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In reply to the discussion: Do you think that feminists [View all]LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)347. I think we'll start at the bottom and go up:
Will I see you joining in support with the issues we agree on, which are the core values of feminism?
Had you been looking, you'd have seen it already. Let's open up the My Posts tab. Look, here's me getting outraged at a sexist phrase!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024160236#post33
Here's me having a polite (both ways) conversation with two HoFers on an important issue!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024181014#post6
Here's me disagreeing with a man, in a women's issue thread, about the "all men" thing!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024193962#post73
Here's me in a discussion on birth control:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024186374#post7
Here's me on the student suspended for "hugging" the teacher:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024191946#post6
Oh my, I do that! I just don't validate flamebait vanity posts anymore. There is a difference, and it's not that difficult to spot. What you're asking me to do, I already do. If what you're trying to say is "please start supporting people who have only posted on this important issue because they just got spanked on another subject yesterday and today they want to play better-than-you on social issues with the people they lost the debate to" or any of the similar reasons so many of these threads get posted, then the answer is no. I don't like feeding egos.
I was in two very recent threads about it on DU where there were a few men who were being quite transphobic and got banned. I was posting in those threads against that as were many feminists. If I see it, I call it out. Maybe you were off DU that day.
Possible; my grandson was born Xmas week and I wasn't here much. I also trashed quite a few threads on sight the last couple weeks.
But it wasn't in feminist threads where you see this or in HoF.
Partially true. No, please don't insult both of us by pretending you didn't know who it was and what her views were. I am pathetically bad at spotting posting patterns in returning zombies, and even I knew to within 2 who her previous incarnation was by the time she left.
I will agree, although I am not to sure why you insist on continually bringing it transphobia up to me
Yes, you are, but since you seem to want it spelled out for everyone to see I'll do so. I posted two blocks of transphobic sicko in the post above. One was written offsite by iverglas after the banning of the iverglas account. The other was written offsite by a person who is still a member in good standing at DU, and at HoF. There were two more people at that offsite board as well, both of whom are still members here, and at HoF. All are going to remain unnamed as I'm sure at least two are hovering over the alert button.
I don't tell grown men and women who to pick as friends. You're all welcome to hang around with and support them if you choose to do so. I am likewise free to not think that's OK and that such people are a hindrance rather than a help, and not want to associate with the crowd.
Many of those issues are discussed over and over again here on DU and many feminists find such opinions to be quite offensive, yet they are the ones who are told have a problem with their tone, which is just quite sexist itself or HoF is trolling, or those feminists suck, those feminists are damaged.
I've found over the years that when I've posted rationally and in good faith on most other issues, most people respond in kind, even when I've said something completely dumb or rambled while drunk. I've also found that when I go into threads on most other issues and behave like a complete asshole, the same thing happens- most people respond in kind. I am smart enough to recognize who is at fault there, and it's not people who just don't like feminists.
"Tone" tends to be a polite euphemism. No one likes to get a post hid.
There are people on the internet as well as DU who etc.
There are also people on the internet as well as DU who will see such arguments where they don't actually exist and start a massive flame war insisting that those attitudes are where they really are not, which doesn't help when they really do turn up, because by then everyone's stopped responding to people crying wolf. This is euphemistically known as "tone".
Those "people on the internet and at DU who...etc" also rarely try to hide behind me when they have been "using tone" and are catching fallout for it, by lumping themselves under the same label as me and trying to pretend it's all about us. You know all those other feminists who keep showing up in these threads to tell you that it's not about feminism, and that you really need to stop making it about all feminists? Yeah. That's what we've been trying to say. It's not about feminism and it's annoying to the rest of us. If people want to "tone". they're on their own.
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But what about those - *not* you personally - who play into right-wing framing RE: gender issues
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#192
I think there's alot of debate here amongst feminists as to what a "true" feminist is.
Kaleva
Jan 2014
#8
Then you are a feminist who believes in many of the same things most feminists do.
boston bean
Jan 2014
#30
I'm guessing, it's something (something pleasant) other than the fight that is certain to ensue.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2014
#10
He saw a word starting with femin(ine) and immediately relates by cooking ...
Tuesday Afternoon
Jan 2014
#35
actually, I think the older white male is feeling threatened. Fear of The Unknown.
Tuesday Afternoon
Jan 2014
#73
I'm guessing but on Daily Kos eg, when people didn't like a Diary, they disrupted the thread by
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#309
what's amazing is how childish it is...you'd think the perpetrators would have a clue
CTyankee
Jan 2014
#313
I could use an indoor rotisserie oven to brown 'em evenly instead of the griddle.
In_The_Wind
Jan 2014
#68
well honeypie! aren't you just the cutest little ole thing. Now then howsbout rustling us all up
Tuesday Afternoon
Jan 2014
#97
No...what you are doing is using your status as a female to advocate violence towards
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#107
Yeah, me too. It really puts to rest the claim they believe that women don't deserve violence and
polly7
Jan 2014
#230
And this is exactly the crap I cant stand...double standard much? Sense of FEMALE entitlement
Drew Richards
Jan 2014
#250
One of the footsoldiers in the DU Gender Wars used to link to this site in their sig line
Major Nikon
Jan 2014
#276
I probably should have just seconded your post rather than putting up my own response. n/t
TroglodyteScholar
Jan 2014
#81
IMO disagreement on a discussion board is fine, so long as it's not of the disingenuous variety.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#197
Here is my response from someone that hardly ever posts but reads the boards daily
Drew Richards
Jan 2014
#31
That's valid, but it's only one side of the problem. Because along with possibly overzealous
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#199
And that is a valid point as well, nothing is one side and there are people from both sides that
Drew Richards
Jan 2014
#206
I try to ignore personal beefs as much as possible, and focus on the real issues.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#208
No they are not monolithic, they disagree on how to achieve goals, but not usually the issues.
boston bean
Jan 2014
#34
Can't we also discuss cultural attitudes which complicate the drive for legal and social equality?
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#200
Of course there are separatist feminists, but many of their issues are still feminist issues.
boston bean
Jan 2014
#36
And Yet that DUer seems to be getting passes on alerts no matter what she says.
Drew Richards
Jan 2014
#272
Twisty Faster might be an illustrative (if aberrant) example. But given she basically presents
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#204
Wow, that's a pretty broad range of attitudes that you think are attributes of man haters.
Gormy Cuss
Jan 2014
#258
"Bad relationship" seems an awfully mild choice of words for what we're talking about. Just saying.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#209
And that right there is what's really important. People's delicate feelings be damned.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#211
So here is one of those threads. Now, all, note the posts in which someone is throwing barbs.
Squinch
Jan 2014
#53
and men marking their territory letting one and all know this is to be a male space
boston bean
Jan 2014
#59
and Squinch please note the women that are feeding into the male ego.
Tuesday Afternoon
Jan 2014
#76
Yep - throwing barbs, derailing, ridiculing,and even inserting their own little penis jokes as well.
Sheldon Cooper
Jan 2014
#82
So the reason for firing this particular arrow was to criticize those who fire back? n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#152
True that is said all the time and they are dog whistles, that will get every feminist I know
boston bean
Jan 2014
#60
Do you honestly believe that throughout his life, he's faced no extra hurdles,
redqueen
Jan 2014
#95
Could you stop feeling sorry for yourself long enough to see the big picture?
redqueen
Jan 2014
#119
He does have a point in that people sometimes neglect social class as a significant factor.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#216
Well, that point was admittedly kind of swallowed up by all the other bullshit.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#265
I've alwas looked askance at those shouting down others with cries of "You're privileged!"
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2014
#125
Someone's individual life experience does not make privilege or negate privilege.
boston bean
Jan 2014
#155
How many rich Black people are there? Does that mean people of color aren't oppressed
redqueen
Jan 2014
#93
"Do you believe that the functioning of the 'justice' system bears out your apparent belief that
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#219
Social class is a very important distinction as well. Some people seem to forget that.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#213
All valid points. But it's important to realize that they all apply to both "sides" here.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#225
How many women claim it's sexist (racist too) when commercials portray white males as idiots?
badtoworse
Jan 2014
#92
If you think it's flame bait, as you say, by definition you have fallen for the bait.
Squinch
Jan 2014
#137
Saying that PoC are not oppressed because of the color of their skin is a right wing talking point.
redqueen
Jan 2014
#169
LOL, you seriously interpreted a sarcastic "hint" as me "tell(ing) you how to answer"?
redqueen
Jan 2014
#305
I can tell you don't give a shit cause you can't even follow the conversation.
redqueen
Jan 2014
#312
How can you say "almost everyone else answered as if..." when snooper2 hijacks this thread with a
seaglass
Jan 2014
#235
Why would I accuse rq of disrupting a discussion that "just about everyone" was having when
seaglass
Jan 2014
#252
RainDog - I'm not ignoring you - have had a rough day today having to tell my brothers
seaglass
Jan 2014
#331
How dare you tell an Australian or Canadian woman how it feels to have to bring the booze!
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2014
#278
I do admit that we haven't had to face recently the horrible things your GOP is trying to do there
polly7
Jan 2014
#289
Interesting. This is the kind of post that makes some DUers suspect a motive of flamebait,
Nye Bevan
Jan 2014
#178
What is there in your post which we could have a thiughtful discussuon about?
redqueen
Jan 2014
#185
No matter how nice you tell someone that you find what they have SAID to be sexist
boston bean
Jan 2014
#179
(I don't know the movie and am taking your word for it) ... As a feminist ...
etherealtruth
Jan 2014
#180
I'd love to know the problem as well since I've never heard of anyone raising that issue...
zappaman
Jan 2014
#260