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138. What facts are those?

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 12:20 PM

Dec 2013

Honestly, I'm not trying to be snarky, I just know very little about this case.

However, when it comes to high level college athletes, I do tend to believe the accuser in the bulk of the cases. I'd really like to be informed on this issue.

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40 years of college football's sexual assault problem [View all] niyad Dec 2013 OP

Not every accusation is true. Ask Brian Banks. nt lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #1

And here we have part of the problem...no, not every accusation is true... joeybee12 Dec 2013 #2

I know nothing about the case except this... lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #4

the state attorney did not think the case was winnable. slight difference. but keep trying. niyad Dec 2013 #5

It's a difference, but I'd characterize it as xulamaude Dec 2013 #7

That's ok by me Sgent Dec 2013 #6

If that is true, a) it's inexcusable and b) should justify rolling heads at the PD. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #19

That kind of thing happens several times every day BainsBane Dec 2013 #57

Which is how rape culture is propagated BainsBane Dec 2013 #63

since, by your own admission, you know nothing about the case, perhaps you could educate niyad Dec 2013 #72

The thing is, I know exactly as much as you do. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #73

wow--that is one of the funnier statements I have seen today. thanks, I needed the laughs. niyad Dec 2013 #75

You "lack" a "belief system"!!! xulamaude Dec 2013 #84

More accurately, my belief system is the one taught in civics 101. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #87

I took civics 101 too - xulamaude Dec 2013 #89

Okay. Then what does Blackstone's formulation mean to you? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #91

I can't possibly imagine what he envisioned but xulamaude Dec 2013 #96

Unless, of course, they happen to excel at a popular school sport. radicalliberal Dec 2013 #198

If you review the facts as we know them in this case, its clear it was a false accusation. nt aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #127

What facts are those? EOTE Dec 2013 #138

Sure not problem at all. aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #139

I'm not sure that this info in itself convinces me. EOTE Dec 2013 #140

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #143

You haven't answered any of the questions I had. Not a single one. EOTE Dec 2013 #145

Please see the latest post when the prosecutor comments on that. nt aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #148

Which latest post? EOTE Dec 2013 #150

Um... okay aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #152

That has nothing to do with this conversation. EOTE Dec 2013 #153

I think to a reasonable person aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #156

Wow, you're going way off the wall now. EOTE Dec 2013 #157

Please answer this. aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #158

What you are asking are non-sequitors. EOTE Dec 2013 #159

I guess we won't be getting an case facts from you. LOL! aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #162

You do nothing but distract from the ridiculous and sexist comments you made. EOTE Dec 2013 #164

Why does a woman having sex with someone mean she wasn't raped by someone else? EOTE Dec 2013 #166

Why do you think a woman who wasn't drugged can't be raped? EOTE Dec 2013 #167

Wow 3 posts! aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #170

You did lie. You said there was a photo of her rooting for the accused. EOTE Dec 2013 #171

I'm glad you agree with me regarding the outcome of the case. aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #174

You said the accuser falsely accused the accused. EOTE Dec 2013 #175

And you present yet another lie. EOTE Dec 2013 #176

You do know you're accusing this woman of a crime, right? EOTE Dec 2013 #173

I honestly think you need to read the full 86 page report and do some aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #177

Why do you think a woman who had sex with her boyfriend willingly can't be raped by someone else? EOTE Dec 2013 #178

Okay, this is my last try. aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #179

CNN Is another excellent source: Very fair and impartial. aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #147

You're just repeating the same old offensive, sexist tripe. EOTE Dec 2013 #149

"CNN is an excellent source" xulamaude Dec 2013 #160

Ha! aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #163

"CNN Is another excellent source: Very fair and impartial." radicalliberal Dec 2013 #200

you are familiar with the fbi statistics on false rape accusations, yes. but this is what you post? niyad Dec 2013 #3

Don't bother ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #8

LOL nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #9

Actually... Upton Dec 2013 #13

when it comes to rape some people think that Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #27

When it comes to rape, some people like to pretend false allegations are common BainsBane Dec 2013 #55

it counts Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #58

Do you think women should be intimidated into not pressing charges? That the minority of rape BainsBane Dec 2013 #60

I think they should be welcome to come forward Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #77

i know man. that lack of evidence. like videos put up on the net. or admitted to raping a child seabeyond Dec 2013 #82

thatbisnt the aveeage case Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #90

there is all kinds of NORM where women and girls being raped is dismissed by people, cops, seabeyond Dec 2013 #93

They aren't prosecuted because misogynysts assholes in charge of the judical BainsBane Dec 2013 #83

Go back and look at Steubenville. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #86

Sequere pecuniam, for one thing LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #101

Prove guilt? xulamaude Dec 2013 #61

that's not the reaction with high profile cases are dismissed Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #79

I can't understand your post. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #81

well clearly our lives do not count Tumbulu Dec 2013 #120

lives do count Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #137

Guilt and innocence is handed down by courts only. We merely have opinions. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #133

And nobody should NOT be imprisoned xulamaude Dec 2013 #65

To many, Human rights = Men's rights...period. whathehell Dec 2013 #126

Most rapists aren't imprisoned at all. alarimer Dec 2013 #203

Yep xulamaude Dec 2013 #10

Well, it's clear the FBI has been infiltrated by radical feminists. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #11

Note zero interest in facts BainsBane Dec 2013 #69

yes, and it gets more disgusting each and every time it happens. niyad Dec 2013 #71

Completely ignores the hundres of cases listed in the article BainsBane Dec 2013 #74

That FBI study is hotly disputed. This is why such numbers are not allowed to aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #128

hotly disputed by whom? those who don't want to look at facts, who want us to think that all niyad Dec 2013 #131

Indeed... Upton Dec 2013 #12

Got stats on the number of convictions of xulamaude Dec 2013 #14

Your point? Upton Dec 2013 #15

No, it does not justify it. xulamaude Dec 2013 #17

Criminal prosecution isn't a statistical exercise. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #21

A set of generalized cultural beliefs?? xulamaude Dec 2013 #34

she lied because she knew she was going to get 1.5 mil? how many other women have sued niyad Dec 2013 #78

The point to me gollygee Dec 2013 #18

Okay...whatever.. Upton Dec 2013 #20

This thread isn't about him gollygee Dec 2013 #22

Love threads like this where the Mens group come a running. trumad Dec 2013 #24

I'm dreeeaming of a white Christmas!!!! lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #39

I love when I can clear a jury blacklist spot.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #48

LOL! n/t whathehell Dec 2013 #168

"is one too many" xulamaude Dec 2013 #25

. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #42

Are those the only options? gollygee Dec 2013 #47

The ideal is to convict, sentence and punish every guilty person and zero innocents. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #49

Yes, it's a statement of innocent until proven guilty gollygee Dec 2013 #53

Ah, the old Pol Pot! How'd I miss this?! xulamaude Dec 2013 #112

"It is more important that the innocent be protected, than the guilty be punished" davidn3600 Dec 2013 #59

How does that contradict anything I've said gollygee Dec 2013 #122

Yes, it is the only option. We must set the burden of proof high enough that... JVS Dec 2013 #88

Which means that we should never convict anyone of anything gollygee Dec 2013 #121

ten INNOCENT raped girls to avoid 1 innocent man. really? nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #52

OK, I know better than to get involved in this stuff, but... Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #56

really? cause i was the first to suggest 10 INNOCENT girls should not be protected for 1 seabeyond Dec 2013 #66

You sound like you're okay with innocent men being imprisoned if it prevents rape. seabeyond Dec 2013 #68

All kinds of 'innocent' people xulamaude Dec 2013 #80

It's better that 10 guilty rapists go free? Way to go, man. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #54

Yeah, well, one rape is too many. historylovr Dec 2013 #110

"Dismissed" No. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #28

They should absolutely get a fair trial gollygee Dec 2013 #32

and the other several hundred unprosecuted cases in the article? BainsBane Dec 2013 #67

wow, did you even bother to read that list? you keep bringing up this banks person, without niyad Dec 2013 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #16

Well, you're consistent with your misogyny anyway. Matariki Dec 2013 #103

Oh honestly, this is preposterous Tumbulu Dec 2013 #119

I wonder whether the girls in the top pic would have the signs out if Jameis Winston.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #23

Shockingly, they almost certainly see rape as more important than football BainsBane Dec 2013 #26

I bet they don't ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #30

I went to the U of Texas BainsBane Dec 2013 #35

Then you should get it. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #37

I wouldn't go to the stadium regardless BainsBane Dec 2013 #43

Uh, ok ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #46

I hate to break it to you.. Upton Dec 2013 #31

evidently you and a couple of others here see this as all about the football fans BainsBane Dec 2013 #38

Actually, bullshit ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #45

because the "bigger issue" is football, not rape and rape culture BainsBane Dec 2013 #50

Nope, you still don't get it.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #64

You and your pals are intent on derailing the thread BainsBane Dec 2013 #76

What's amazing is that you can't use an iota of reading comprehension.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #85

It's not up to me to read your mind BainsBane Dec 2013 #109

"I have, however, grown weary of some of their shtick." ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #114

One has kindly offered to hear a petition to reinstate me BainsBane Dec 2013 #118

This thread went off the rails way before that snooper2 Dec 2013 #141

What do you think? The article talks about 40 years of sexual assault going unpunished BainsBane Dec 2013 #142

OMG! chervilant Dec 2013 #123

I would guess that since these females are attending college, they are adults, women, not "girls" niyad Dec 2013 #117

The banner they are holding says "No means No" once. It says "Go Gators!" twice. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #33

Oh, I'm sure they're very upset a Florida State player might be getting away with something. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #41

I would agree with you if they didn't have a "Go Gators" on that sign... ScreamingMeemie Dec 2013 #130

Yeah I think it would mean a lot more if those girls were FSU fans davidn3600 Dec 2013 #29

That's far more a condemnation of Steelers fans than anything. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #36

"Funny how that works." xulamaude Dec 2013 #40

Funny who wants to make this all about football fans in the photo BainsBane Dec 2013 #51

Football is sacred, don't you know? radicalliberal Dec 2013 #199

Tell you what. historylovr Dec 2013 #108

And maybe Jameis Winston knows that. nt ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #113

Unfortunately we'll never know for sure one way or the other, will we. historylovr Dec 2013 #115

Just add that one to the list of so-called "false allegations" BainsBane Dec 2013 #146

While you willfully ignore the hundreds of unprosecuted rapes discussed in the article BainsBane Dec 2013 #144

So you're saying he is guilty then? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #184

I wonder why you think chervilant Dec 2013 #124

I haven't followed the case and have no opinion on his guilt kiva Dec 2013 #44

DU- where we can make a battle out of ANYTHING! LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #62

Help me understand your post. chervilant Dec 2013 #125

It had nothing to do with the article n/t LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #169

Well, chervilant Dec 2013 #172

There is a proven case of false rape allegation in another thread, YET BainsBane Dec 2013 #92

goddess forfend that we should discuss issues of importance to women,issues like rape culture, niyad Dec 2013 #94

Some make it their mission to disrupt that as much as possible BainsBane Dec 2013 #95

rather pathetic, is it not? niyad Dec 2013 #105

Once the falsely convicted has been exonerated, the legitimacy of justice is already damaged. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #97

NOTHING would have happened in that stuebenville case if people didnt yell from seabeyond Dec 2013 #98

Yeah, and justice isn't "damaged" when communities sweep rape under the rug NuclearDem Dec 2013 #100

"the legitimacy of justice is already damaged" xulamaude Dec 2013 #102

+1 historylovr Dec 2013 #111

hyperbole much? mob justice? because this one person to whom you keep referring, completely niyad Dec 2013 #116

you might read this thread if you still wonder why we need to speak up, even when told nuthin' to se seabeyond Dec 2013 #197

That's a damn good question. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #99

My Friend Was Propositioned By Dan Marino AnnieBW Dec 2013 #104

but surely Ben Roethlisberger has dropped out of the "beloved" position... surely. seabeyond Dec 2013 #106

I follow sports closely. aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #129

I bet you do. Have you ever considered the possibility that the sports media might be biased? radicalliberal Dec 2013 #201

nice list, but a bit misleading. niyad Dec 2013 #206

More Like That He's Settle Down And Got Married AnnieBW Dec 2013 #192

i didnt know one "vindicated" themselves of raping another human being, simply by marrying. wow. k seabeyond Dec 2013 #193

Yeah, well, they don't AnnieBW Dec 2013 #194

ok. thanks. i was misreading your posts. thanks for the clarification. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #195

Jerry Sandusky is a different aspect of the football sexual assault problem. kwassa Dec 2013 #107

It should be standard procedure in situations like this for the FBI to take jurisdiction stevenleser Dec 2013 #132

thank you. a most excellent point. now to wait for the usual suspects. . . niyad Dec 2013 #134

I wonder what it would take to make that change. Also... stevenleser Dec 2013 #135

not sure what it would take, and not sure of the fbi's track record. but, as you said, somebody niyad Dec 2013 #136

I understand the suggestion, but am not a big fan of ever-expanding federal law enforcement. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #154

It wouldn't happen much after the first few. Police departments hate the Feds doing this... stevenleser Dec 2013 #155

This was handled fairly well Sgent Dec 2013 #161

What about the 40 years of rapes in which victims were pressured, shamed, and intimidated BainsBane Dec 2013 #182

Read the title of the article: 40 years of rape BainsBane Dec 2013 #151

"It's about a half century of rapes going unpunished. That is being widely ignored. Why?" redqueen Dec 2013 #165

yes, we do know exactly why, and the fact that we do know, and are not silent about it, is niyad Dec 2013 #181

Well, fortunately, more and more women are no longer willing to silently accept it. redqueen Dec 2013 #186

but we are not supposed to notice, or point it out for fear of hurting their feelings. how dare niyad Dec 2013 #180

Can anyone imagine a 40 yr pattern of crime against men going unpunished? BainsBane Dec 2013 #183

I know this is the season for miracles, but I would not hold my breath. niyad Dec 2013 #185

This article is suggesting that Winston is guilty and there was a cover-up davidn3600 Dec 2013 #187

You clearly didn't read it BainsBane Dec 2013 #188

Oh whatever... davidn3600 Dec 2013 #189

It's called rape culture BainsBane Dec 2013 #190

I scrutinize any accusation of anyone makes of any crime davidn3600 Dec 2013 #191

There's no national conspiracy, there's a cultural problem. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #196

Notice the pathetic attitude on the part of so many football fans toward the OP. radicalliberal Dec 2013 #202

ya. radical. i notice. decency. lack of decency. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #205

NIYAD... listening to baines op song Nina Simone, Four Women... sittin out on the porch. with red seabeyond Dec 2013 #204

just read some of the new additions to this OP-- and I need a glass as well. niyad Dec 2013 #207