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In reply to the discussion: the idiotic attacks on Snowden show exactly how petty and pathetic those folks are [View all]struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)245. There Are 12 Million Stateless People Around The World, But Edward Snowden Isn’t One Of Them
There Are 12 Million Stateless People Around The World, But Edward Snowden Isnt One Of Them
By Hayes Brown on July 2, 2013 at 12:15 pm
... passport revocation does not qualify Snowden as stateless as claimed in his statement, as he still remains an American citizen and retains all the rights under U.S. law that status grants him. That makes him quite different from the the peoples around the world who are truly denied similar rights in the states they inhabit, even if their family has been present for generations. According to the United Nations, there are currently an estimated 12 million people around the world who actually qualify as stateless.
Being stateless means having no legal protection or rights to participate in political processes, inadequate access to social services, poor employment prospects, little opportunity to own property or travel, and few protections against trafficking, harassment, and violence, Refugees International says. The organization has documented the cases of thousands of people living within a state but legally not viewed as even existing. This status goes beyond even the treatment of many ethnic Kurds who, while not having a state to call their own, are at least recognized as citizens in many of the states they reside in.
Across the Middle East, a class of people known as bidoon also spelled bedoon, bidun, and several other Romanizations exist. Literally meaning without in Arabic, these ethnic Arabs exist in a state of limbo, particularly in Kuwait where over 100,000 of them reside. After Kuwaits independence in 1961, the descendants of people who entered the country before 1920 and lack proper documentation were declared to basically no longer exist. According to Refugees International, the bidoon are refused birth certificates, public schooling, marriage certificates, and the right to peacefully assemble within Kuwait, and many lack access to basic health care. When in 2011 the bidoon protested for equal protection under the law, the Kuwaiti government responded with force, firing rubber bullets and tear-gas at the demonstrators.
Members of the Rohingya ethnic group face similar discrimination in Myanmar, where the government stripped them of their citizenship under a 1982 law. Many within Myanmar including human rights champion Aung San Suu Kyi refuse to believe even in the concept of a Rohingya people. Instead, they believe that the Rohingya are all illegal immigrants from Bangladesh who are frequently referred to as Bengalis. The subject of targeted violence that Human Rights Watch has called ethnic cleansing, over 100,000 Rohingya and other Muslims are currently condemned to live in make-shift refugee camps after their homes were destroyed ...
By Hayes Brown on July 2, 2013 at 12:15 pm
... passport revocation does not qualify Snowden as stateless as claimed in his statement, as he still remains an American citizen and retains all the rights under U.S. law that status grants him. That makes him quite different from the the peoples around the world who are truly denied similar rights in the states they inhabit, even if their family has been present for generations. According to the United Nations, there are currently an estimated 12 million people around the world who actually qualify as stateless.
Being stateless means having no legal protection or rights to participate in political processes, inadequate access to social services, poor employment prospects, little opportunity to own property or travel, and few protections against trafficking, harassment, and violence, Refugees International says. The organization has documented the cases of thousands of people living within a state but legally not viewed as even existing. This status goes beyond even the treatment of many ethnic Kurds who, while not having a state to call their own, are at least recognized as citizens in many of the states they reside in.
Across the Middle East, a class of people known as bidoon also spelled bedoon, bidun, and several other Romanizations exist. Literally meaning without in Arabic, these ethnic Arabs exist in a state of limbo, particularly in Kuwait where over 100,000 of them reside. After Kuwaits independence in 1961, the descendants of people who entered the country before 1920 and lack proper documentation were declared to basically no longer exist. According to Refugees International, the bidoon are refused birth certificates, public schooling, marriage certificates, and the right to peacefully assemble within Kuwait, and many lack access to basic health care. When in 2011 the bidoon protested for equal protection under the law, the Kuwaiti government responded with force, firing rubber bullets and tear-gas at the demonstrators.
Members of the Rohingya ethnic group face similar discrimination in Myanmar, where the government stripped them of their citizenship under a 1982 law. Many within Myanmar including human rights champion Aung San Suu Kyi refuse to believe even in the concept of a Rohingya people. Instead, they believe that the Rohingya are all illegal immigrants from Bangladesh who are frequently referred to as Bengalis. The subject of targeted violence that Human Rights Watch has called ethnic cleansing, over 100,000 Rohingya and other Muslims are currently condemned to live in make-shift refugee camps after their homes were destroyed ...
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the idiotic attacks on Snowden show exactly how petty and pathetic those folks are [View all]
cali
Mar 2014
OP
The argument is that no one needs a multi-billion dollar data center to store metadata records.
randome
Mar 2014
#179
I'll bet you a dollar to a dime that our Meta_Data WILL indeed be stored there?
bvar22
Mar 2014
#194
Oh, come on, they will probably also store manuals and calendars and paperclips there.
randome
Mar 2014
#258
What does this have to do with metadata? You're making quite an assumption there.
randome
Mar 2014
#128
Anyone who profits from policies they have any influence over, should leave office.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#270
He and Greenwald have stated over and over...that they didn't want to expose names...
KoKo
Mar 2014
#83
I have a feeling that Snowden is not the only one who had/has serious problems with
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#272
Fuck the "only metadata" talking point. We are way past "only metadata". It was a bullshit point
GoneFishin
Mar 2014
#276
I think your real question is: "With all this info coming out...Why is our Government
KoKo
Mar 2014
#100
I can understand that...but, you didn't answer my question about what I asked you...
KoKo
Mar 2014
#164
Then that's not an "idiotic attack". There are plenty "idiotic attacks" of Snowden on DU though.
cui bono
Mar 2014
#46
Look, you either jump on the bandwagon and support Snowden wholeheartedly, without any reservation
MADem
Mar 2014
#137
If baseless smears and personal attacks against Snowden count as "conscious thought"
PoliticalPothead
Mar 2014
#166
We live in a big world. There are competing powers both inside and outside America.
CJCRANE
Mar 2014
#2
What you describe may apply to a very tiny minority of individuals who oppose NSA
Maedhros
Mar 2014
#44
Not on DU from what I've seen. I see a lot of well thought out criticisms of policy.
cui bono
Mar 2014
#145
I purposely refrain from using Obamabot, which would be the equivalent of ODS
cui bono
Mar 2014
#238
+1 They also show how creepy, dishonest, and authoritarian our current politicos have become,
woo me with science
Mar 2014
#5
I said this on another thread and will repeat herebut I truly hope if I ever do something wonderful
riderinthestorm
Mar 2014
#6
I'm beginning to think you're a piece of code that just posts links according to keywords.
Marr
Mar 2014
#10
That second sentiment sure comes full circle then. Who switched on the Obamabot?
Ed Suspicious
Mar 2014
#18
Well at least the blue links and wall of text that isn't yours seems to have lessened.
Ed Suspicious
Mar 2014
#23
I smell desperation. And your rude emoticon is unbecoming. Just sayin. nm
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#129
I think we're up to Exhibit F or G - something like that. God knows they're trying everything
riderinthestorm
Mar 2014
#89
Are you sure? We gays have plenty of rights according to you, but none are violated?
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#132
One, the attacks are meant to distract from the real issue, the unconstitutional spying.
cui bono
Mar 2014
#74
the OP is not about NSA, it's about "pathetic" DUers and their "idiotic" attacks.
treestar
Mar 2014
#84
Yes your "point" was to name call other DU'rs that don't subscribe to your beliefs...
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#118
I can see why you would say that though I have to say that all the Snowden attacks are refuted
cui bono
Mar 2014
#240
Yes because some people will alert on anyone that dares not pledge fealty to Snowden...
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#274
I loved my C64. I learned 6502 assembler on it. Miss those days actually. More geeky! n-t
Logical
Mar 2014
#139
He really has an inflated sense of self doesn't he? Not a humble bone at all it seems...
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#115
Ah the narcissist screed... Exhibit G or H I believe (losing count now) nt
riderinthestorm
Mar 2014
#117
Why would him talking about himself make people want to make "idiotic attacks" on him?
cui bono
Mar 2014
#133
majority of the stories about Snowden seem to be posted by those who fixate on the person...
LanternWaste
Mar 2014
#20
It's not only the petulant and sub-literate who confuse concern with outrage...?
LanternWaste
Mar 2014
#47
Attacks on Snowden, Manning, Assange et al. serve only to provide cover for the criminals
Maedhros
Mar 2014
#104
I agree. If you put yourself in the public eye, you are subject to criticism. This was his choice
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#81
Somebody put you on ignore for this. And folks here call Obama supporters "swooners"
Number23
Mar 2014
#225
IMO it can be explained by a politically naive, and intellectually lazy, replacement mechanism
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#121
Well put. I think Orwell would call these kinds of belief systems Positive and Negative Nationalism
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#140
The goal, of requiring our thinking be based upon actual facts, is to understand the world
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#199
You all are the ones who perpetually derail any convo about NSA spying with Snowden attacks
riderinthestorm
Mar 2014
#202
The coworkers were employees of a contractor, and, yes, it is a problem
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#182
Speaking of facts... you all seem to conveniently ignore this over and over and over
riderinthestorm
Mar 2014
#203
That's an interesting story. But, in fact, it undermines itself somewhat by simultaneously claiming
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#205
And this same group attacks Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning repeatedly, the very same way.
Zorra
Mar 2014
#95
And this same group defends every corporate outrage coming out of this administration.
woo me with science
Mar 2014
#105
Snowden, the individual, appears to have committed a crime and belongs in jail.
Maedhros
Mar 2014
#171
Yeah, and Obama violated his oath to defend the constitution by allowing this and asking for
cui bono
Mar 2014
#239
This just in. This just in. You don't have to be at SXSW to tweet a question.
DesMoinesDem
Mar 2014
#154
You mean NSA apologists exist outside of DU?? I never would have guessed that.
DesMoinesDem
Mar 2014
#160
Is it possible to simultaneously think that Snowden is a borderline narcissist
War Horse
Mar 2014
#148
I have always sailed through confrontations and misconceptions by staying calm and being forthright.
randome
Mar 2014
#259
It isn't privilege. It's looking at things rationally and staying calm, no matter what.
randome
Mar 2014
#300
Anyone who can be that smug about blowing off the possiblility that a potential employer--
eridani
Mar 2014
#310
I still wouldn't call it 'privilege' but, yes, I don't have the same experience as everyone else.
randome
Mar 2014
#311
I would never accept a Christmas present delivered by a mailman who has a messy garage
jsr
Mar 2014
#192
I'm sure if Snowden had used the Whistleblower Protection Act he'd be just fine and dandy.
L0oniX
Mar 2014
#195
AND WORSE THAN THAT!!! He publicly attacked the policies of a Democratic administration! That will
Douglas Carpenter
Mar 2014
#209
The OP wasn't about providing evidence. It has been provided 1000 times already.
cui bono
Mar 2014
#243
But, but, but...he's a libertarian!!!1!! Rand Paul likes him!!! He broke the law...to expose people
AllyCat
Mar 2014
#191
There Are 12 Million Stateless People Around The World, But Edward Snowden Isn’t One Of Them
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#245
"the idiotic attacks on Snowden show exactly how petty and pathetic those folks are".. that shows
Cha
Mar 2014
#230