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In reply to the discussion: What fueled right wingers, fathers rights, mens' rights, gun rights & teabaggers into existence? [View all]My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)141. I think there is more nuance in this short response
than in the book. I also don't see how the author of the book could possibly propose marching arm and arm to a better future after describing the offending group as angry and out of control for hundreds of pages. Being made a subject of a psychological study, to be poked at, is not going to smooth relations.
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What fueled right wingers, fathers rights, mens' rights, gun rights & teabaggers into existence? [View all]
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
OP
I believe it's mostly white right wing males that fear. In fact, if I remember correctly...
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#2
Thank you for this amazing article! I'm passing it on. (also the funny video)
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#145
"Not all white men are racist, right-wing gun nuts, but almost all racist, right-wing gun nuts are
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#143
And I'd say that the overpreponderance of those angry white males are right wing
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#9
Thanks for acknowledging "some" exceptions. And don't let the fact that there are ...
11 Bravo
Mar 2014
#295
To me (a white male) the mere fact that the majority of us support the greedy, racist GOP
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#30
Okay, then where's your brilliant solution for "solving" racism (and sexism, and homophobia)?
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#40
I guess I personally consider being "stereotyped" (as a white male) less important than
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#47
True. But given that negative stereotyping doesn't really affect my everyday life, it's not
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#50
At an ER it's called triage, at my work, it's called putting out fires...
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#83
Actually, it is illogical that you've said it's illogical. I'm not 100% sure you understand
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#114
No, she meant we can't spend all our time and energy worrying about offending those who are
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#256
Pardon me, but your point was not a point at all, and you asked no question
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#82
I've seen you do quite a bit of stereotyping, so I find it rather shocking
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#81
Not really. It's that you're using the fundies' cafeteria method of book review
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#13
Yes, I do. I have read your posts. Unless you change your ideology daily...
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#87
Kindly back up your bullshit subject line with ONE example from the book where the author
NYC_SKP
Mar 2014
#88
That wasn't directed at you (as you know), but you just can't stay away from me, can you? nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#269
No, not really. In fact, fundies provide no proof except a fairy tale book..
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#85
I gave a synopsis on a book. You're asking me to type out the book for you here?
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#94
Of course I did. Why would I be posting the book if not? Are you going to? nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#96
Everything revolves around studies and statistics. So what exactly are you talking about? nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#101
Thank you for a kind and reasoned response, and especially for advice for how to learn more.
NYC_SKP
Mar 2014
#75
Yes. This thread is fascinating. It's the same little group of angry names. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#198
The onus is on the OP author to speak in clear terms, and when called on it to edit in accordingly.
NYC_SKP
Mar 2014
#178
I haven't see you this angry since gun control was talked about after Newtown
CreekDog
Mar 2014
#236
any search of your posts and "Obama" and/or "Trayvon" or "Martin" will show that
CreekDog
Mar 2014
#255
Men can't be angry for legitimate reasons that women are often angry about also?
polly7
Mar 2014
#14
You're making a silly argument. Read the book. It covers all your questions...
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#16
Of course you won't. Anything that might threaten your world view is a threat
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#21
Please post where I said I have not read the book. I have finished reading the book.
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#190
I have completed the book. Hey, I get it that you're angry. You don't need to display it
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#197
I'm ascribing only what you have made amply clear in all your posts on this thread. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#208
Not really. Read the book. This man has spent a rather lengthy time working on this
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#17
Of course men have legitimate grievances in this society. The mistake many of them make
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#31
I'm not trying to "ramp up" anything. Just giving my opinion like you did.
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#260
I didn't know that. Perhaps with good reason. As said, "where there's smoke there's fire." nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#192
It's very well researched and written. I'm considering giving it as gifts...
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#19
Great Book. But you made up a Bigoted and Misleading OP Subject Line. And no link.
NYC_SKP
Mar 2014
#76
I strongly urge that you read it. That will clarify the following for you:
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#93
The way they are behaving as if guns were prohibited, you betcha they are.
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#26
So you deny that white American males have historically enjoyed tremendous unfair advantages?
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#41
You're kidding me, right? The very fact that you are saying this is untrue....
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#194
You're pretending that white and male was not a privilege for most of the hiistory of the U.S. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#249
It seems rather like you're saying that anyone who is both male and white cannot possibly have
Marr
Mar 2014
#33
It's not that their frustrations are illegitimate, it's that they direct them at the wrong people
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#39
Exactly. If wages were to be what it is, it wouldn't explain it or excuse it...
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#195
How did you arrive at that? You are erroneous in at least some the following:
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#110
It was. This is not. In fact, the very studies employed by the angry anti-feminist male groups...
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#209
For starters, as in AA, the most important issue is acknowledging the problem...
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#116
The only solution is for awareness that there is a change, that life will not return
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#201
If a post on a message board is the worst "bigotry" you've experienced this week - or this month -
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#37
No. Read the book. I keep getting people assuming they know the book without
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#113
When you read the book, you'll find how well researched the thing is, and the incredible number of
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#108
Indeed. The loss of the long-standing white male entitlement has given birth to rightwingerism...
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#103
Downward mobility is fucking everyone over, and we need to do something about that
eridani
Mar 2014
#58
It's not "alienation" per se. It's a loss of white male privilege and entitlement present since
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#98
Recent immigrants, from which huge swaths of the country are comprised,
My Good Babushka
Mar 2014
#123
The American caste system is changing and white right wing males are angry
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#152
The only ones exclusing themselves from society, are the angry white males
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#183
The solution is awareness of what these angry groups are doing, why they're doing it, and what
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#203
Sarah, I think a lot of it may be the loss of jobs by so many white working class men..
whathehell
Mar 2014
#140
I think it's definitely part of it. A lot of it has to do with women, blacks, gay rights, and the
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#147
How lucky! Well, to be honest, I think I must've gotten quite a few of "yours"
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#78
god, that is a depressing stat. we need to make inroads with these people and jobs would do it...
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#165
Which is one huge reason the Rs have opposed any action to create decent jobs.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Mar 2014
#282
Especially when they have a huge percentage of Americans believing that it was the Dems
Dark n Stormy Knight
Mar 2014
#284
yep, just like Christie did with the GWB- fuck up services and blame a Dem...
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#285
Gotta hand it to them, they know what works and they aren't afraid to use it.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Mar 2014
#286
I saw the same thing locally- the campaign manager for a mayoral candidate called the opponent a
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#287
That is an example of the sort of thing that causes me to lose faith in humanity.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Mar 2014
#293
That mayoral candidate tried to hire me away (I was volunteering for the other guy) and offered me
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#294
It's vast and I'm here to introduce the book, not to teach you a class on it.
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#126
The right to own firearms is a Civil Right enshrined in the Constitution (Bill of Rights).
NutmegYankee
Mar 2014
#122
I'm not discussing gun rights. This book discusses the mad popularity of gun rights now
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#124
You have not read it, but are telling others what the book is or is not about. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#204
Amen. Koch ga$$$$oline fuels the angry white male groups and propaganda
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#159
It's also an excellent explanation of what's holding us back as a country. nt
MrScorpio
Mar 2014
#146
Yes, did you notice? I have to go back over the posts and take note of who said what
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#154
Actually, what I have said is modest and mild compared to what the book touches on
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#206
I'm just someone who won't get pushed around by anyone. You don't like it, don't like it.
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#213
looks interesting, thanks. we need more men voting Dem instead of against their best interests.
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#149
Yes we do. Thank God for the awesome lib men, of every color, religion, etc. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#153
Are you saying the writer of the book did a bad thing? Then please read the book. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#182
The book itself sets out to prove that mens' rights, fathers' rights, teabag, right wing extremist
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#268
Fathers' rights groups aren't anger groups, they're parents' rights groups
TransitJohn
Mar 2014
#272
I wouldn't say that. I'd say that black fathers' groups are parent relationship improvement groups
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#273
So are you saying men's rights and fathers' rights groups are not really anti-feminist?
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#275
I asked a question which only required a yes or no response. I got no answer. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#277
The reply above yours has got to be the most racist statement I've ever seen on this board.
NYC_SKP
Mar 2014
#279
Here, I'm going to suggest the better subject line that I think you'll agree is not offensive:
NYC_SKP
Mar 2014
#189
That's not what he discusses in the book. There were Reagan Democrats, and there are currently
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#207
"watching the reaction of those in anger groups, I wonder..." I want you to read a book:
NYC_SKP
Mar 2014
#220
Indeed, they are. But the best tool from the author, however, isn't provided free of charge.
NYC_SKP
Mar 2014
#226
The book includes fathers' rights as one of the offshoots of the anti-woman themes of angry white
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#263
Yes, it makes it all come full circle. You're right Right wing fuel is at the bottom of the
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#264