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Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 12:54 PM Mar 2014

More evidence an innocent man was executed [View all]

For those of you not up on the details of Cameron Todd Willingham, please go here:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann

Short and sweet: A man was executed for committing arson that killed his children. He refused to plead guilty and was convicted based upon the testimony of "expert" arson investigators who turned out to have expertise based more on folklore than science.

As is usually the case, there was also a jailhouse snitch, who the prosecution INSISTED did not get a deal for his testimony. The evidence that this was a lie has now been revealed:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/us/evidence-of-concealed-jailhouse-deal-raises-questions-about-a-texas-execution.html?_r=2

In the 10 years since Texas executed Cameron Todd Willingham after convicting him on charges of setting his house on fire and murdering his three young daughters, family members and death penalty opponents have argued that he was innocent. Now newly discovered evidence suggests that the prosecutor in the case may have concealed a deal with a jailhouse informant whose testimony was a key part of the execution decision.

... the biggest open question has been whether Judge Jackson and Mr. Webb had made a deal. Judge Jackson, who has retired from the bench, continued to insist there was no deal, even in an interview last year.

As he worked through the stack of papers, he saw a note scrawled on the inside of the district attorney’s file folder stating that Mr. Webb’s charges were to be listed as robbery in the second degree, not the heavier first-degree robbery charge he had originally been convicted on, “based on coop in Willingham.”

Judge Jackson did not respond to several requests for comment.

How sure are we that the science being used in Texas was "flawed"?

Over the past five years, the Willingham case has been reviewed by nine of the nation's top fire scientists -- first for the Tribune, then for the Innocence Project, and now for the commission. All concluded that the original investigators relied on outdated theories and folklore to justify the determination of arson.


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2009-08-25/news/0908240429_1_cameron-todd-willingham-texas-forensic-science-commission-willingham-case

This once again brings homes the point that despite claims to the contrary INNOCENT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN EXECUTED IN THIS COUNTRY!

If people are going to insist that the need for vengeance outweighs the need for justice, then they must answer the question: How many innocent people is it OK to murder in order to satisfy the state's demand for vengeance?

Also, if we are going to have a death penalty, them we need to expand its use to include:

1) Police, prosecutors and judges whose misconduct causes the death of an innocent person.

2) Public corruption, since the abuse of power for self-enrichment should be viewed as treason.

3) Massive theft, fraud or environmental damage caused by the management of corporations since it damages the health and well being of society.

A special "fast track" due process shall be invoked if any person so charged with any of these crimes has expressed support at any time for the curtailment of the appeals process, or other safeguards against wrongful execution.

Yeah, yeah, I know, not going to happen (and shouldn't), but I am sick of these people's cavalier attitude toward other people's lives. But it would be interesting to have an "adaptive" legal system in which you are judged according to the standards you judge other people.
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I hope to see a day when the Supreme Court rules it unconstitutional closeupready Mar 2014 #1
Barring some unfortunate event, I believe you will. morningfog Mar 2014 #3
What makes you say that? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #5
Recent precedent. morningfog Mar 2014 #6
True, but the Stevens courts nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #8
Not answering for him, but what I know is even retired judge O'Connor closeupready Mar 2014 #7
Another retired justice nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #9
But the powers that be are refusing Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #26
Not likely anytime soon Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #24
Just announced today: freebrew Mar 2014 #44
Sickening. No civilized society should allow the death penalty. Very few do. Scuba Mar 2014 #2
None do Cirque du So-What Mar 2014 #10
The only bright light in this nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #4
Texas is more of a faith-based society anyway mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #11
"And I'm sure he was guilty of SOMETHING." Yep, heard that one closeupready Mar 2014 #13
According to the PBS "Frontline" that looked at this... Archae Mar 2014 #14
That's the problem Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #28
Yep, Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #22
If we're going to kill people in Afghanistan mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #31
Recommend jsr Mar 2014 #12
I have been saying for years Wolf Frankula Mar 2014 #15
The death penalty will never ever be error free. End it. marble falls Mar 2014 #16
I will say again ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #17
I could get behind that. Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #21
... but what if it's not "misconduct"? surrealAmerican Mar 2014 #42
Incompetency can rise to a level of misconduct ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #47
Prosecutors are elected officials gollygee Mar 2014 #18
Agreed. Prosecutors have too much power Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #20
They'll kill to stay in office. Iggo Mar 2014 #32
yes but I would add airplaneman Mar 2014 #36
Precisely! Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #38
It's called Texecution for good cause The Wizard Mar 2014 #19
The former governor of Illinois, George Ryan put a moratorium on the death penalty Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2014 #23
The Prosecutors should be charged with murder if they lied about the jailhouse deal. nt Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #25
Technically, in some states they can be Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #27
I remember that case and airc there was enough evidence even back then to stop that sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #29
Rick Perry said the execution didn't bother him in the slighest Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #30
Which makes this video all the more sickening... KansDem Mar 2014 #37
Here's a video posted on DU in 2011 Renew Deal Mar 2014 #33
This was covered by Frontline a few years ago Renew Deal Mar 2014 #34
In my opinion polmaven Mar 2014 #35
A good quote by John Adams... davidn3600 Mar 2014 #39
If prosecutors/judges etc can be shown to have knowingly executed an innocent man yodermon Mar 2014 #40
I just don't understand. mwooldri Mar 2014 #41
You make my point with eloquence Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #43
I'm against the death penalty, but too many in this country are not Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #45
This is the inevitable result of the death penalty. RedCappedBandit Mar 2014 #46
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