progress, but some of this was just stupid even for that day and there was
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#287
Perhaps because the police vehicle wasn't moved or perhaps because Ruby's informant told him the
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#304
And in regards to the security guards being removed from the door during Oswald's transport,
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#63
I suppose Ruby could've rented a bunk or brought his sleeping bag to the police dept. but that
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#70
Which still doesn't explain why he wasn't there when Oswald was scheduled to be transferred...
Spider Jerusalem
Dec 2013
#76
When did they announce that they would be moving Oswald in the press conference?
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#81
I'm wondering why Ruby would believe this if Oswald had already been transferred an hour before?
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#96
But the crowd was still there nearly an hour afterwards, logic should tell you the transfer had not
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#109
No wonder they don't allow polygraph tests to be used as evidence anymore, Ruby
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#121
Ruby had the best opportunity to kill Oswald he had connections and was on friendly terms with
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#122
That's all in the eye of the beholder, I believe Ruby had more than just "loose contacts" going
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#130
What's wrong with believing in SOME conspiracies and believing the government sometimes
stopbush
Dec 2013
#108
Maybe just look at the evidence. You know, ballistics, witnesses, fingerprints, etc.
DanTex
Dec 2013
#119
I wish I were so sure of shady 3rd parties with an agendas were on the up and up, as you are.
RC
Dec 2013
#147
And with that broad brush, you've just indicted every Democrat serving in any political position
stopbush
Dec 2013
#152
Gawd! It's such a tired whine to proclaim "unlike you, my mind isn't made up yet."
stopbush
Dec 2013
#377
Agreed. 2017 will be to JFk CTists what 2012 was to Mayan Calendar end timers.
stopbush
Dec 2013
#137
Correct...About 80 percent of the American people do NOT believe the Warren commission..
whathehell
Dec 2013
#341
Use the "hide this thread" option instead of shutting down discussion that's important to others.
pacalo
Dec 2013
#157
My OP simply asks that the CT discussions be moved back to where they once resided.
stopbush
Dec 2013
#167
who are you, and what in the holy fuck makes you think you can call a majority of us morons?
DisgustipatedinCA
Dec 2013
#127
That's because we have more members too young and too disinterested to care.
whathehell
Dec 2013
#347
But there are so many possibilities that have never been ruled out! For example, maybe JFK faked
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#128
The problem with your little diatribe is that the difference between THIS issue and any other where
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#143
Holy McMoly! Some people are disagreeing with others on the internet! I bet they're paid by the CIA!
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#171
Fifty years after the event, no alternative theory, supported by clear evidence, has appeared:
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#184
Jacqueline Kennedy told the Warren Commission she remembered hearing two shots, not four
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#241
She also says she first realized something was wrong when Connally began yelling, at which point
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#318
I care because people like you distort the record and spout lies about the evidence.
stopbush
Dec 2013
#149
'I think it's time to stop treating you as misinformed and start treating you as overtly dishonest.'
Octafish
Dec 2013
#213
You're the poster who got angry at me for not explaining an OP written by zappaman.
Octafish
Dec 2013
#217
Lookit what the ''authoritative'' JFK debunker John McAdams keeps on his website...
Octafish
Dec 2013
#208
Actually, the fervor with which any talk of alternate explanations is stomped on is very interesting
djean111
Dec 2013
#207
What's worse is that those who are pathologically incapable of questioning authority
whatchamacallit
Dec 2013
#212
Questioning "authority" is one thing, but believing in conspiracies where NONE exist
duffyduff
Dec 2013
#226
WE are the media. We. Us. You and I in this public forum are the media.
The Midway Rebel
Dec 2013
#238
The same Desmond Fitzgerald who lied when he met Mafia-hired killer Rolando Cubela?
Octafish
Dec 2013
#351
Colonel Oliver North said something along those very same lines to the Tower Commission.
LanternWaste
Dec 2013
#246
There was no evidence because there was no chain of custody on the so-called "evidence."
Zen Democrat
Dec 2013
#257
So you believe that in-house assassinations (Indira, Benazir, Anwar, e.g.) happen only elsewhere? OK
WinkyDink
Dec 2013
#244
President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy
Omaha Steve
Dec 2013
#295
"Hello, you don't understand our government nearly as much as you think you do", lol.
whathehell
Dec 2013
#349
The general relative lack of interest in JFK and questions about the Warren Report
JDPriestly
Dec 2013
#335
If there was a "general lack of interest in JFK and questions about the Warren Report" I doubt
whathehell
Dec 2013
#344
My theory is that Oswald did it, but that he was encouraged to do it by third parties whose
JDPriestly
Dec 2013
#373