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hotrod0808

(323 posts)
24. I'll tell you flat out
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 10:13 PM
Feb 2014

how it is for an alcoholic/addict: Long-term sobriety is never a guarantee. All an addict has is today. Just stay sober today. The addict must seek support. He or she cannot do it themselves. They are suggested to join groups and be active, seeking a sponsor as a guide through The Twelve Steps. The must have the humility to know that they are not the center of the universe, and are therefore not in charge. AA/NA are full of Christians and they are God-oriented programs. Yet, and addict does not have to automatically convert to Christianity upon entry into the program. It is possible to be an Atheist and be a member. The only requirement for membership is the desire to stop drinking/using.

As a member of AA for several 24 hours, all I know is that a program of recovery saved my life. It only continues to save my life if I continue to practice the principles of the program in all my affairs. Sadly, I have heard several stories of those in recovery who had decades of sobriety who used again, and their story was all the same: they ceased to practice their daily program of recovery.

I grieve Mr. Hoffman, and never met him. I grieve every addict or alcoholic who has died from their disease. I will not judge him and I will not belittle him. My only hope from this horrible story is that those who are sick and suffering from this disease may use this as a catalyst to seek help themselves.

Ugh. Yes. Lesleymo Feb 2014 #1
best wishes for you and your son ! nt steve2470 Feb 2014 #2
+1000 nt narnian60 Feb 2014 #16
I'm so sorry Lesleymo...Keep a stiff upper lip and have faith in your son. Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #63
Kick.... daleanime Feb 2014 #3
All true, unfortunately Warpy Feb 2014 #4
Excellent points Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #6
My sister has done great with AA, my brother has not. johnp3907 Feb 2014 #11
They call it hitting bottom Warpy Feb 2014 #12
Yeah, late night phones calls are nerve wracking. johnp3907 Feb 2014 #23
I'm the snide cynical type Flying Squirrel Feb 2014 #32
Right, and I'm the snide, cynical type Warpy Feb 2014 #76
I have a family full of addicts loyalsister Feb 2014 #31
Did a doctor prescribe pain pills to him? abelenkpe Feb 2014 #5
They will. Most doctors know very little about addiction cally Feb 2014 #9
Many Won't, Even When They are Needed for Actual Pain AndyTiedye Feb 2014 #17
This is a problem too get the red out Feb 2014 #55
It is Actually Much Worse than That AndyTiedye Feb 2014 #67
Dear GOD get the red out Feb 2014 #72
Drug addiction is horrible. My thoughts go out to all those, and their WestSeattle2 Feb 2014 #7
Why are you so confident he made it 23 years clean? Lost_Count Feb 2014 #8
Me ? That's the article text you're reading nt steve2470 Feb 2014 #10
Fair 'nuff... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #18
That word is there Flying Squirrel Feb 2014 #33
Absolutely... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #35
Why are you so convinced he didn't? Oh yeah, you don't like that "innocent until proven guilty"? CreekDog Feb 2014 #14
I can believe it he made it 23 years steve2470 Feb 2014 #15
Very possible... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #20
ok I see your point nt steve2470 Feb 2014 #22
Apparently when he was not sober, it was quite obvious. morningfog Feb 2014 #36
WHAT A LOSS ON SO MANY LEVELS Samantha Feb 2014 #13
Last year,after 23 years in recovery,... MarianJack Feb 2014 #19
kick cally Feb 2014 #21
I'll tell you flat out hotrod0808 Feb 2014 #24
excellent post, thank you steve2470 Feb 2014 #25
Actually phil89 Feb 2014 #74
Thanks for this, steve. Cha Feb 2014 #26
my pleasure, Cha ! steve2470 Feb 2014 #27
Yes, I know all about Cha Feb 2014 #28
.... steve2470 Feb 2014 #50
I am a 46 year old alcoholic with just short of 14 years sober dsc Feb 2014 #29
What you said. n/t Flying Squirrel Feb 2014 #34
It Just Has To Be So Hard To Grapple With colsohlibgal Feb 2014 #30
kick nt steve2470 Feb 2014 #37
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"Science is slippery in all areas" ? TBF Feb 2014 #39
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Whether to call Pluto a planet or a dwarf planet is just a matter of classification muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #42
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"crazier than the average person anyway" steve2470 Feb 2014 #45
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many of us are mental health professionals, yes steve2470 Feb 2014 #48
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I suggest you go to your local community college and take a science class Blecht Feb 2014 #60
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What do you think about gravity? Fact? Or "nothing but" a theory? (nt) Heidi Feb 2014 #68
Exactly...nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #41
Well, at least in all the interesting areas... MineralMan Feb 2014 #49
Were you "slippery" in math? jeff47 Feb 2014 #53
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I'm not seeking to be convinced. I'm seeking to understand. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2014 #58
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Why? jeff47 Feb 2014 #69
the number 19 kinda jumped out at me hfojvt Feb 2014 #44
Serotonin is another neurotransmitter involved nt steve2470 Feb 2014 #47
Addiction is usually a vast cluster of inter-related avoidance strategies. sibelian Feb 2014 #52
Thank you for the thoughtful post n/t TroglodyteScholar Feb 2014 #56
Seth Mnookin gets all the credit :) nt steve2470 Feb 2014 #59
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This won't go down well get the red out Feb 2014 #64
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Because I suffer from depression get the red out Feb 2014 #66
best wishes to you with that illness also steve2470 Feb 2014 #70
This part pipi_k Feb 2014 #71
correct ! nt steve2470 Feb 2014 #73
last bump nt steve2470 Feb 2014 #75
I used to be an alcoholic. Quit for three months. Now a social drinker. Th1onein Feb 2014 #77
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