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142. I take umbrage to the notion we are not classified in a way our taxonomic nomenclature

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 12:01 PM

Feb 2014

would have a separate branch diverged away from other apes. The only reason people do that is because we are a conceded, self centered species and think we are above all other species that evolved with us.

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Hey women [View all] boston bean Feb 2014 OP

um, ok PeaceNikki Feb 2014 #1

oh I suspect you missed the OP boston bean Feb 2014 #2

Bonobos, like humans are apes, not monkeys. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #3

oh, thanks for the info. I'll change the OP to APES instead of monkeys. boston bean Feb 2014 #5

humans are not apes by the way and apes aren't human, btw. boston bean Feb 2014 #6

Learn a little biology hobbit709 Feb 2014 #10

you learn boston bean Feb 2014 #17

Humans are classified as members of the ape family, monkeys are not. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #21

Humans are not apes. boston bean Feb 2014 #42

since your mind is made up and science be damned, i won't bother any more. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #46

My mind is made up that in the context of this OP and your wording boston bean Feb 2014 #56

Here's another example of Squinch Feb 2014 #136

And, chervilant Feb 2014 #673

Yep. Squinch Feb 2014 #675

1% Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #126

this entire thread is a load of wtf RainDog Feb 2014 #569

it is off another thread. no challenging evo psych or you challenge evolution. seabeyond Feb 2014 #572

the assumptions made here are nonsense whatever the reason RainDog Feb 2014 #574

if you challenge evo psych, you challenge evolution. (that was the statement made) seabeyond Feb 2014 #575

Thanks for clarifying RainDog Feb 2014 #578

i am cooking. i will get back to finding the OP. bonobo posted it last night. seabeyond Feb 2014 #579

here. seabeyond Feb 2014 #580

thanks RainDog Feb 2014 #581

lol, ya... seabeyond Feb 2014 #582

Help me out here please cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #97

Read this hobbit709 Feb 2014 #105

Thanks! cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #130

that's a fascinating blog post foo_bar Feb 2014 #423

We are apes, many biologists agree with this. Nika Feb 2014 #86

I was taught apes meant cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #122

Depends on the Scope of your definition. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #200

I would think you're right. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #214

i am talking the real issue, and do not give a shit what we call ourselves. but i do care about men seabeyond Feb 2014 #219

... cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #234

I was hoping my pun wasn't obscure, but it's been 90 years Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #616

No, apes are not a separate suborder from humans Distant Quasar Feb 2014 #366

That is very interesting! cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #435

I really don't see the problem Distant Quasar Feb 2014 #449

It's just that cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #466

Yeah, I'm not sure you and I really disagree Distant Quasar Feb 2014 #505

I think we agree more than we disagree, yes cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #538

This message was self-deleted by its author whathehell Feb 2014 #576

We are most definitely a species of great ape--not that there's anything wrong with that! tblue37 Feb 2014 #205

Humans are apes Shivering Jemmy Feb 2014 #273

Are apes humans? boston bean Feb 2014 #419

That is like asking are arthropods spiders? JonLP24 Feb 2014 #433

Are insects ants? foo_bar Feb 2014 #437

Are aunts uncles? Orrex Feb 2014 #446

If you had ever seen Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #591

I don't disagree that humans descended from the same ancester as apes boston bean Feb 2014 #618

sigh. Yeah, I missed it. PeaceNikki Feb 2014 #4

But those who don't avoid it cvoogt Feb 2014 #198

I must have missed it also. mimi85 Feb 2014 #283

It's closer to human than a pig.... fadedrose Feb 2014 #518

The bonobo "argument" always makes me laugh. MadrasT Feb 2014 #7

bonobo, bonobo, bonobo, you must accept objectification because well... bonobo's. boston bean Feb 2014 #8

Yup, you're right. Bonobo Feb 2014 #12

well see, no one said that either. time to go back and use the c word, cause you are pissed? nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #23

You mean the word I used Bonobo Feb 2014 #25

i mean your glee in throwing out the c word every chance you get. the most vulgar and vile word seabeyond Feb 2014 #27

I just passed up a perfect opportunity Bonobo Feb 2014 #30

??? by calling me one? really? and this is the man that you are, that we are suppose to respect? seabeyond Feb 2014 #32

I never said that! Bonobo Feb 2014 #36

of course you never said it. you might get a hide. just might. you did imply. seabeyond Feb 2014 #39

No, ... oldhippie Feb 2014 #190

Hey! No gun fights in the War Room! Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #207

finding new lows, one thread at a time. bettyellen Feb 2014 #302

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #410

There was a poll in your group about the word "prick" boston bean Feb 2014 #29

OMG! You-you said the d,d, D-WORD!! Bonobo Feb 2014 #34

you are a piece of work. boston bean Feb 2014 #40

Context matters when YOU want it to. Bonobo Feb 2014 #48

not a cute little game. vile, vulgar word that you pull out often and dismiss with, didnt call seabeyond Feb 2014 #66

You haven't got a clue. Bonobo Feb 2014 #71

you, as a man, that created the insulting vileness of a word toward women, reject that they have any seabeyond Feb 2014 #75

Easy for you to say, you're not a target for that word. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #78

You mean the word "dick"? Bonobo Feb 2014 #80

and as each one of you men, that feign outrage over the word, has also expressed it bothers you not. seabeyond Feb 2014 #88

I haven't. I haven't called anyone on DU a dick, nor have I applauded anyone being called a dick seaglass Feb 2014 #112

And I never called anyone a C-word. Never. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #116

again. you make sure you throw the word out in a manner that will not get a hide, or might, to seabeyond Feb 2014 #123

That is a classic case of moving the goalposts. Bonobo Feb 2014 #133

it is a matter of staying on point, your go to word is the c word to be as vile as you can seabeyond Feb 2014 #154

Correction, some. Nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #158

While we're on the subject of the naughty word list, can I nominate the word 'ape' to be added? Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #652

that would be silly violet, but you can surely do whatever the fuck you want. truly. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #665

You use the word to offend and that's enough. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #146

No I don't. Bonobo Feb 2014 #153

omg. so you use a highly vulgar, vile word toward women because men made sure that word was vile seabeyond Feb 2014 #160

Oh you can say you dont want to hear it. Bonobo Feb 2014 #163

you have used it often, and sometimes repetitively and have had hides because of it. you use it seabeyond Feb 2014 #168

That is a lie. Bonobo Feb 2014 #173

i wouldnt waste the time of my day on you, in that regard bonobo. a man thats go to word seabeyond Feb 2014 #177

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #183

Are you saying you have never had a post hidden boston bean Feb 2014 #186

I'm saying that sea said I use the word often and repeatedly and she lied. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #192

a year or more ago, you had two or three ops repeatedly using offensive words toward women. seabeyond Feb 2014 #193

The B-word! LOL Bonobo Feb 2014 #197

of course you do not. no skin off your knee to be called either, cause it is a slur against women. seabeyond Feb 2014 #199

Far fewer women are offended by it than you think Bonobo Feb 2014 #204

oh. so you get to decide to use the c word cause you have decided women are not, should not be seabeyond Feb 2014 #209

The handful of men here who insist on explaining to women how they know what women think amuse me. redqueen Feb 2014 #218

i believe he believes. and though that may sound complimentary, it is anything but sad. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #224

Is it fair to say that women don't know what men think? AngryAmish Feb 2014 #555

i think it is fair for me to say, i really do not give a shit what you think. yup. seabeyond Feb 2014 #565

? AngryAmish Feb 2014 #568

"Men" do not think as a homogenous group. MadrasT Feb 2014 #573

I was referring to the ha ha "b-word" that upsets you so. Bonobo Feb 2014 #220

you had no reason to use it yesterday but to puff out your chest to the men in the mens group. seabeyond Feb 2014 #227

I had a very good reason. Bonobo Feb 2014 #230

Far MORE women are offended by that word, chervilant Feb 2014 #517

i have, its no biggie, personally fanny is worse to me. context etc matters. loli phabay Feb 2014 #415

The f word offends me joeglow3 Feb 2014 #203

says the man that doesnt know the difference between rape and not. i hardly take you seriously. seabeyond Feb 2014 #212

Really? You were the one who couldn't define rape? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #222

The F word isn't bigoted. Stop playing games. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #213

What words are bigoted against men? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #226

What words are bigoted against white people? redqueen Feb 2014 #232

Uh. The same old red queen tactic joeglow3 Feb 2014 #242

I thought her post was spot on. boston bean Feb 2014 #245

Not really. She claims others need to educate themselves joeglow3 Feb 2014 #275

I guess she was at one point trying to engage and be helpful. boston bean Feb 2014 #279

skinner has repeatedly told us to "educate" over the last couple years. you have issue? talk to seabeyond Feb 2014 #291

If everyone is educating and no one needs to be educated, what good are we? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #337

when a person asks the board what is rape and what is not. i think there needs to be education. seabeyond Feb 2014 #344

Education would require an answer to the question asked joeglow3 Feb 2014 #365

Yeah right. seaglass Feb 2014 #252

I bet they have. JTFrog Feb 2014 #424

I just did a search and what you said is blatantly untrue... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #661

Shhhhhhhhh ........... polly7 Feb 2014 #662

LOL. I've gone and spoilt things now! Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #663

It's great to see you polly7 Feb 2014 #664

actually violet you absolutely validated what i said. and he uses it repeatedly in exactly the seabeyond Feb 2014 #666

presumably though hfojvt Feb 2014 #137

Yes. I remember reading one feminist saying how come treestar Feb 2014 #76

"examples from animals always seem to mention the ones that "support" male supremacy." seabeyond Feb 2014 #92

If you come across that again, redqueen Feb 2014 #94

We can't ignore the continuity of evolution. Deep13 Feb 2014 #384

gentically yes, but I'll tell you one thing, my life is nothing like the life of a bonobo. boston bean Feb 2014 #448

Your objection is a normal part of human behavior. Deep13 Feb 2014 #511

Of course it's cultural. That is the point, it's not biological. boston bean Feb 2014 #515

+1 Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #609

Lots of people were outraged that Darwin Bonobo Feb 2014 #9

You do understand that "descended from" and "equivalent to" are not remotely the same thing? MadrasT Feb 2014 #13

someone must shave my whole body while I am asleep Whisp Feb 2014 #74

Humans are apes. LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #11

Thank you. Bonobo Feb 2014 #14

yes, you are using evo psych like religion uses dominance over women. educate yourself. start here. seabeyond Feb 2014 #19

Is there a source for this? opiate69 Feb 2014 #311

humans are apes? prove it. boston bean Feb 2014 #20

Humans are apes. Bonobo Feb 2014 #26

humans are NOT apes. Prove it please. boston bean Feb 2014 #31

Can you articulate what would constitute proof, to you? Orrex Feb 2014 #60

Yes you're right our classification, if you will is basically that humans are apes ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #286

Humans are apes in the same way that cats are felines Orrex Feb 2014 #307

Good analogy. ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #355

bonobo said... no challenging evo psych, that is challenging evolution. that is what started this.nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #335

Science is discrediting evo-Psych ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #354

yes. agreed. and tha tis what the issue of this thread is. DEMANDING we buy into the garbage seabeyond Feb 2014 #356

Prove they are not. physically we classify out to be in the same category. Nika Feb 2014 #89

Do you live your life like an ape? boston bean Feb 2014 #93

We all live are lives like apes, because we are apes. Nika Feb 2014 #102

+1 Agschmid Feb 2014 #210

It is impossible to prove a negative. The burden is on the one making the claim to prove it's true. redqueen Feb 2014 #99

We are built the same, and the only thing we have is a brain almost as well developed as a dolphin, Nika Feb 2014 #110

I don't see anyone in this thread disputing that we're related to our cousins in category. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #127

I take umbrage to the notion we are not classified in a way our taxonomic nomenclature Nika Feb 2014 #142

You'd have to ignore the context to make that assertion. The context here, redqueen Feb 2014 #149

We are animals too. And sometimes we do do things of a sexual nature that is irrational Nika Feb 2014 #170

Unlike animals we are capable of discussing things, like we are here. redqueen Feb 2014 #178

free for all rape. just animals here. wtf boys. go at it. and this, is the issue. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #180

We are animals too. And sometimes we do do things of a sexual nature that is irrational, Nika Feb 2014 #172

The issue is that is not an excuse boston bean Feb 2014 #181

I don't agree with that ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #378

We are animals. We torture, kill and imprison dolphins which have culture, a language, Nika Feb 2014 #391

Well you have a point there ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #399

This is driving me crazy these threads always do ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #367

My understanding of proof is that it is impossible to prove a negative which is what you just asked. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #144

You mean that you can't prove that 2 + 2 =/= 5? Orrex Feb 2014 #174

Well, you know. That IS not always true cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #221

can you prove there is No God ... by the way 5 is not a negative number. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #244

Define God. Orrex Feb 2014 #254

Define it to suit yourself and then disprove it. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #269

If God exists, then God is an ice cream cone perched on my desk and plainly visible to all Orrex Feb 2014 #278

God defies parameters. Ergo there is a God. Yum, Ice Cream! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #282

You told me to define God, and then you redefined God Orrex Feb 2014 #301

I will take mine third way, thanks! :-) Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #325

I deny all knowledge of that. Orrex Feb 2014 #332

Humans are in the Hominoidea superfamily. chrisa Feb 2014 #114

Chrisa, I understand and I am not a denier. boston bean Feb 2014 #117

Yeah I'm sorry about this BB ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #372

humans are not apes. boston bean Feb 2014 #18

Yes. They are apes. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #22

prove that humans ARE apes. boston bean Feb 2014 #24

Prove that humans are evolved from monkeys! Bonobo Feb 2014 #28

uh, I see. You think because one has come from something boston bean Feb 2014 #33

Humans are apes and science is a methodology Bonobo Feb 2014 #38

evo psych, which you base all of your manhood on, is. and science confirms. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #43

No magice tome. Humans are not apes. You have proved nothing. boston bean Feb 2014 #47

BB, humans...they are apes. They ARE. Bonobo Feb 2014 #50

Oh yeah, I'm on the bible thumpers side... wtf? boston bean Feb 2014 #55

Are orangutan and chimps "one and the same"? Bonobo Feb 2014 #57

right, that is you one should not state that HUMANS ARE APES. boston bean Feb 2014 #61

Seriously I give up arguing with you. Bonobo Feb 2014 #64

someone dreaming about Quest for Fire again? Whisp Feb 2014 #79

Rae Dawn Chong! Nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #82

exactly. stick three asses out on a mag cover and all of a sudden we have this shit. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #96

I swear this is all about Quest for Fire and those good ole days! Whisp Feb 2014 #111

it would be funny, if not so disgusting having bonobos saying it is innately there right to tap that seabeyond Feb 2014 #119

I listen to bonobos like I am Whisp Feb 2014 #138

i love your voice, whisp. and i was in a totally opposite environment. my men say WTF.... lol. seabeyond Feb 2014 #165

Also, you do know that black persons take great offense to being compared boston bean Feb 2014 #35

Lol. Thanks for the laughs! Bonobo Feb 2014 #41

Comedic for you I'm sure. For many others, not so much. boston bean Feb 2014 #49

Sigh... I give up nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #52

You want to ignore the fact that it isn't flattering to try to boston bean Feb 2014 #58

... LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #68

So black people should not be offended? boston bean Feb 2014 #77

You REALLY need to read up on bonobos LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #125

I would love to read about bonobo's what I don't want boston bean Feb 2014 #129

Why take it personally? LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #152

If you can't follow along in discussions, it's not my boston bean Feb 2014 #185

Actually it went like this: Bonobo Feb 2014 #241

you left out the part, if you do not believe in evo psych, you do not believe in evolution or some seabeyond Feb 2014 #257

That's what caused all this?? Unbelievable! sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #444

That is the saddest aspect of all this muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #660

Hot sweaty... one_voice Feb 2014 #440

Seriously... LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #514

hell they sound like they're more in... one_voice Feb 2014 #533

This message was self-deleted by its author chrisa Feb 2014 #100

That's like saying "prove to me a square is a rectangle!" Silent3 Feb 2014 #45

right which is the point. There is a huge difference. boston bean Feb 2014 #51

No, what's right to the point is that you're wrong about us being apes. Silent3 Feb 2014 #63

Evolution. You can't state that humans are apes boston bean Feb 2014 #81

If that was your point, then why start by emphatically declaring that we aren't apes? Silent3 Feb 2014 #120

In the context of the OP, when confronted with the statement boston bean Feb 2014 #124

Homo sapiens are part of the "great apes" family classification wise. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #59

or they do nto exist at all, merely want to use science to create a new religion by taking behavior seabeyond Feb 2014 #70

Which is the whole point of the naturalistic fallacy. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #90

That is why it is so offensive. boston bean Feb 2014 #98

No argument here. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #103

exactly nuclear. god forbid anyone actually read what scientists say is the fail of evo psych. seabeyond Feb 2014 #104

Well, that is the point. boston bean Feb 2014 #84

"we're also inherently capable of higher reasoning and intelligence than most other species" redqueen Feb 2014 #101

Here is proof LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #308

Whatever. Next you'll tell us that humans are chordates. Orrex Feb 2014 #62

Humans are apes LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #44

Oh, so we are back to stating that our sex lives ought to be just like monkeys and apes. boston bean Feb 2014 #67

Humans. Are. Fucking. Apes. LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #85

Oh my, bookmark away. Why so hostile? boston bean Feb 2014 #91

"Threats"??? LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #151

oh funny... what you gonna bookmark for boston bean Feb 2014 #169

You said something incredibly, proveably wrong LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #215

recommend away. Nothing I said was provably wrong. boston bean Feb 2014 #228

This is what your link said: LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #321

This is a matter of semantics, which doesn't prove me wrong in the least. boston bean Feb 2014 #327

It was YOUR LINK LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #351

OMG, no one is telling you to not have sex. boston bean Feb 2014 #358

I didn't say you were LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #403

I reject it on the premise that it must be accepted because boston bean Feb 2014 #442

No one said you had to do anything with your sexuality, now did they? LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #447

No, the reason for the posting (bonobos) was to diminish the objection boston bean Feb 2014 #451

Sexual attraction is completely natural. LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #452

Of course it is. boston bean Feb 2014 #454

I'll wait. n/t LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #456

wait on then. nt boston bean Feb 2014 #461

That's what I thought. Game, set, match. n/t LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #463

I didn't know we were playing a game. boston bean Feb 2014 #497

This.. one_voice Feb 2014 #528

People called me an ape all through this thread. boston bean Feb 2014 #547

and you can ignore the issues with promoting evo psych cause it meets agenda and relegated to the seabeyond Feb 2014 #72

And, they run around naked all the time. pintobean Feb 2014 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author chrisa Feb 2014 #87

If humans had a similar mating strategy to bonobos, we would probably *be* bonobos. dawg Feb 2014 #15

it is stupid. that simple. and to insist if you call out faux science evo psych, you are seabeyond Feb 2014 #16

"evo psych" gets it exactly backward dawg Feb 2014 #189

we assume. we look at today, and make it work from beginning of time. when they actually seabeyond Feb 2014 #202

The true psychology of human evolution is toward equality of the sexes. dawg Feb 2014 #229

+10000000000 redqueen Feb 2014 #240

this is why it does not work. they are finding women were hunting with the men, or hunting seabeyond Feb 2014 #243

^^^ what dawg said ^^^ MadrasT Feb 2014 #290

Actually we evolved our brains to become larger Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #677

soooo...on the ape spectrum, some men are more "apey" and have more... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #37

I must love apes cause I have never opened a door for one The Straight Story Feb 2014 #53

Now, Straight, don't think about the doors. You know how it upsets you. Squinch Feb 2014 #145

No, not so much me - but it sure upsets people who think The Straight Story Feb 2014 #155

See, there you go. It isn't good for you. Squinch Feb 2014 #159

Ah, the short reply. The Straight Story Feb 2014 #167

Gracious! The doors seem to have you more upset than usual today! Squinch Feb 2014 #179

ba ha ha ha ha. perfect. what is this, two years now, about the damn doors, in every damn post. lol seabeyond Feb 2014 #176

As usual, nothing of import to say (or nothing coherent anyway) The Straight Story Feb 2014 #194

What were your comments that had coherency related to the OP? boston bean Feb 2014 #201

Please I'm begging you get over the door thing ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #380

Get over sexism? The Straight Story Feb 2014 #522

It doesn't bother me. Why does it bother you? aikoaiko Feb 2014 #54

Of course I believe in evolution. boston bean Feb 2014 #69

The only thing that makes the ape thing particulary offensive is the associated history. Silent3 Feb 2014 #107

Telling women they must be sexual creatures for the benefit of men boston bean Feb 2014 #108

Please do post a link to where someone said that. Silent3 Feb 2014 #121

what is offensive is men using it as a new scientific approach to religion to storytell their way to seabeyond Feb 2014 #113

Please provide a link to a DU poster making the case in favor of male dominance over... Silent3 Feb 2014 #134

here would be one, today, in this thread. an Op last night of bonobo. i am not seabeyond Feb 2014 #187

So you're saying that right here in this thread someone is calling for male dominance and... Silent3 Feb 2014 #236

You don't have to believe anything. boston bean Feb 2014 #253

If someone is trying to be convincing, they've taken on some obligation to be convincing. Silent3 Feb 2014 #294

Not so. It's been pretty clear what the issue here is in this thread. boston bean Feb 2014 #299

I have read. I do understand. Silent3 Feb 2014 #312

ok, then enough of the questions. You seem to have come to a conclusion boston bean Feb 2014 #314

Isnt that statement a taxonomical definition long upheld by biology? aikoaiko Feb 2014 #157

Well, it's pretty damn controversial to me boston bean Feb 2014 #162

Correct we are a different species of apes from other apes and would expect differences aikoaiko Feb 2014 #188

Maybe some humans want to have sex with them JI7 Feb 2014 #65

actually, *warning* sad post below: The Story of Pony Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #156

i was hoping this would turn out fake JI7 Feb 2014 #611

had it been Fake, I would Not have posted it. Sorry. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #612

i know you wouldn't have on purpose JI7 Feb 2014 #614

Isn't that what we have been saying all along? money. the economy. the driving force behind all this Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #617

using a body without regard to being a person. that is ALWAYS damaging. that simple. seabeyond Feb 2014 #667

using a body without regard to being a person. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #668

one point. we do not disagree that people will make their choices and that is theirs to live. seabeyond Feb 2014 #669

Do we suddenly have creationism on DU? LittleBlue Feb 2014 #73

I think I missed the OP you're talking about, BostonB cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #83

Funny you should point out the RW treatment of Obama kcr Feb 2014 #106

It just shows who are making the argument cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #161

It's a liberal board that isn't moderated kcr Feb 2014 #164

yeah, it's sad. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #175

I really hope this doesn't mean we're going to have to deal with evo-psyc on this board. seabeyond Feb 2014 #109

Yeah, it's so messed up. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #147

already happened in this thread. i have scientist debunking evo psych in this thread, but no one is seabeyond Feb 2014 #196

Another one I missed, alas. ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #95

You sound like the anti-evolution zealots Renew Deal Feb 2014 #115

funny... since I believe in evolution.. but keep on trucking! boston bean Feb 2014 #118

I'm not saying you don't Renew Deal Feb 2014 #131

Also, from the religious right is that things are the way they are boston bean Feb 2014 #135

Where did this start? Renew Deal Feb 2014 #571

it goes along with evo psych is the new religion in the name of science that allows male dominance seabeyond Feb 2014 #141

How so? ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #140

That would make you anti evolutionary freak.... boston bean Feb 2014 #171

Yeah it was a derailment wasn't it? ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #191

Wiki also calls humans apes LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #340

You are right ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #402

Yet we keep falling into the same trap LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #412

You have a point there. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #430

as always, I considered the source ... and ... honestly, Boston Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #132

Surely calling some woman a dog is more offensive, no? nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #139

More offensive than what? ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #143

... lol ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #150

ha ha ha ha ha. thanks for jumping in with facts. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #206

when you call one that, let me know how it works out for you, kay. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #148

I didn't see the thread at issue, but I did hear about it BainsBane Feb 2014 #166

it does not hurt these mens feelings to see themselves as unevolved apes. it is their definition seabeyond Feb 2014 #217

They seem to think that comparing themselves to apes absolves them of responsibility BainsBane Feb 2014 #231

I think you're letting the animal kingdom off lightly. AZCat Feb 2014 #247

using bad behavior of another animal to justify bad behavior in humans boston bean Feb 2014 #259

No, making soundly supported arguments is the meta-topic. AZCat Feb 2014 #265

Well, it's false to think that it's womens destiny to be treated like and ape. boston bean Feb 2014 #266

I think you're missing the point. AZCat Feb 2014 #288

You are totally missing the point. boston bean Feb 2014 #331

Well, your OP wasn't very clear. AZCat Feb 2014 #341

My OP wasn't clear. here let me re-post it for you boston bean Feb 2014 #345

Yeah, reiteration doesn't make it any better. AZCat Feb 2014 #350

It wasn't a re-iteration, it was a copy and paste. boston bean Feb 2014 #352

That's an interesting tangential argument. AZCat Feb 2014 #359

Because I am a human and I am not a modern day ape. boston bean Feb 2014 #362

That is incorrect, as has been pointed out multiple times in this thread. AZCat Feb 2014 #369

Oh my dear god. Can you please address the point I am making? boston bean Feb 2014 #371

Again, that is incorrect (at least as far as science is concerned). AZCat Feb 2014 #377

I doesn't really matter to me the evolution of whether we are classified as an ape or not. boston bean Feb 2014 #382

I think you've missed some critical parts of my posts. AZCat Feb 2014 #394

Yeah, well there's even more of that bad behavior going on kcr Feb 2014 #606

I'm not sure why this is relevant. AZCat Feb 2014 #623

Why am I not surprised kcr Feb 2014 #625

I'm not sure why you're not surprised. AZCat Feb 2014 #627

This is fun. Emotion versus knowledge. Heart versus mind. joeglow3 Feb 2014 #395

You do know that there are only a few WhiteTara Feb 2014 #182

That isn't what she said ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #216

oh me-e-e, i want to be like you-u-u.... Cofitachequi Feb 2014 #184

Is that you, mrs garrison? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #195

Of course we are like bonobos. rrneck Feb 2014 #208

easy peasy Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #260

Hell, I don't even know what it's about. rrneck Feb 2014 #334

agreed, a link would have been helpful. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #339

women are apes arely staircase Feb 2014 #211

Missing the point. re-read the thread. read the OP. boston bean Feb 2014 #223

nobody is comparing women to apes. women literally ARE apes. arely staircase Feb 2014 #235

I'm sorry, but you don't go telling black people boston bean Feb 2014 #237

black people are apes arely staircase Feb 2014 #248

Oh, so you do call black people apes in the context boston bean Feb 2014 #255

if I am discussing evolutionary biology with one arely staircase Feb 2014 #268

This discussion it not primarily about evolution. boston bean Feb 2014 #271

More anti-science woo mathematic Feb 2014 #225

This has noithing to do with evolution BainsBane Feb 2014 #238

No but it helps to explain why men like the looks of asses so much. Bonobo Feb 2014 #251

And men have no reason to understand why many boston bean Feb 2014 #262

You don't make much sense. Bonobo Feb 2014 #270

I'm not going to accept because bonobo's like ass boston bean Feb 2014 #276

Showing an ass= YOU being FORCED into being treated ONLY as a piece of ass? Bonobo Feb 2014 #284

Well, I guess you don't think I have any autonomy. boston bean Feb 2014 #285

what is wrong is assigning it to evo psych so you are all powerful in your sexuality and womens seabeyond Feb 2014 #289

this makes no sense, there is wide diversity in what physical attributes attract different men. bettyellen Feb 2014 #360

another fail of evo psych. of course those that preach it would assert that the reason. conditioned seabeyond Feb 2014 #274

Wonder why most women don't DISPLAY their asses.... PassingFair Feb 2014 #498

intelligent people are sounding like creationists on this thread arely staircase Feb 2014 #239

Hey, we've got guys giving the Todd Akin view of "rape" vs. "forcible rape" BainsBane Feb 2014 #249

and those guys are apes. Akin is an ape. Einstein was an ape. RW conservative women are apes arely staircase Feb 2014 #258

So fucking what? BainsBane Feb 2014 #261

so people repeatedly saying we aren't are fucking wrong arely staircase Feb 2014 #272

It has nothing to do with creationism or evolution BainsBane Feb 2014 #280

I get what the op is trying to say arely staircase Feb 2014 #292

no. she is arguing bonobos OP that if you do not believe in evo psych, you do not believe in seabeyond Feb 2014 #310

Nevermind the idea that looking at magazines serves no biological purpose BainsBane Feb 2014 #353

They are not denying a basic scientific fact. kcr Feb 2014 #315

"people are not apes, they just aren't" arely staircase Feb 2014 #329

Are you even aware of what the context of this discussion is? kcr Feb 2014 #333

i have not said shit about where we come from. i repeatedly talk the issue about men using evo psyc seabeyond Feb 2014 #300

smart people. genuinely smart people arely staircase Feb 2014 #318

i did not say shit where we came from so do not say i did. this is about bonobos thread telling as seabeyond Feb 2014 #326

And some people are sounding like right wing misogynist apologists kcr Feb 2014 #256

we didn't evolve from apes. we are apes. arely staircase Feb 2014 #277

We are primates, classified as great apes kcr Feb 2014 #303

I haven't used that term to degrade anyone arely staircase Feb 2014 #320

No, but you sure are defending those who are kcr Feb 2014 #322

bullshit arely staircase Feb 2014 #324

Here in this thread kcr Feb 2014 #328

then you are not paying attention. it is a whole fuckin cult. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #330

+1 LittleBlue Feb 2014 #361

I'm really quite disappointed. AZCat Feb 2014 #374

I cannot fathom why a group would want to appear this ignorant LittleBlue Feb 2014 #385

Actually,it's more an argument against using sufrommich Feb 2014 #246

You're absolutely right. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #287

which are supposedly noted for their use of tools, language and capacity for abstract thought arely staircase Feb 2014 #297

We're all a bunch of damn dirty apes! Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #309

So what the hell happened in this thread...? Agschmid Feb 2014 #233

The ape-ocalypse. Orrex Feb 2014 #263

you win nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #281

Heh. +1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #349

Looks as though some didn't take any biological anthropology courses. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #295

No kidding. Agschmid Feb 2014 #363

For your edification: RC Feb 2014 #250

Your tree is out of date BainsBane Feb 2014 #267

No my tree is not out of date. I said we all descended from the same root stock. RC Feb 2014 #313

Um ... dawg Feb 2014 #293

Oh that's awesome! AZCat Feb 2014 #296

And merfolk! :) n/t Silent3 Feb 2014 #305

I know. I included that for some fun, to see if anyone was paying attention. RC Feb 2014 #319

This would be really embarrassing pintobean Feb 2014 #264

This is thread is awesome, but it needs a soundtrack. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #298

This message was self-deleted by its author liberalmuse Feb 2014 #304

Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch the stupid is thick in this thread. MadrasT Feb 2014 #306

Am I the only one who hasn't seen a link to the post which has so knotted undergarments? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #316

This message was self-deleted by its author liberalmuse Feb 2014 #323

Recommended! AuntPatsy Feb 2014 #338

^^This^^^ +++++ hlthe2b Feb 2014 #343

Excellent! BainsBane Feb 2014 #346

My takeaway: lots of guys are defending the idea that humans are, sexually, just like apes. Squinch Feb 2014 #368

Not just sexually. Fundamentally. Orrex Feb 2014 #389

The OP, as everyone responding in this thread is aware, specified that the poster did not like Squinch Feb 2014 #413

Being an ape, everything that you do is done as an ape does it. Orrex Feb 2014 #420

Yeah, I figured you would persist in that nonsense, so before I read your Squinch Feb 2014 #425

The OP claimed that she doesn't like being compared to an ape Orrex Feb 2014 #436

"If the original assertion had been that she doesn't like being compared to a bonobo, Squinch Feb 2014 #441

Nothing about the OP was threatening. Orrex Feb 2014 #443

Exactly my point. AZCat Feb 2014 #502

Oh thank god ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #387

Let's clarify the context of this thread BainsBane Feb 2014 #317

Some just have a hard time handling the truth.... AuntPatsy Feb 2014 #342

What truth is that? BainsBane Feb 2014 #348

This thread is friggin' hilarious! quinnox Feb 2014 #336

It is and it isn't, and that's the simple truth...proof that we have not fully evolved...kind of sad AuntPatsy Feb 2014 #347

Good to see the meta forum is back mokawanis Feb 2014 #357

From my point of view Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #364

Dear OP LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #370

I'm sorry for not being as eloquent as some believe I should be. boston bean Feb 2014 #373

I've tried to make this point several times (likely not as well). AZCat Feb 2014 #379

I've tried several times ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #416

IT doesn't matter kcr Feb 2014 #383

Actually I do get it LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #418

Then what is coming into the thread and arguing with her saying "We are apes!" doing? kcr Feb 2014 #422

Probably defending other issues we also care about LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #602

But no one is denying a scientific fact. This isn't an anti-evolution thread. kcr Feb 2014 #603

This is proving fruitless LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #613

And your attempt to explain is falling flatter than a pancake kcr Feb 2014 #620

Well even the best reply will fall flat when the other person won't listen. LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #640

There seem to be a number of similar sub-threads going on in this thread. AZCat Feb 2014 #642

I have noticed. LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #645

No proof offered? kcr Feb 2014 #643

Proving the sky is blue LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #646

That's what I thought. Goodnight! kcr Feb 2014 #649

Very well said. I would also add using sufrommich Feb 2014 #428

It was also used to treat boston bean Feb 2014 #445

There are benefits to living on the West Coast. Like sleeping through this whole train wreck. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #375

And all men are "ass men", LOL. bettyellen Feb 2014 #376

I don't either, but the fact is we are apes... Deep13 Feb 2014 #381

So you think women should accept boston bean Feb 2014 #388

Pretty sure I never said that. nt Deep13 Feb 2014 #390

I asked a question. because I'm damned tired of boston bean Feb 2014 #392

The feminists on DU are anti-evolution! kcr Feb 2014 #393

The feminists on DU would be better served (in my opinion)... AZCat Feb 2014 #396

Some people would be better served not twisting what others say kcr Feb 2014 #400

I think it's quite clear. AZCat Feb 2014 #460

Are we in a thread about creationists vs evolutionists? kcr Feb 2014 #465

Does that mean you can employ whatever arguments you wish in support of your cause... AZCat Feb 2014 #469

Of course not. kcr Feb 2014 #472

No, it's quite explicit. AZCat Feb 2014 #480

No, I don't think so. kcr Feb 2014 #481

I think we're going to have to disagree. AZCat Feb 2014 #484

You do that. Stick with that stance! kcr Feb 2014 #488

A matter of semantics taken to the extreme. boston bean Feb 2014 #401

It is not a matter of semantics. AZCat Feb 2014 #464

right.... boston bean Feb 2014 #471

You're an ape, no semantics required. AZCat Feb 2014 #476

really? boston bean Feb 2014 #503

I think that applies more appropriately to your posts rather than mine. AZCat Feb 2014 #508

Well, excuse me for not being ms. evolutionary perfect. boston bean Feb 2014 #513

You might think we're being pedantic (and we are)... AZCat Feb 2014 #521

I'm not belittling anything. boston bean Feb 2014 #523

That is also a false claim and you are justified (IMO) in feeling insulted. AZCat Feb 2014 #526

The claim that I am not an ape? boston bean Feb 2014 #536

No, the claim that you are " an anti evolutionary right wing religious nut bag." AZCat Feb 2014 #540

And in the context of the OP boston bean Feb 2014 #559

I'm not sure what ball you're trying to move forward. AZCat Feb 2014 #562

right, that is what I was trying to do. Yet I am still bombarded boston bean Feb 2014 #564

I guess we all have been schooled boston bean Feb 2014 #397

It's amusing how indignant and defensive they are kcr Feb 2014 #404

Almost as if we are deeply invested in pro-science causes. AZCat Feb 2014 #468

I wonder why it is that suddenly so many deeply invested in pro-science causes kcr Feb 2014 #470

I don't think I agree with your conclusion that we are failures when it comes to context. AZCat Feb 2014 #473

Oh, is that what they're doing? kcr Feb 2014 #474

I'm not sure why you think it's degrading. AZCat Feb 2014 #482

Oh, so you call people apes all the time then? kcr Feb 2014 #527

About as much as I call them "mammals". AZCat Feb 2014 #531

Really? In your every day interaction with people? kcr Feb 2014 #534

Pretty much the same frequency. AZCat Feb 2014 #541

No. I think people are playing games when they make wild, highly improbable claims kcr Feb 2014 #543

I think that's called an argument from incredulity. AZCat Feb 2014 #545

Oh, okay. No more benefit of the doubt. kcr Feb 2014 #549

<sigh> AZCat Feb 2014 #550

Well, of course not. You randomly call people that name. kcr Feb 2014 #551

Nobody seems to ever be offended. AZCat Feb 2014 #552

Right! kcr Feb 2014 #556

I'm not sure, which is why I asked. AZCat Feb 2014 #558

I don't know. I have never known or seen anyone else who does this. kcr Feb 2014 #561

Not in my experience. AZCat Feb 2014 #563

The response I don't expect to see on a progressive board boston bean Feb 2014 #475

Yep. Science means you have to accept being treated like garbage kcr Feb 2014 #478

You should be rejecting that argument whenever you see it. AZCat Feb 2014 #490

Absolutely, I do reject anti-evolution and creationist arguments. kcr Feb 2014 #494

Where have you seen me support degrading human beings? AZCat Feb 2014 #496

It's obvious you're rationalizing it kcr Feb 2014 #519

No, that's not what is happening. AZCat Feb 2014 #524

No, but I can interpret based on what I see. kcr Feb 2014 #525

Ahh, yes - because I haven't been convinced by your arguments in this thread... AZCat Feb 2014 #529

Well, it shouldn't be too hard to convince a person that calling people apes kcr Feb 2014 #539

Why is that? AZCat Feb 2014 #542

Okay. But are you talking to anti-science creationist nutjobs now? Noooooooooo! kcr Feb 2014 #546

I'm not qualified to determine if I suffer from a rare neurological or personality disorder. AZCat Feb 2014 #548

Hey kcr Feb 2014 #553

You aren't expected to have a catalog of my posts memorized... (that'd be ridiculous!) AZCat Feb 2014 #554

Uh. What are you talking about ? n/t kcr Feb 2014 #557

The part of my post you excerpted... AZCat Feb 2014 #560

I don't expect to see it either. AZCat Feb 2014 #487

Well, take it from me, the OP. boston bean Feb 2014 #489

I don't know, I think there was some value. AZCat Feb 2014 #493

Go, you. kcr Feb 2014 #492

Well, no, they're not like apes. They ARE apes. AZCat Feb 2014 #495

Oh, my gawd... Do you honestly not see that you are not in an evolution debate!? kcr Feb 2014 #500

Except the OP. AZCat Feb 2014 #501

Okay, I give up. kcr Feb 2014 #504

games. that simple. dont play kcr. beyond absurd. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #506

I believe you intended to reply to kcr, not me. AZCat Feb 2014 #512

I saw it, and she was right. kcr Feb 2014 #532

I think you associate much more with the word "ape" than I do. AZCat Feb 2014 #537

I do not find the word pejorative kcr Feb 2014 #566

I'm sorry that bringing facts into an argument is viewed as a detraction. AZCat Feb 2014 #622

That context should be ignored when it has nothing to do at all with what's being talked about kcr Feb 2014 #624

I don't agree with that at all. AZCat Feb 2014 #626

No, I'm not arguing that kcr Feb 2014 #628

Well that's what your post says. AZCat Feb 2014 #629

Another explanation kcr Feb 2014 #630

And the cases where you've misinterpreted my meaning? AZCat Feb 2014 #632

If I've misinterpreted anytthing, feel free to point it out. kcr Feb 2014 #634

I have. Multiple times. AZCat Feb 2014 #635

Oh. Yeah, the you call everyone apes thing. kcr Feb 2014 #637

Hmm no, that's not part of the set I was thinking of. n/t AZCat Feb 2014 #638

everyone knows what BB was saying and referring to. the jury that did not participate knew seabeyond Feb 2014 #507

Maybe it would be good for you to list "the feminists on DU" lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #406

I think your list would be more interesting. boston bean Feb 2014 #407

I think it should be the ones who get all fired up about them who do the listing kcr Feb 2014 #408

I get a laugh out of the "we" and "us" that flows so liberally in your posts. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #414

That would be because there are many posts in this thread boston bean Feb 2014 #417

You're seeing the downside of your Sisters in the Army of God(dess) approach. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #434

No, I don't think so. A subthread back and forth with you doesn't constitute a "doubling down" kcr Feb 2014 #457

I'm amused by what some people find to nitpick when they don't have an actual valid argument n/t kcr Feb 2014 #426

Flambé ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #427

Ahem...a small group of feminists on DU are anti-evolution. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #483

Try no feminists are n/t kcr Feb 2014 #486

really, could you pm me those feminists who are anti evolution? nt boston bean Feb 2014 #491

Hey boston, do me a favor...ban me the fuck from HoF. I know I've never posted msanthrope Feb 2014 #509

wow, hostile much? boston bean Feb 2014 #510

Yes..because there are posts so cringingly bad on this thread that right now, we have anti-vaxxers msanthrope Feb 2014 #516

by all means, respond with the names here. boston bean Feb 2014 #520

You need names to figure out who was stumped by 9th grade science? msanthrope Feb 2014 #530

Yes, I need the names, cause I don't know who you are talking about. boston bean Feb 2014 #567

I do not find your professed ignorance on the former credible. msanthrope Feb 2014 #583

good, i'm glad I was able to provide you a laugh. boston bean Feb 2014 #584

What the hell do you mean you have to look me up? I'm right here. I'm not msanthrope Feb 2014 #589

cannot do it. figure out why yourself. boston bean Feb 2014 #590

You guys have done bans on people for posts they've made outside that forum. Ban me. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #593

that would be untrue. go ask in ata. boston bean Feb 2014 #594

Right...I'll post, and you'll ban me but leave the post up in HoF msanthrope Feb 2014 #600

you want to be blocked boston bean Feb 2014 #601

Apparently you do give a shit who posts there...you have 45 people blocked. You apparently msanthrope Feb 2014 #605

I don't care whether YOU post in there or not. boston bean Feb 2014 #610

. one_voice Feb 2014 #587

"Evolution" = "no longer the same as originating species" MadrasT Feb 2014 #499

I had never heard that before. Deep13 Feb 2014 #409

Well, when you got some boston bean Feb 2014 #411

Isn't your objection to that view also the result of biology? Deep13 Feb 2014 #421

Of course we are all naturally occurring creatures. boston bean Feb 2014 #429

Think so? LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #438

Well, I do think that if you compared them marrying an animal boston bean Feb 2014 #439

And that was what Bonobo's OP was about, was it? LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #450

Your post was actually to goalpost shift. boston bean Feb 2014 #453

Good grief, the context is right above you! LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #455

yeah and you left out my response to you. boston bean Feb 2014 #458

There is a difference between comparing intraspecies behavior, LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #462

More accusations. I am not a troll. I am not trolling. boston bean Feb 2014 #467

we are looking at it from our human eyes today and applying. seabeyond Feb 2014 #459

Well, I don't think we can use the behavior of other species... Deep13 Feb 2014 #479

i love the last sentence. and i certainly agree with your whole post. seabeyond Feb 2014 #485

Where did this argument start? Renew Deal Feb 2014 #570

Here: LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #592

Nah, I'll take the blame. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #596

Apes are smarter My Good Babushka Feb 2014 #386

... rrneck Feb 2014 #398

I would never pipi_k Feb 2014 #405

... ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #431

I'm so stealing that. sufrommich Feb 2014 #432

Just dropping in to say I went straight from the OP to here without reading a single post. rug Feb 2014 #477

boston, have you taken one on the bean? Loaded Liberal Dem Feb 2014 #535

Well, I wouldn't mind rabbits. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #544

Stupidest thread ever. mimi85 Feb 2014 #577

Where on DU did this comparison come from? yuiyoshida Feb 2014 #585

here seabeyond Feb 2014 #588

It seems the contention falls under evolutionary biology, not Evo psych stevenleser Feb 2014 #595

Nope, this is straight up evolutionary psychology kcr Feb 2014 #608

no it's not straight up evolutionary psychology RainDog Feb 2014 #619

Yes, it is kcr Feb 2014 #621

He said that humans are animals RainDog Feb 2014 #631

He's not just saying women are animals kcr Feb 2014 #633

"THen why are you participating in this one?" RainDog Feb 2014 #636

Okay kcr Feb 2014 #639

okay RainDog Feb 2014 #644

Oh kcr Feb 2014 #647

That's a factual statement RainDog Feb 2014 #648

Well, okay, then my statements are factual too. kcr Feb 2014 #650

LOL RainDog Feb 2014 #654

I have no idea what you're talking about regarding the poll kcr Feb 2014 #655

A DU poll RainDog Feb 2014 #656

DU is on the internet kcr Feb 2014 #657

I don't hate that group RainDog Feb 2014 #659

Some point by point kcr Feb 2014 #671

Here's your poll RainDog - 690 responses 22 recs. seaglass Feb 2014 #670

I assume you're not serious RainDog Feb 2014 #674

I was serious because I thought you were talking about content that some object to seaglass Feb 2014 #679

ah, I misunderstood too RainDog Feb 2014 #680

good post. n/t tammywammy Feb 2014 #641

This thread is severely lacking in Otto... opiate69 Feb 2014 #586

They don't understand science books either, apparently LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #597

Lol.. No doubt.. Also... opiate69 Feb 2014 #598

Oh for fucks sake deutsey Feb 2014 #599

Woman here, and I agree with your point. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #604

This message was self-deleted by its author Inkfreak Feb 2014 #607

Take Your Stinkin' Paws Off Me, You Damn Dirty Ape! WinkyDink Feb 2014 #615

This thread is a bunch of WTF neverforget Feb 2014 #651

Woman weighing in... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #653

I'd like to dedicate of one of my favorite film clips to this entire thread. edbermac Feb 2014 #658

hmm... chervilant Feb 2014 #672

Since humans ARE primates and apes ARE primates kdmorris Feb 2014 #676

I see little purpose in pretending that homo sapiens are not apes. Laelth Feb 2014 #678