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296. I have struggled with ALL of those things as a white woman.

Wed Jan 8, 2014, 11:53 PM

Jan 2014

And recently too. But you don't speak for me. I understand that as suck as things have been in my life, the added obstacle of trying to do my life as not white would be even more of a struggle.

Posts like yours make DU suck.

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Is it productive to repeatedly remind white people of how privileged they are? [View all] Nye Bevan Jan 2014 OP

why are White people being persecuted? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #1

As long as white privilege is denied, attention must be called to it. morningfog Jan 2014 #2

Me personally, no. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #3

How is white privilege is akin to "black crime?" morningfog Jan 2014 #4

Edited to clarify. Sorry I confused you (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #6

You didn't confuse me. morningfog Jan 2014 #17

yeah, I am all too familiar with this bullshit too. what an incredible leap to make. revolting... bettyellen Jan 2014 #27

although not surprising CreekDog Jan 2014 #267

So this is OK for President Obama to say, but not Joe Biden? Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #29

"Are there some things we can do to foster better understanding?" Yes, like discussing morningfog Jan 2014 #32

I do note that President Obama's approach was not to lecture whites about their "privilege" (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #34

So now privilege goes in quotes? At least we are getting somewhere. morningfog Jan 2014 #36

he is certainly hinting at it, in a pretty gutless manner. guess he follows that "x isn't allowed bettyellen Jan 2014 #89

President Obama can never talk about white privilege. phleshdef Jan 2014 #43

Never been a fan of "only people of race X are allowed to talk about subject Y" (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #46

Cultural/social reality doesn't require you to be a fan. phleshdef Jan 2014 #51

Not surprised there. morningfog Jan 2014 #79

he does and tells us we should honor Margaret Thatcher CreekDog Jan 2014 #245

Here's the post where I supposedly defended Chris Christie's lane closures: Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #248

quit playing games, i never said you defended them, aren't you sneaky... CreekDog Jan 2014 #249

Seriously? I make an analogy to Watergate and I am "minimizing them as no big deal"? Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #250

not giving the person who concern trolls racial issues here the benefit of the doubt: CreekDog Jan 2014 #253

here's more bullshit from you: "Why are blacks overrepresented as NBA coaches?" CreekDog Jan 2014 #251

I understand why you want to change the subject from your ignorance of Watergate, Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #252

i understand why you don't want attention in your thread about racism to your "reverse racism" posts CreekDog Jan 2014 #254

OK, your choice. Have a great day (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #255

i am CreekDog Jan 2014 #256

He does. He suggested Obama was elected because he was black CreekDog Jan 2014 #269

WOW. FUCKING DISGRACEFUL. bettyellen Jan 2014 #276

Yep, and don't forget women: CreekDog Jan 2014 #281

YOU MEAN THE ALL-CAPS SILLINESS? Skip Intro Jan 2014 #284

yes, we are interested more interested in the opinion of a fellow progressive CreekDog Jan 2014 #290

Like I've said. He's not fooling anyone. Except maybe the admins. morningfog Jan 2014 #294

Surely NONE of this is a surprise to you, is it? Not from that person? Number23 Jan 2014 #300

Not really surprising CreekDog Jan 2014 #302

are you talking about what we in the United States should talk about? CreekDog Jan 2014 #244

I believe that my statement in the post you replied to has general applicability, Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #247

Again, you're playing games, trying to make it sound like I said you, a white person, couldn't talk CreekDog Jan 2014 #268

you think that fosters better understanding? hfojvt Jan 2014 #163

"Black crime"? Heidi Jan 2014 #16

Sounds like someone wanting to (yet again!) remind white people how privileged they are. morningfog Jan 2014 #18

Guilty! Heidi Jan 2014 #28

I was thinking more in terms of how President Obama expressed it. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #23

Agree, and I think discussing white privilege is one of the things we can do to Heidi Jan 2014 #30

So, those OPs do bother you enough to post this poll. Never mind your 'interesting' idwiyo Jan 2014 #45

Not so much that they "bother" me, but they invariably seem to descend into bickering Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #48

the comparison to black crime makes it sound like something Sarah Palin would say…. or rather bettyellen Jan 2014 #128

The point is to encourage people to pay attention to racism BainsBane Jan 2014 #63

Good stuff here brush Jan 2014 #87

This was good. I want to link people to this reply cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #148

+1000 PoliticalPothead Jan 2014 #152

I would call that dualistic thinking hfojvt Jan 2014 #160

racism is about whites BainsBane Jan 2014 #183

Racism is About Whites??? RobinA Jan 2014 #197

Racism is racial prejudice BainsBane Jan 2014 #199

Well, We Will Have To RobinA Jan 2014 #219

Racism affects how people of color see themselves BainsBane Jan 2014 #235

Your brilliance leaves me speechless! Thank you so much! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #258

Amen! FrodosPet Jan 2014 #200

The "white progressive versions of people of color" can be just as bad, if not worse, Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #257

I'm glad to see that someone else sees the same thing as I do on this FrodosPet Jan 2014 #262

Are you married?? *smile* Thank you so very much for this! We need more to speak out! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #264

it is not all whites who perpetrate it hfojvt Jan 2014 #210

Intersectionality BainsBane Jan 2014 #211

except I never said that racism and sexism don't exist hfojvt Jan 2014 #214

Again, about as useful as posting "(insert something negative here) is about blacks". Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #216

Once again, you are one of the most insightful posters on DU! nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #172

Thank you. BainsBane Jan 2014 #173

Black people DO NOT commit more crimes than whites. Your racism is showing right there!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #138

. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #143

Don't post any Wikipedia shit! Post crime statistics! FBI stats! Not wikipedia. Most crimes ARE NOT Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #145

. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #147

You posted violent crimes. Most violent crimes committed by blacks are directed at other blacks. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #150

I was solely focusing on the race of the perpetrators, not the victims. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #155

What does that have to do with the conversation about eradicating racism in this society???? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #162

In which post did I "attack a person"? Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #165

you use every opportunity to downplay an instance of racism or racial inequality CreekDog Jan 2014 #270

you are completely right, now the OP is trying to bait you into getting a hidden post- this is bettyellen Jan 2014 #168

"This entire thread is incredibly offensive." As is 99% of the shit that comes from the OP Number23 Jan 2014 #196

No kidding. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #246

The only "useful strategy" for combating racism is to openly acknowledge its existence, period. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #174

So we recognize the obvious. FrodosPet Jan 2014 #201

Nope, but like AA the first step is admitting we have a problem. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #207

You are kicking ass on this thread! I salute you. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #175

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #229

Nye doesn't want to talk about "white privilege" he wants to talk about "black privilege", look: CreekDog Jan 2014 #259

This message was self-deleted by its author Lifelong One Jan 2014 #47

Reminded by whom? Jenoch Jan 2014 #5

most white people don't spend their time on random internet forums snooper2 Jan 2014 #7

1500 active DUers? (=0.0005% * 300,000,000) Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #9

two years ago Skinner responded to me advising snooper2 Jan 2014 #11

It's usually a good idea to, yes (nt) Recursion Jan 2014 #8

No. Not all Caucasian people are privileged. Racism is learned. democratisphere Jan 2014 #10

We all live in a racist society. We all have to examine ourselves for internalized racism. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #12

Language is important here, it is not productive to remind them "how privileged" they are Hippo_Tron Jan 2014 #13

I think that's the problem. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #14

Who are you speaking for? morningfog Jan 2014 #19

Be that as it may, this is a liberal community... Hippo_Tron Jan 2014 #20

Fucking BS. Privilege is walking down the street in NYC DevonRex Jan 2014 #38

I think most of us here agree that "stop and frisk" and voting rights are important issues. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #44

FUCK THIS BULLSHIT. Whites NOT BEING STOPPED AND FRISKED DevonRex Jan 2014 #49

I thought "racist and morally wrong" summed it up pretty accurately. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #55

It is racist and it is morally wrong, and it is another example of white privilege. morningfog Jan 2014 #78

I'm tired of this essentialist bullshit: Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #149

Wrong, grumpy. I'm a white man and I know morningfog Jan 2014 #169

Nice! I applaud you! We need more white people--especially white men like you and Tim Wise--to tell Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #233

I don't have to surrender any privledge right? FrodosPet Jan 2014 #203

Impressive. Laelth Jan 2014 #81

When white people deny or dismiss or down play racism they need to be smacked with morningfog Jan 2014 #77

I haven't seen where anyone on here(this thread) has.... CANDO Jan 2014 #113

The poster has a long history on DU. morningfog Jan 2014 #115

Are You Under RobinA Jan 2014 #198

I fail to see the problem BainsBane Jan 2014 #202

Then they don't understand that just by mere virtue of being born with white skin.... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #65

I have struggled with ALL of those things as a white woman. Starry Messenger Jan 2014 #296

I'm not claiming that every white DUer objects to being lectured to about their privilege. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #298

And inevitably it is white DUers who feel "lectured to" who object. Starry Messenger Jan 2014 #299

Ah, the old "DU is overrun by trolls/moles/Republicans" theory. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #305

In theory a large enough dose of option 2 should eliminate the need for option 1 LadyHawkAZ Jan 2014 #15

Well, you know how arrogant those whites are. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #21

Therefore, white privilege does not exist Iggo Jan 2014 #158

Have you been profiled or harassed by cops because of your skin color? nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #176

I see you've taken a break from carving your likeness into Stone Mountain CreekDog Jan 2014 #272

You're the one who called Trayvon Martin a raicst. n/t Skip Intro Jan 2014 #277

how's the IRS scandal you were fluffing? CreekDog Jan 2014 #278

Deflection won't change what you said. n/t Skip Intro Jan 2014 #279

it won't. your views on racism against blacks, Benghazi and IRS are well known here CreekDog Jan 2014 #280

Again, YOU called Trayvon a racist, not me. n/t Skip Intro Jan 2014 #282

No but keep trying. Everyone knows the players here, they know what I would and wouldn't say CreekDog Jan 2014 #285

You called Trayvon a racist, CreekDog. Own it. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #286

He has also used the phrase "illegal immigrant children thieves". Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #287

no i haven't. not even in your link. CreekDog Jan 2014 #289

actually, you did Skip Intro, you did CreekDog Jan 2014 #288

Sad to see you implode like this, CreekDog. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #291

you must have mixed me up with someone who thinks like you CreekDog Jan 2014 #292

oh and Ron Paul! CreekDog Jan 2014 #293

I don't think repeatedly throwing the idea of privilege in people's faces accomplishes much stevenleser Jan 2014 #22

I would have to agree tkmorris Jan 2014 #33

+1. Here's what the guy who coined the term wrote: El_Johns Jan 2014 #67

Okay Steven, did you read David Brooks' ridiculous marijuana article yesterday? Hippo_Tron Jan 2014 #61

Yes, I read it and I agree, but let's make a distinction on two fronts... stevenleser Jan 2014 #64

Sorry, not playing the race game. CFLDem Jan 2014 #24

+100. n/t Skip Intro Jan 2014 #25

I usually trash those threads about the topic immediately quinnox Jan 2014 #26

^^^ And there you have it. ^^^ Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #69

Shame: DU makes an industry of it. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #72

"Hectoring tone" is right. And that is being kind. (other words like self-righteous come to mind) quinnox Jan 2014 #88

Watch your language! "Hectoring" is some sort of sexist put down. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #98

Whoa. "Hectoring" is now unacceptable? Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #217

like the tone of your screen name honoring a gun, rather than Eleanor Roosevelt CreekDog Jan 2014 #273

Ba-da-BOOM! Tshhh... Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #295

Me too. NaturalHigh Jan 2014 #159

Bingo... SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #161

"...make white people feel guilty for being white." And we have *liberals* saying things like this? nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #177

Fuck! That's something that fucking Newt Gingrich would say!! When conservatives call liberals Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #263

And notice the high fives that followed. And from the most predictable of places too. Number23 Jan 2014 #301

+100. n/t Skip Intro Jan 2014 #283

It's not obvious. Frankly, I had little idea... Deep13 Jan 2014 #31

The way you worded the poll suggests the question of whether white privilege exists is up for debate morningfog Jan 2014 #35

I guess it depends on the white person Nevernose Jan 2014 #37

That is it. There are some who need to be reminded, or initially educated. morningfog Jan 2014 #41

Good thing you're around to police the board. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #54

I never said this was board specific or even board including. morningfog Jan 2014 #75

Looks to me like we aren't doing it enough. DevonRex Jan 2014 #39

When its necessary to make a point about certain issues, then yes. phleshdef Jan 2014 #40

White privilege getting the same treatment as male privilege. boston bean Jan 2014 #42

A perfect illustration of the us versus "them" mindset that I don't think is especially productive. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #52

Bullshit. morningfog Jan 2014 #80

I have no problem with "us" versus "them" if by "them" you mean MRA's, racism-deniers, and other nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #178

Would that be the 64% minority of DUers who voted "no"? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #179

If 64% of DU'ers deny the existence of systemic racism then I am out of here yesterday! nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #182

Excellent. So you and I are *both* happy with the results of the poll. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #184

you don't believe there's male privilege either CreekDog Jan 2014 #274

The wording of this poll is so clearly unbiased. 6000eliot Jan 2014 #50

DUers should study H2O Man Jan 2014 #53

+1 nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #180

Thank you! H2O Man Jan 2014 #192

White privilege is no lie. DemLife Jan 2014 #56

We all have varying levels of overall "privilege" due to our individual characteristics. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #185

I'm sorry, and I'm usually more polite than this, but this poll sucks. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #57

You too, and thanks for posting (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #58

You're too polite DemLife Jan 2014 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #60

if that's the goal, then this thread was in service of it CreekDog Jan 2014 #275

To be truthful, although there are *usually* good intentions in mind..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #62

Good, thoughtful reply. I esp. Liked your emphasis on class. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #74

The overemphasis on class is typically an attempt to dismiss the importance of race. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #144

That can work the other way. The important thing without a doubt Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #171

I 'passed' ... LeftishBrit Jan 2014 #66

Yes, so long as there are white people on a Democratic website DLevine Jan 2014 #68

+1 seaglass Jan 2014 #73

There are racist posters on DU, so I agree that it is necessary. morningfog Jan 2014 #76

Is it productive to continually post bull-carp polls? intaglio Jan 2014 #70

Been hearing of "white privilege" for over 40 yrs. Must work! Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #71

work for who? CreekDog Jan 2014 #260

was it good for you? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #261

it's not fair to ask you to post your opinion since it would get you banned CreekDog Jan 2014 #265

Jeez, I got that kind of power? I can ban myself? Man! Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #297

i'm remembering how you said you were more liberal than me CreekDog Jan 2014 #303

Remember as you wish. Meanwhile, I'm busy with Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #306

Good question. k&r n/t Laelth Jan 2014 #82

This reminded me of madville Jan 2014 #83

Is this the new war on Christmas? sufrommich Jan 2014 #84

I know that it's considered acceptable now Orrex Jan 2014 #85

I don't think the poll offers sufficient answers. Shandris Jan 2014 #86

bookmarked for next time people claim there's no denial of privilege at DU. bettyellen Jan 2014 #90

Sorry, I just looked through the thread for a post that denies that white privilege exists, Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #92

you missed people whining about their sorry white lives? or calling it "privilege" ? bettyellen Jan 2014 #93

Ah, so when a white person says that they are poor, they are "denying" that white privilege exists, Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #95

it's obvious from the pushback and lack of recs that everyone knows what you were saying when bettyellen Jan 2014 #103

Do you agree with the two thirds of DUers who voted "No" in the poll? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #109

This is a bullshit push poll, absolutely meaningless. morningfog Jan 2014 #111

I agree with the people who called you out on your use of scare quotes around privilege... bettyellen Jan 2014 #127

"Lack of recs"? 8 recs is actually more than respectable for a DU poll (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #181

There is plenty as there is plenty of focus on various forms to avoid the biggest one, class. TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #107

it's a waste of time discussing random personal anecdotes whether it is Chris Rock or a single DUer bettyellen Jan 2014 #191

What the hell are you going on about Beyoncé for? I thought the quote was germane to what I wanted TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #218

Remind them often; they will tend to forget treestar Jan 2014 #91

Poorly worded poll gollygee Jan 2014 #94

It is possible to do things like campaign against the disgraceful racial bias in the death penalty Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #96

So long as people are dismissive about privilege gollygee Jan 2014 #97

I prefer "do you agree that there is a racial bias in how the death penalty is applied?" Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #99

Again, it was a poorly worded poll gollygee Jan 2014 #100

We may not be the *perfect* group to discuss racism, Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #101

Yes we're better than the KKK too gollygee Jan 2014 #102

So, do you agree that white people are privileged? morningfog Jan 2014 #105

Again, a perfect illustration of my point. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #108

Your refusal or denial is very much a part of the problem. morningfog Jan 2014 #110

So, I refer to "the disgraceful racial bias in the death penalty", Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #117

The disgraceful racial bias is easy to acknowledge. It is blatant. morningfog Jan 2014 #121

Like anything, it's possible to discuss issues without being militant about it. ProgressSaves Jan 2014 #104

"I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Zorra Jan 2014 #106

The concept is valid, but misunderstanding and misuse of the word is rife WatermelonRat Jan 2014 #112

Come, come, don't overlook the entertainment value. bemildred Jan 2014 #114

The same could be said of a number of other broadbrush... 99Forever Jan 2014 #116

It's a mix - there are some here who deny white privilege el_bryanto Jan 2014 #118

No. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #119

I think discussion is good. if you don't want to hear it you can trash the thread or don't read it. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #120

The white population is declining SharpshooterTom Jan 2014 #122

convert a meritocracy buff to a meritocracy critic instead Men Without Waves Jan 2014 #123

I think it is important to remind people . . . markpkessinger Jan 2014 #124

White priveledge effects different people at different levels Shoulders of Giants Jan 2014 #125

There is absolutely class privilege too gollygee Jan 2014 #129

I'm sure you meant 'white males', right? nt left coaster Jan 2014 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author gollygee Jan 2014 #134

There are more white families living below the poverty level leftyladyfrommo Jan 2014 #130

Smaller percentage though gollygee Jan 2014 #131

Let's face it. We have too many people of all persuasions leftyladyfrommo Jan 2014 #132

Yes gollygee Jan 2014 #133

There are a lot of low income white families in urban areas. Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #154

As long as state justices like Edith Jones tells us, "African Americans and Hispanics are predispose LanternWaste Jan 2014 #135

the OP dog whistled the same sentiment be introducing the concept of "black crime"…..*jaw dropped* bettyellen Jan 2014 #137

I'm inclined to believe you... LanternWaste Jan 2014 #142

"Palinesque"? Or "Obamaesque"? Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #146

a knee jerk leap from white privilege to black crime is NOT Obamaesque, or merely lazy…. bettyellen Jan 2014 #166

Well, on the positive side, out of 3000+ pageviews and 112 DUers voting in the poll, Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #167

Cheerleaders in high school get many views and are quite popular too, regardless of any irrelevance LanternWaste Jan 2014 #189

I think those who are privileged know it already. mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #136

How about "part of white privilege is the ability to ignore white privilege, so just STFU geek tragedy Jan 2014 #139

People who don't see that they are priveleged will shut down when you mention it Bettie Jan 2014 #140

Yes. Iggo Jan 2014 #141

How else will they learn to connect institutional racism... Orsino Jan 2014 #151

Define "repeatedly remind" One_Life_To_Give Jan 2014 #153

Are you doing this for dollars or giggles? Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #156

Absolutely & this thread is a perfect demonstration of why. The privileged don't like being Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #157

This is not a yes / no question Glassunion Jan 2014 #164

This seems like a push poll. n/t Chan790 Jan 2014 #170

Eddie Murphy exposed all this years ago. Boudica the Lyoness Jan 2014 #186

Hilarious! Thanks (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #188

I chose "neither" because it's not an either/or. And honestly, framing it that way seems to border nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #187

What does it mean to say that white privilege exists? Vattel Jan 2014 #190

Both #2 and #3. Not #1 because that's too simplistic. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #193

okay, that helps, thx. I guess it is obvious, then, that white privilege exists. Vattel Jan 2014 #194

I'd like to remind people of all colors how destructive Republican politicians are to all Americans. OmahaBlueDog Jan 2014 #195

Using a push poll to get the answer you want here is in itself racist. last1standing Jan 2014 #204

Suggesting that 68% of DUers are gullible enough for me to manipulate them by a "push poll" Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #208

It may be patronizing but not wrong. This OP is racist. last1standing Jan 2014 #209

I don't think it is. Let me ask you a question stevenleser Jan 2014 #212

What's your opinion of the 68% who voted "No" in the poll? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #215

I Didn't Find It So RobinA Jan 2014 #221

Really? You didn't think the false choice smacked of racism? last1standing Jan 2014 #222

no, cause not all white people Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #205

i think you dont understand what privilege means in this context. it is not the La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2014 #206

Well, I Think RobinA Jan 2014 #220

the term was appropriated in academia and is used/understood incorrectly La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2014 #236

I don't believe it is. Blue_In_AK Jan 2014 #213

OP, I'm shocked, but I shouldn't be that this thread is still open and hasn't been locked. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #223

Threads discussing issues on which DUers are split two thirds to one third are rarely locked. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #224

67% of DUers are not racists. However, this thread is evidence that racism exists. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #226

A thread that posts a poll question is necessarily not itself a solution for addressing racism. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #227

That poll itself and how it was worked was not productive. It was hostile and biased. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #231

I guess the 140+ DUers who chose to vote missed the ridiculousness. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #234

Haven't white people suffered enough? Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #225

Now THIS is exactly the kind of thoughtful, helpful and productive approach Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #228

White People suck libodem Jan 2014 #230

It's essential when confronted with white privilege assholery... polichick Jan 2014 #232

It is always a good idea to remind people when they have it better than Rex Jan 2014 #237

Yes, People Always RobinA Jan 2014 #238

Well some don't give two shits, I'll give you that. Rex Jan 2014 #239

No, that's not what I am asking. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #240

Well if you frame it like that, then it becomes typical harassment Rex Jan 2014 #241

Relentless hectoring? You must be very upset by such hectoring. kwassa Jan 2014 #242

It does not upset me personally. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #243

there's no need for the bickering to be "unproductive" CreekDog Jan 2014 #266

I say it's unproductive because most people don't want to acknowledge being wrong alp227 Jan 2014 #271

Actually, there's a simpler way of approaching the issue MrScorpio Jan 2014 #304

do tell us of the vast harm this term has caused you and others CreekDog Jan 2014 #307

meh, some folks are guilty because of their white privilege, sorry, cant resolve you randys1 Jul 2015 #308