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20. Nothing has changed.

Wed Dec 25, 2013, 04:55 PM

Dec 2013

It's the same message, the same stuff as the last one. And the one before that.

People hear what they hear because of the media.

Did you think John McCain a "maverick", an "independent thinker" because that's what the media reported?

This pope does photo-ops, and yet he hasn't done a SINGLE substantive thing to change things in the real world. He is a charlatan and a fraud. He wants us to gloss over his hateful bigotry, but I and others refuse to do so.

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I'm Really Getting to Respect this Pope [View all] louis c Dec 2013 OP

That says it well shenmue Dec 2013 #1

when he addresses the status of women in this patriarchal organization, I will think slightly better niyad Dec 2013 #2

I agree. louis c Dec 2013 #3

Well, actually he has addressed the status of women in the church theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #17

not enough, not nearly enough. women are still non-citizens as far as the church--no autonomy, niyad Dec 2013 #25

imagine you are given the reins of a continent going forward on techtonic roguevalley Dec 2013 #34

spare me. he has talked about some things that are important--but he hasn't had time to mention niyad Dec 2013 #36

I want it too. I am old. But I know how organizations work. You and I q roguevalley Dec 2013 #37

I am old, too. I have been waiting for this HUGE organization to recognize women as actual, niyad Dec 2013 #39

I think it's entirely reasonable to talk timetables theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #40

So your argument is the RCC is too big to fail, too large to bother with justice or Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #59

I'm a woman and I'm not waiting for anything. Any Catholic woman, and there are sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #50

nice try at deflection. pointing out that he has said nothing about the church's views on women niyad Dec 2013 #68

It's the current mantra, niyad theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #70

one would think that what you said is perfectly obvious, but not, apparently, to some. one does niyad Dec 2013 #72

How can you say that? Church policy doesn't just affect its members. Rozlee Dec 2013 #74

Plate tectonics is an apt analogy. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #53

thank you, honey. I am old enough to remember how this roguevalley Dec 2013 #83

I think you misunderstood my position theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #35

my apologies, you are absolutely correct. I did not check it out the link as I should. niyad Dec 2013 #38

No problem. I understand the frustration. theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #41

"Former Nazi" YarnAddict Dec 2013 #4

We all have a choice louis c Dec 2013 #5

Because of his age at the time YarnAddict Dec 2013 #6

It certainly would have disqualified Byrd louis c Dec 2013 #10

Yes. We do have choices. a la izquierda Dec 2013 #54

There's a differnce between silence and support. louis c Dec 2013 #80

since you object to "former nazi", how about we call him what we all know him to be--a pedophile niyad Dec 2013 #7

That's actually much more accurate n/t YarnAddict Dec 2013 #8

True, he continued in his nazistic tendencies well into his adulthood MNBrewer Dec 2013 #11

I agree entirely with your post. spiderpig Dec 2013 #9

Louis C, from Catholic to Catholic, I once learned that... TRoN33 Dec 2013 #12

TRoN, you're right. philly_bob Dec 2013 #16

The last pope, the "ex nazi", preached the SAME stuff about the poor and peace and capitalism. NYC Liberal Dec 2013 #13

How many heard him do it? Tom Rinaldo Dec 2013 #14

Nothing has changed. NYC Liberal Dec 2013 #20

Yes, this is it precisely. trotsky Dec 2013 #67

The dumping of Cardinal Raymond Burke and the Bishop of Bling in Germany warmed my heart. pa28 Dec 2013 #15

Point Well Taken louis c Dec 2013 #18

And yet... NYC Liberal Dec 2013 #21

Indeed, Francis is backing up his words with action by cleaning up the rot. pa28 Dec 2013 #23

referring to the pedophile priests as "some fell short of their commitment" is NOT "cleaning up niyad Dec 2013 #42

So he talks about ONE thing people here agree with him about and suddenly he's Jesus. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #19

Is there anything between despising him and proclaiming him Jesus in your mind? nt el_bryanto Dec 2013 #22

We don't do "nuance" on this forum Kolesar Dec 2013 #55

How about some simple honesty? Francis is and has been for years a stridenly anti Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #60

OK how about this; I agree with Pope Francis when he talks about poverty and the causes of it el_bryanto Dec 2013 #61

People often claim Francis is 'pro gay, inclusive' and that's a lie. They are liars. Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #63

So to be very clear - you are calling me a liar, right? el_bryanto Dec 2013 #64

I did not call you a liar. If I wanted to, I would simply do so. I do not need you Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #65

Your bullying tactics really haven't succeeded in turning DU around on Pope Francis have they? el_bryanto Dec 2013 #66

This portion of this piece really nailed it for me: PeaceNikki Dec 2013 #73

I still love this Pope. 840high Dec 2013 #44

Good for you. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #47

He is off to a good start... tjwash Dec 2013 #24

Let me know when he actually does something (like elevating your wife to human status). Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #26

9 months louis c Dec 2013 #28

It's nice I guess that you admire someone but I think I'll save my admiration AuntPatsy Dec 2013 #32

How is it that I say "respect" and you hear "admire"? louis c Dec 2013 #33

The same way Francis says this about marriage equality: Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #58

In the meanwhile... theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #71

I see you got no responses from those fawning, sad but no surprise to those who are watching.. AuntPatsy Dec 2013 #84

I agree and am doing just that. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #45

He believes CHILD RAPISTS make better priests than women or gays. Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #27

I just noticed that you and I have the same, exact number of posts (until this one). louis c Dec 2013 #29

Not any more! HAHAHAHAH!!!! Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #30

Now we do louis c Dec 2013 #31

Saying the right things may matter some but. DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #43

I'm willing to give Francis more than 9 months before forming my final opinion louis c Dec 2013 #46

I - an outsider - never a Catholic JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #51

Francis shits daily on the teachings of Jesus. Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #62

But he sleeps in a smaller bedroom! NYC Liberal Dec 2013 #77

PR/damage control. The RCC does not change. blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #48

Me too. He's mighty refreshing after Benny the Rat, that's for sure!!! calimary Dec 2013 #49

Recommended 1000X and kicked too. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #52

Thanks (NT) louis c Dec 2013 #85

Do you respect the Long Silence of your Francis and his Church on Ugandan anti Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #56

Wow, a lot of Pope Francis bashing here, watoos Dec 2013 #57

I'll take what I can get - his economic comments TBF Dec 2013 #69

The pope is no progressive. Unless you consider anti-gay and anti-women to be "progressive". NYC Liberal Dec 2013 #75

And this is different from the former pope how? AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #78

So you left the church under Pope John Paul. Name one material issue in which this pope is different AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #76

I left the Church in 1968 louis c Dec 2013 #79

He's pretty revolutionary. moondust Dec 2013 #81

"show me (words, words, words) niyad Dec 2013 #82