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cali

(114,904 posts) Fri Jan 31, 2014, 11:15 AM Jan 2014

Have we passed "the tipping point"? [View all]

On a national level, Is this society and our government too fucked up in too many ways, to repair through the democratic process?

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	yes.
	18 (56%)
	no
	12 (38%)
	how dare you ask such a depressing question
	0 (0%)
	Pollyanna is my role model
	2 (6%)
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Have we passed "the tipping point"? [View all] cali Jan 2014 OP

I'm throwing away my college degree to get a job in roofing so I can go out and buy an iPod adirondacker Jan 2014 #1

Well, you can make more money roofing than a college adjunct professor makes. Coyotl Jan 2014 #23

Does the democratic process include Storming of the Bastille? Downwinder Jan 2014 #2

Long ago. Scuba Jan 2014 #3

What ProSense Jan 2014 #4

until you can actually respond to anything cogently and without cali Jan 2014 #5

Why the cop out? ProSense Jan 2014 #8

You left out an inmportant one: "Dunno.... beats the hell out of me." Armstead Jan 2014 #6

I think DU has passed the tipping point snooper2 Jan 2014 #7

Oh, what ProSense Jan 2014 #9

It has nothing to do with "smelling the flowers" cali Jan 2014 #10

By all indicators everything has been getting better in this country snooper2 Jan 2014 #13

right. so there really isn't growing income disparity. so there really isn't more corporate cali Jan 2014 #40

"rational analysis" LordGlenconner Jan 2014 #52

Rec For Key of Awsome.... n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #50

Eeyore Underground! FSogol Jan 2014 #76

Seems like some people here have, that's for sure. berni_mccoy Jan 2014 #11

First "the democratic process" would have to be fixed - so it's a chicken and egg scenario. polichick Jan 2014 #12

That's what I was thinking. The_Commonist Jan 2014 #27

there we have it Liberalynn Jan 2014 #77

And that is the crux of the matter....... socialist_n_TN Jan 2014 #58

hit.nail.head Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #66

In the literature, Pollyanna was right. She was not incorrectly optimistic, she was Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #14

+1000. Interesting perspective. nt adirondacker Jan 2014 #17

Indeed. It is those who believe that change is possible MineralMan Jan 2014 #25

Yep, Zinn did think that, but.......... socialist_n_TN Jan 2014 #62

Well, since you don't know my idea of action, MineralMan Jan 2014 #63

True. But the only thing I've seen written from you ....... socialist_n_TN Jan 2014 #65

Well, you see, I consider that to be a very important thing MineralMan Jan 2014 #68

So I guess by your last sentence, you didn't vote for Ty Moore...... socialist_n_TN Jan 2014 #71

I live in St. Paul. That's a different city. I don't vote in Minneapolis MineralMan Jan 2014 #73

Actually I did understand that.......... socialist_n_TN Jan 2014 #79

I pay very little attention to city council MineralMan Jan 2014 #80

It's possible to say all is lost (the old things) and there is hope (in the new things) at the same BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #74

OK. MineralMan Jan 2014 #75

Indeed. Don't buy the doom and gloom because you impair yourself. Coyotl Jan 2014 #26

Great Post! nt Mojorabbit Jan 2014 #32

rec MerryBlooms Jan 2014 #35

I agree, but you'll get flamed on DU for making this point. closeupready Jan 2014 #46

I do not think so and I'll use the Tea Party as an example rustydog Jan 2014 #15

The Tea Party edhopper Jan 2014 #18

No they were infiltrated by and taken over by the Koch brothers rustydog Jan 2014 #29

I think we had the chance edhopper Jan 2014 #16

Spot on. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #37

I would say there are a good number of Democrats edhopper Jan 2014 #38

I don't see how a Progressive Democrat could ever be in a position of real power. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #43

I think it Obama edhopper Jan 2014 #47

I think the question to ask is whether this gov't TBF Jan 2014 #19

Unfortunately T, too many people don't know the history....... socialist_n_TN Jan 2014 #60

I didn't spell it all out -- TBF Jan 2014 #69

Yes I do know that......... socialist_n_TN Jan 2014 #72

In 1932 the answer was "yes". n/t pampango Jan 2014 #20

But in 2014?..... socialist_n_TN Jan 2014 #59

And what alternative to the democratic process do you have in mind? MineralMan Jan 2014 #21

Of course, those who think so will click the OP in greater numbers, so ignore poll Coyotl Jan 2014 #22

'My bet, almost everyone who clicks yes on this poll hasn't ever registered a voter!' MineralMan Jan 2014 #24

Some people do DU after a day of working GOTV. Some people do DU instead of GOTV. Coyotl Jan 2014 #28

+1 MineralMan Jan 2014 #31

The question should be, "How many have passed the tipping point, and Coyotl Jan 2014 #36

people voting yes in this poll lapfog_1 Jan 2014 #30

Or maybe they do have a concept and don't think that will happen either Fumesucker Jan 2014 #39

2nd amendment remedies? lapfog_1 Jan 2014 #45

I prefer working class remedies.......... socialist_n_TN Jan 2014 #61

Would it be such a bad thing if America became a "second rate power"? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #33

not in my pov, but that has nothing to do with the op. at all. cali Jan 2014 #41

I realize that. But, I think that "exceptionalism" is part of the problem. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #44

I think that enough power to defend ourselves is sufficient. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #42

NO, Progressive dog Jan 2014 #34

God I hope not, or we will come to the tipping point of French revolution solutions. grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #48

it certainly seems to look that way - but in many respects the world has gotten better and in many Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #49

This is not remotely close to the important tipping point which seems to be universally ignored HERVEPA Jan 2014 #51

In this lifetime? Probably not. tblue Jan 2014 #53

As long as the people have the vote, there's hope Distant Quasar Jan 2014 #54

Good luck with that. 1/2 or more don't know the 3 branches of government. We apparently have lonestarnot Jan 2014 #82

Yes, lack of civic engagement is a big problem Distant Quasar Feb 2014 #86

Citizen's United, electronic voting, gerrymandered districts, a compromised meda & voter apathy. CrispyQ Jan 2014 #55

The people in this country are so far beyond fucked up most don't even know their fucked up. Larry Ogg Jan 2014 #56

It can be done. But all parties must agree to remove money from the political process. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #57

How would you get to such a "But"? If you could do that we wouldn't have many of the other issues TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #64

If the idea of publicly financed campaigns were made an issue by political candidates Enthusiast Jan 2014 #78

I agree. woo me with science Jan 2014 #81

Well done! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #84

The system has been broken for a long, long time. bigwillq Jan 2014 #67

the people need to re-appropriate the political process BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #70

It's darkest before the dawn. We're on the verge of winning in ways that will shock the capitalists. reformist2 Jan 2014 #83

WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR?!? hootinholler Feb 2014 #85

"Society"? "Government"? Hah. If only that were all. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #87

So many "clever" responses to the OP. Yet not one of them is addressing the points you've Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2014 #89

Collective shortsightedness and misplaced priorities Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #90

this is a lot harder to face. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #91

Good question. (no text) Quantess Feb 2014 #88