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petronius

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32. There have been attempts, through means other than analysis of media
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 03:05 AM
Dec 2013

reports, to estimate the number of defensive ('good') gun uses that occur - these estimates vary pretty widely, and are plagued by the what-ifs (even in a real defensive use, there's no way of knowing what would have happened without the firearm being present). But it does seem clear that 'good' uses do occur, even if they're largely absent in the media.

For example, here's a source (see page 8) that reports 235,700 uses of firearms in defense against violent crime over 2007-2011, or ~47,000 per year. There's no way to know if the defensive attempt succeeded, or if it actually prevented death/injury that wouldn't have been prevented otherwise, but even the low estimates of defensive uses of firearms seem to be non-trivial.

If I had to guess, I'd say the the following:

  1. that the number of actual deaths prevented through the intervention of a firearm is smaller (perhaps by a lot) than the number of deaths (homicide, suicide, accident) that occur through the medium of a firearm;
  2. that the total number of 'bad' uses is greater than the total number of 'good' uses; and
  3. that the number of 'neutral' uses (not crime/accident, not defense) vastly outweighs the other uses put together...
My gun opened a jar of pickles for me just the other day Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #1
nope Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #2
I bet if a gun stopped a robbery, it would be a news story. Stinky The Clown Dec 2013 #3
Guns can't actually do anything by themselves Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #5
very true Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #9
nope Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #7
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/21/21063199-indiana-pastor-pulls-gun-on-man-stops-robbery Shandris Dec 2013 #11
how about feeding people Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #4
I did a couple weeks ago. Brickbat Dec 2013 #6
or this one Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #8
The last thing I would call that story is helpful. defacto7 Dec 2013 #10
+1 Agschmid Dec 2013 #12
Defending yourself as an atrocity? Wow! Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #13
You're right, he didn't. defacto7 Dec 2013 #20
So relying on the kindness of the armed man who broke into his house Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #34
Perhaps that's why stories about guns being helpful are seemingly rare petronius Dec 2013 #14
the OP knows that Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #16
That's a good response for a lot of subjects, defacto7 Dec 2013 #22
The "absence of a bad thing" that I was referring to was nobody petronius Dec 2013 #23
Thanks for the clarification. defacto7 Dec 2013 #25
There have been attempts, through means other than analysis of media petronius Dec 2013 #32
Happens hundreds or thousands of times a day. Not really news... Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #15
correct nt Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #17
One I always recall... sarisataka Dec 2013 #18
Some win the lottery... defacto7 Dec 2013 #24
Some do sarisataka Dec 2013 #33
Guns Get Workers To America josejimenez Dec 2013 #19
No? Ask Canadians and Brits about not speaking German right now. flvegan Dec 2013 #21
. laundry_queen Dec 2013 #29
Hey, Zimmerman summoned up courage to stalk and kill a "suspicious" unarmed kid. Hoyt Dec 2013 #26
Self defense stories are not allowed in GD, only one side is here The Straight Story Dec 2013 #27
Seems like a high price to coddle folks whose gunz are more important than our society. Hoyt Dec 2013 #28
1776 solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #30
Somebody with a CCW license saved a woman's life Warpy Dec 2013 #31
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