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Lawrence O'Donnell: Edward Snowden's Christmas Message Was 'Wildly Overblown,' 'Provably Untrue' [View all]

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Lawrence O'Donnell: Edward Snowden's Christmas Message Was 'Wildly Overblown,' 'Provably Untrue' [View all] ProSense Dec 2013 OP

Winters in Russia are cold. Really, really cold. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #1

A short post below related to the video Tx4obama Dec 2013 #2

Ok so we've gone from Snowden is a Chinese/Russian spy SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #3

Not sure about anyone else, ProSense Dec 2013 #4

Thank you. SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #7

No ProSense Dec 2013 #9

So those dozens upon dozens of anti-Greenwald and anti-Snowden posts were all just saying SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #12

Huh? ProSense Dec 2013 #15

Yes you did. You just claimed that all along you have been saying that Snowden SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #16

LOL! ProSense Dec 2013 #18

Actually Bush said in a news conference in 2005 phone call records was being collected. Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #29

We have been told that "all nations do this surveillance thing." That's what they were JDPriestly Dec 2013 #41

Snowden is not known for intelligent decisions and therefore we do not know who will and has this Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #49

Who is NSA? I know that one of them lied to Congress. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #97

'Crazy'? Even Snowden won't tell us what he saw! randome Dec 2013 #131

The information you provide can be used by rogue employees such as Snowden who has Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #134

Trust the NSA?... Its "ONLY" the Meta-Data? bvar22 Dec 2013 #144

Ahem. He's talking about the previous president and veep. ucrdem Dec 2013 #145

And THAT makes a difference to you? bvar22 Dec 2013 #153

I think it makes a difference to Joe, yes. nt ucrdem Dec 2013 #156

I asked if it makes a difference to YOU. bvar22 Dec 2013 #166

Pushing Snowden is not centrism, it's rightism. ucrdem Dec 2013 #169

Supporting protections for Whistle Blowers, restrictions on Government Secrecy and Surveillance, bvar22 Dec 2013 #179

Calling Snowden a persecuted whistleblower is rightism, yes. ucrdem Dec 2013 #220

+10000 Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #224

And? Lifelong Dem Dec 2013 #34

Maybe being stuck in that hotel like that treestar Dec 2013 #13

That's just it, Tx.. somebody told Snowden that it was a good Cha Dec 2013 #79

These are the same people who said it was 'wildly overblown' PoliticalPothead Dec 2013 #162

Patriot PowerToThePeople Dec 2013 #5

"Patriot": ProSense Dec 2013 #6

lol treestar Dec 2013 #14

a REAL true American patriot BELOW Tx4obama Dec 2013 #17

Below what? truebrit71 Dec 2013 #20

This ProSense Dec 2013 #40

...i wasn't talking to you ProShill truebrit71 Dec 2013 #75

Attacking other's DUers is against the TOA davidpdx Dec 2013 #77

...and yet strangely enough I don't... truebrit71 Dec 2013 #139

Yes, it was an attack davidpdx Dec 2013 #214

I wasn't insinuating anything... truebrit71 Dec 2013 #222

Yes you were davidpdx Dec 2013 #223

No I wasn't... truebrit71 Dec 2013 #225

You are in denial and it isn't in Egypt davidpdx Dec 2013 #227

Nope. Wrong. truebrit71 Dec 2013 #228

Hey, you just survived a jury by 3-3...congrats. U4ikLefty Dec 2013 #78

That was wrong treestar Dec 2013 #93

No it wasn't... truebrit71 Dec 2013 #137

Yep... Fawke Em Dec 2013 #172

That's it, ProSense Dec 2013 #173

What I'm saying is that I'm tired of DUers Fawke Em Dec 2013 #180

Here's ProSense Dec 2013 #189

No. That's not what I'm basically saying. Fawke Em Dec 2013 #216

you clearly intended to insult. Sheepshank Dec 2013 #186

It was juvenile and petty. Bobbie Jo Dec 2013 #221

Your opinion is of pro sense and how you don't like her posts treestar Dec 2013 #140

Imagine that from a Greenwald Snowden fan. ProSense Dec 2013 #143

...and again you interject without knowing what you are talking about... truebrit71 Dec 2013 #146

"i am a fan of neither" ProSense Dec 2013 #148

Because it is another example of a "liberal" sellout... truebrit71 Dec 2013 #151

? If you're not a "fan" of Greenwald and Snowden, why ProSense Dec 2013 #155

I don't have to be a fan.. truebrit71 Dec 2013 #158

You're ProSense Dec 2013 #160

Yes it was. And s/he knows that as does that jury that let it slide. Attacks on Prosense often Number23 Dec 2013 #209

That's good to know... truebrit71 Dec 2013 #138

LOL! "sick of your boot-licking Obama Is God posts" ProSense Dec 2013 #142

Not sure if that's sad... truebrit71 Dec 2013 #147

Question ProSense Dec 2013 #149

Answer truebrit71 Dec 2013 #152

LOL! ProSense Dec 2013 #157

ROFLMMAO!!! truebrit71 Dec 2013 #159

LOL! ProSense Dec 2013 #163

What a childish post. Fawke Em Dec 2013 #182

Seems like ProSense Dec 2013 #188

Hmmm... Fawke Em Dec 2013 #217

And I am still looking forward to the promised Hope and Change he promise. RC Dec 2013 #58

"Hope" has worn pretty thin around here, bvar22 Dec 2013 #150

I tink you mean Comrad, not Patriot. n/t Whisp Dec 2013 #21

And I think you should learn to spell before correcting others, comrade. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #43

and I think you are a great spell checker Whisp Dec 2013 #52

I "tink" you are correct. nt U4ikLefty Dec 2013 #154

Should that be recaptioned "Russian Patriot" Progressive dog Dec 2013 #104

'he hates it too much to return' PoliticalPothead Dec 2013 #165

Snowden left the USA, it is still where it was Progressive dog Dec 2013 #219

"an unrecorded unanalyzed thought" Motown_Johnny Dec 2013 #8

+1 n/t FSogol Dec 2013 #10

Privacy, as a political concept, is not merely the idea that you keep your thoughts to yourself. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #28

If you are so worried about your privacy then you should be very concerned about the files Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #33

You are dreaminig he does Lifelong Dem Dec 2013 #54

Hahaha! Snowden hasn't the power to use the information he has against me. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #73

And that's the point in a nutshell. Fawke Em Dec 2013 #183

You seem to have a misconception... ljm2002 Dec 2013 #174

There has been a legal method for a very long time, read the Fourth amendment Again. Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #192

Nice try, no cigar... ljm2002 Dec 2013 #195

Ok, if you are looking for a cigar, what authorization did Snowden use to get clearance on copying Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #197

There is no question that Snowden broke the law... ljm2002 Dec 2013 #204

Snowden claims to have more information in files, I don't have proof if he does or does not have Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #207

You claimed... ljm2002 Dec 2013 #208

Snowden claimed he had proof, he must have phone call records or is he lying again. Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #210

No, Snowden did not get any warrants... ljm2002 Dec 2013 #212

Now we have some truth coming, we will see how the SC rules. Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #213

How is it private if you use the medium where the public can view all? Lifelong Dem Dec 2013 #36

You are talking about a whole different ball game. Just because a data base available on the Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #51

How does this relate to what Snowden said about analyzing ones thoughts? Lifelong Dem Dec 2013 #56

It is private if the government is restricted from compiling it all into a massive data base. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #72

So they can sell you shit! treestar Dec 2013 #94

I correspond with my healthcare providers online. That is nobody's business, not even the NSA's. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #99

The NSA is not doing that treestar Dec 2013 #108

Did you read this? JDPriestly Dec 2013 #116

legally, with court ordered terms? treestar Dec 2013 #123

We don't have to just go along with things that are now considered to be legal. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #126

Prediction of what scandal? treestar Dec 2013 #128

The conversation is about much more than phone call data... ljm2002 Dec 2013 #176

Really, you answered your own question... ljm2002 Dec 2013 #175

They are working on the technology. Not paranoia. Mojorabbit Dec 2013 #38

Actually, when you think about all the research being done on the brain these days, JDPriestly Dec 2013 #42

Careful, Lawrence, Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #11

Anyone who criticizes Greenwald and Snowden and defends Obama is deemed a shill davidpdx Dec 2013 #76

Yes, I saw that tonight.. we must be Cha Dec 2013 #82

If we are paid shills then dammit I'm getting ripped off davidpdx Dec 2013 #87

unemployment is no longer a problem treestar Dec 2013 #127

They have so convinced themselves of Snowden's fantasies treestar Dec 2013 #92

The reason I post my thoughts so freely is that I am way beyond the retirement age. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #103

That's not the NSA treestar Dec 2013 #107

It depends on what you do for a living I suppose. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #119

Obama agrees with the critics of this program (at least some of us). JDPriestly Dec 2013 #102

I agree with you on that davidpdx Dec 2013 #215

There are people who can take it. I couldn't either. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #218

Thanks for calling it what it is, Lawrence. Whisp Dec 2013 #19

Whatever Larry... truebrit71 Dec 2013 #22

If Snowden was a "patriot"... ifyousayso Dec 2013 #23

Yes. Because the U.S. is so super cool that it can violate the privacy rights of citizens Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #30

Keep the checks comin', MSNBC! Octafish Dec 2013 #24

Many know who ultimately writes his paycheck. nt Incitatus Dec 2013 #25

I think it affects his reporting. Octafish Dec 2013 #35

Of course Incitatus Dec 2013 #37

New Greenwald ProSense Dec 2013 #26

So I googled my name and... Turbineguy Dec 2013 #27

Doesn't that make you wonder why the NSA wants to collect that information? JDPriestly Dec 2013 #105

Why on earth anybody listens to that corporate concubine is a mystery. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #31

You forgot to add the rolling, laughing smiley. Fawke Em Dec 2013 #184

Paul Revere is a liar? Say it ain't so... SidDithers Dec 2013 #32

He saved our freedom! treestar Dec 2013 #125

Whose opinion of the scope and intrusiveness of the NSA programs am I supposed to JDPriestly Dec 2013 #39

If I was Snowden and wanted to sell my BS, I'd overblow this too Lifelong Dem Dec 2013 #47

+1!!! treestar Dec 2013 #95

Much worse than wishful thinking. He is the voice of the Democratic elite. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #65

LOL, TV propaganda is funny! Corruption Inc Dec 2013 #44

Speaking of ProSense Dec 2013 #45

Ever hear of the NSA? They're illegally and unconstitutionally spying on us, LOL Corruption Inc Dec 2013 #53

They're ProSense Dec 2013 #57

Q: How can you tell when authoritarian shills are on the ropes? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #46

Actually, ProSense Dec 2013 #48

Still waiting for your answer. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #50

Losing track? n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #55

You accuse Snowden of dishonesty without any examples. Let's talk about liars. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #59

LOL! ProSense Dec 2013 #60

Are you able to name any of these delusional comments? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #61

Here ProSense Dec 2013 #63

Are you contractually bound to reply to every post written to you? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #64

Ooh, now you're adding your version of "substance" to the thread ProSense Dec 2013 #66

test DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #67

...ing 1, 2, 3 ProSense Dec 2013 #68

Test 2 DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #69

Here's ProSense Dec 2013 #70

Bottom line is that Snowden has openly and publicly admitted that he committed crimes Tx4obama Dec 2013 #62

Clapper openly and publicily lied to congress solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #84

Imagine how he'll exaggerate every aspect of it treestar Dec 2013 #91

Listen to what LOD says on the video treestar Dec 2013 #90

Watch the video treestar Dec 2013 #89

I think that Snowden knows much more about what is going on at the NSA and what the future JDPriestly Dec 2013 #113

My understanding is that he couldn't hack high school. ucrdem Dec 2013 #115

That's like dissing Bill Gates because he dropped out of college. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #117

His story doesn't add up, you're 100% right on that score. nt ucrdem Dec 2013 #118

The things he says in the video are demonstrably untrue treestar Dec 2013 #121

+1 Marr Dec 2013 #136

Snowden should go back to work at NSA since he says he still works there Lifelong Dem Dec 2013 #71

He works there from Cha Dec 2013 #80

snowden sounds like a fucking idiot JI7 Dec 2013 #74

Yeah, and it's refreshing to have him called Cha Dec 2013 #81

Thanks, nice to hear some reasonable adults speaking on this for a change. sagat Dec 2013 #83

Does ANyone have a Link to Snowden's comments on Pussy Riot ? JI7 Dec 2013 #85

Oh my God. I watched that TWICE I loved it so Number23 Dec 2013 #86

yeah why weren't they so "concerned" in 2005 treestar Dec 2013 #88

But he's so dreamy! randome Dec 2013 #132

The guys Joy Reid mentioned treestar Dec 2013 #133

James Risen treestar Dec 2013 #135

And MSNBC is about as believable as Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #96

Look at the division on this thread... solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #101

Meh, there's nothing new about that LordGlenconner Dec 2013 #170

You did not watch the video treestar Dec 2013 #109

Sorry, Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #112

And didn't watch the video treestar Dec 2013 #120

I was referring to your post Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #122

Yeah I can't make it through Puglover Dec 2013 #130

Every time they say that, Snowden's claims are provent to be true. Scuba Dec 2013 #98

Watch the video treestar Dec 2013 #110

LOL, you are really just looking silly at this point, entertaining though! nt Logical Dec 2013 #100

Another ProSense Dec 2013 #106

"A child born today"?? Eddie, you big dope, you forgot it's Christmas. ucrdem Dec 2013 #111

Claim that world is round is provably untrue. GoneFishin Dec 2013 #114

Kick nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #124

Thank you Lawrence for a common sense perspective on this issue. DCBob Dec 2013 #129

The discourse goes from a 1 to a ten nilesobek Dec 2013 #141

I'm not surprised O'Donnell would say something like that on MSNBC. bvar22 Dec 2013 #161

Here's what Greenwald said ProSense Dec 2013 #164

I don't have a problem with someone being RICH. bvar22 Dec 2013 #167

Neither ProSense Dec 2013 #168

Didn't bother to wade through your Gish Gallop NonSense. bvar22 Dec 2013 #181

Ah, name calling. ProSense Dec 2013 #190

Obama is President. He is a Democrat Snowden leaked the document while Obama was in office Penicilino Dec 2013 #171

True. Fawke Em Dec 2013 #185

O'Donnell gave himself away... ljm2002 Dec 2013 #177

"The work he has done is vitally important..." O'Donnell Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #178

So maybe ProSense Dec 2013 #187

No. But, those portraying Snowden as a Traitor, Narcissist, spy, etc are even more hyperbolic. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #191

Those ProSense Dec 2013 #193

Sadly so. Thery also existed when Ellsberg made his revelations. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #194

Different case, and ProSense Dec 2013 #196

He'd be a damned fool if he did. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #198

See, different path. n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #199

See whisltle blower and Daniel Ellberg's opinions of Snowdens actions. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #200

It's still a different path. Snowden is unwilling to face the consequences. n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #201

So is the NSA and the president. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #202

That doesn't make sense. n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #203

Of course not. The NSA and president are unlikely to be threatened with trials. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #205

If he ProSense Dec 2013 #206

Lawrence O'Donnell & Mitt Romney: Separated At Birth smb Dec 2013 #226

Does anyone BobUp Dec 2013 #211