Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
Showing Original Post only (View all)Witchwind: "No woman is heterosexual" [View all]
Recently, I discovered the most radical, Valerie Solanas-level RadFem blogger I have ever read (and I have read a few).
Her contention is that all PIV is rape, and that women could never love men, but only be colonized by them.
I am attempting to grow in understanding and compassion towards the vast world of people who are not me (which is everyone, as NO ONE is just like me). I would appreciate some feedback on this. I just don't know what to think, other than finding this person to be scary and just as much of a manipulator as the men she is attacking.
http://www.feministes-radicales.org/2013/08/13/4638/
What men call heterosexuality is an institution where men make women captive for PIV, to control our reproductive functions and steal our labour.
Heterosexuality, or sexuality with men does not exist, because the only relationship to men that exists is mens violence, physical and mental invasion one that men have so well crafted and disguised for so long that we can mistake it for attraction, sexual urges or love. All womens attraction to men is 100% eroticised trauma bonding / stockholm syndrome. There is no other form of attraction to men possible than that. None. Any woman sexually or sentimentally attached to a man is ONLY trauma-bonded to him. This is a universal rule under patriarchy.
~ snip ~
So just by looking at the reality of mens domination of women, it holds that emotional or sexual attachment to men can always only be trauma-bonding, because for it not to be trauma-bonding, men would have to not be our oppressors. But theres more to this than what Dee Graham says, so Im building on her theory here.
The reason so many of us trauma-bond so instantly and intensely to men in our proximity and sometimes to just any man that crosses our way, whether we are lesbian, celibate, separatist or het, is that we are programmed and groomed to react in this way to male threat since birth. The key to understanding this is dissociation, since trauma-bonding is a form of dissociation; so before I continue into the female child-grooming theory ill explain what I mean by dissociation and why trauma-bonding is a form of dissociation. Sorry if its a bit long but I have yet to find a shorter way of explaining it.
~ snip ~
This is the template on which grooming to heterosexuality is fixed. I think the reason we can so easily switch to trauma-bonding to men, experience mens approval as such a matter of life or death, perceive that our self-worth is so dependent on somebody elses external attention even if they are repugnant oafs, is because this is how we learned to live and survive as a child, from birth. Then we simply continue to adapt in this way to male violence as we grow, we know no other way to react to abuse. The system of captivity to parents is the same as with male ownership / relationships to men. Same isolation, same captivity, same need to dissociate / TB from ongoing abuse, etc. Theres no way we would dissociate so easily from mens abuse were it not for this treatment as girls. Theres no way we would go near men at all.
~ snip ~
Some more from the primary Wordpress of this author
http://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12/24/on-colonisation-by-men-friendships-with-type-2-colonised-women-and-how-we-understand-it-as-radfems/
~ snip ~
Note. Im writing on colonisation because Ive been thinking a lot about relationships with non radfem (though already into feminism) women lately and how difficult these relationships are. This is a really important question to me because talking to women about feminism (spinning) and creating bonds with women in order to decolonise collectively from men is really whats most important and what I believe feminism and liberation is based on. But sometimes I just get so much shit, and it never stops being painful and exhausting. I make friends with women, I introduce them to feminism, Im full of hope that finally there will be women with whom to discuss and further radical feminism, just BE with them and not in dissonance as it usually is with colonised women, but at some point they end up betraying me, hurting me, they stop and stagnate in the middle of their tracks, may revert even, turn against me, because im too far ahead and they cant go there yet, because theyre not ready to meet certain feminist standards, they have a boyfriend who keeps undoing what she just learned, theyre still not feminist enough to value our friendship and the feminist space were giving each other, they have no idea how rare and precious it is, or may still prefer male company. It hurts every time the same.
At first I was always wrought from brain contortion by trying to figure out what Id done wrong for them to do that to me, Id go over and over the situation to decrypt some hidden understanding I might have missed, something I could do so it wouldnt repeat itself. But something new always crept up again. And I had enough, I had to find a way to protect myself because the whole thing is just too unbearable, its not feminist to let myself continually be hurt by women. So recently Ive figured out a pattern: that every time a woman does this to me, this weird turning down and gaslighting or whatever she chooses to do to harm me, its because she was type #2 colonised. It is the common denominator to all these women, no matter how almost there yet I thought they were. It never happens with women who arent type #2 colonised, or if it does happen, it mends itself easily, I know I can trust them and I dont feel like our relationship will be threatened every minute, not knowing what to expect from them.
~ snip ~
Can men and women live in peace and harmony? Or should women seek social and perhaps completely physical separation from men in WBW-only spaces?
InfoView thread info, including edit history
TrashPut this thread in your Trash Can (My DU » Trash Can)
BookmarkAdd this thread to your Bookmarks (My DU » Bookmarks)
339 replies, 65571 views
ShareGet links to this post and/or share on social media
AlertAlert this post for a rule violation
PowersThere are no powers you can use on this post
EditCannot edit other people's posts
ReplyReply to this post
EditCannot edit other people's posts
Rec (8)
ReplyReply to this post
339 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
You bring up an interesting point, because while Fred Phelps self-identifies as a "Christian",
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2014
#293
I would assume the OP is not your 'thing' either... Why make a deal out of that then?
Ohio Joe
Jan 2014
#39
Except the blog post in the OP isn't really representative of anything but the author's neuroses.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#85
A few days ago I made a post stating that, while it may be true to say some feminists "go too far,"
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#98
You know, somehow I had remembered it as Andy Kauffman. Which would actually make more sense
Recursion
Jan 2014
#47
Solanas, that's the spelling, shot Andy Worhol and critic Mario Amaya at close range
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2014
#152
I fully admit that I don't understand giving her credit for being such a tongue-in-cheek satirist
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2014
#325
"Haha. That's funny because she can't possibly be serious." "Wait, wut?... she *was* serious?"
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#330
I guess the argument, such as it is, is that she was a totally lucid, witty brilliant satirist
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2014
#331
when you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.
Tuesday Afternoon
Jan 2014
#25
How does how another woman acts hurt her so badly? She sounds like she is too emotionally
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2014
#40
She makes a lot of sense. The patriarchy has been pushing this "heterosexual" nonsense too long,
Nye Bevan
Jan 2014
#43
"...at some point they end up betraying me, hurting me ... turn against me"
WorseBeforeBetter
Jan 2014
#45
Like the extreme MRA types, everything, but *everything*, revolves around her.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#86
Sure. It's like the extreme "all kinds of" types. Look at the Alex Jones people.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2014
#95
There is some of the eschatological "be not of this world" aspect to the most extreme separatist
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#96
Indeed; it's this sort of apocalyptic, original sin, all-or-nothing thinking.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2014
#106
Sorry, Neoma, not my intent at all. I'm not an expert on diagnosis, but it clearly involves heavy
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2014
#210
I can control my Kinect with my voice, that makes me feel like Captain Picard.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2014
#241
I upgraded to DSL, I already spent 20 bucks on something called an HDMI cable
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2014
#227
Unbelievable! It's not 'natural'? So go to tribal cultures and pregnancy used to occur
DebJ
Jan 2014
#296
As they are extremely transphobic, I don't think we should extend much courtesy to them...
stevenleser
Jan 2014
#201
OK, I'll explain. You either accept folks who have transitioned into a gender, or you don't.
stevenleser
Jan 2014
#215
A) she's crazier than a shithouse rat B) thankfully, i highly doubt her worldview is a common one
dionysus
Jan 2014
#220
It dehumanizes trans women much the same way they claim the patriarchy dehumanizes them.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#89
Yikes. Uh. I hope that just means the OP is familiar with differen types of feminist theory
cinnabonbon
Jan 2014
#318
DU has seen people express exactly that sentiment, with exactly that rhetoric.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2014
#329
This is an example of someone taking a language of truth and running it off a cliff.
Gravitycollapse
Jan 2014
#59
"...an important thought experiment but, really, nothing more." Good way to put it.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#91
Sometimes it's the "crazy" people who most clearly perceive the truth. Or a piece of it.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#101
Slavoj Zizek and Avitol Ronell are perfect examples of genius and madness...
Gravitycollapse
Jan 2014
#105
Considering what witchwind and her cohorts write to be dismissed as crazy
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2014
#238
well, take heart, i doubt they're going to contribute any further to the gene pool.
dionysus
Jan 2014
#336
There was one case of an "abolitionist" feminist who sexually abused the sex workers she was
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#93
You have a right to say whatever you please. The poster seemed to think her opinion was
El_Johns
Jan 2014
#77
I was waiting for someone to post about this er-- stuff I've been aware of it for some time
ismnotwasm
Jan 2014
#70
A copy of the Solanas Manifesto on my wife's bedside would prevent my restful sleep.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#203
I showed this post to my wife. Her face has been stuck like this for about an hour now.
Glassunion
Jan 2014
#92
She is the female counterpart to MRA. Maybe they can get together and keep each other busy.
Squinch
Jan 2014
#251
that'd be a reality show i'd watch. force her and some MRA goon to be roomates.
dionysus
Jan 2014
#259
Never got past the "boys are yucky" stage of social and mental development
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jan 2014
#109
This reads like a UNA bomber style manifesto. This woman needs mental help. n/t
leeroysphitz
Jan 2014
#116
Every discriminated-against group has a small contingent that becomes whack-job in their militancy
stevenleser
Jan 2014
#119
Now imagine this person was a duer, running around threads calling anyone who didn't buy into
quinnox
Jan 2014
#122
Its an excellent analogy. Very true, the same group uses Chris Christie's tactics of bullying
Katashi_itto
Jan 2014
#125
spot on. it not the same league, it's not the same ballpark, it's not even the same sport.
dionysus
Jan 2014
#230
TY:) I knew I recognized the name, but couldn't remember exactly in what context. nt
polly7
Jan 2014
#185
I'd rather imagine a DU where being called on gender bias would be considered a good feature. n/t
Gormy Cuss
Jan 2014
#192
Or.. Imagine we had MRA extremists who are DU'ers trying to prove men are oppressed by women
Ohio Joe
Jan 2014
#193
Next up, you should post a blog by someone who drives a new Cadillac, eats lobster everyday and smok
LanternWaste
Jan 2014
#146
I'm rather certain that six of one is half a dozen of the other in this case.
LanternWaste
Jan 2014
#160
complex ptsd, borderline personality disorder, generalizing personal abuse history to all
zazen
Jan 2014
#157
The Valerie Solanas - Sheila Jeffreys cult seems to be closing in on the "Final Solution"
Zorra
Jan 2014
#196
I'm interested in her plan for perpetuating the human race under this philosophy
whatchamacallit
Jan 2014
#204
witchwind answered this is one of the comments section of one of her blog posts --
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2014
#237
Evolutionary biology has posited the very interesting theory that males
nadinbrzezinski
Jan 2014
#231
Well, it doesn't take much for one person to declare themselves a "movement"
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2014
#288
Well, after I read that a MRA professor claimed the reason less guys go to uni than women
KitSileya
Jan 2014
#316
"At one point in the retreat, a huge V appeared in the sky directly over us–chem trails, perhaps..."
dionysus
Jan 2014
#261
Good lord, "male separatists" well gives lots of time for hobbies and cold showers I suppose.
Katashi_itto
Jan 2014
#311
I tend to not hang out with folks who are routinely outraged about anything.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2014
#278
I've got a threat with 320 posts and counting in it says you're wrong.
Donald Ian Rankin
Jan 2014
#321