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58. So, they could have voted to remain independent of either Russia or Ukraine, and if there was no

Sun Mar 16, 2014, 03:05 PM

Mar 2014

option to remain part of Ukraine, they could have refrained from voting. If a majority of the people refrained from voting at all, then protested that they wanted that option, that would suffice to show that is what the people wanted.

Re Ukraine not having an election, it is relevant to Crimea if the people of Crimea fear 'that lot' enough to have voted either for independence or for becoming part of Russia. Perhaps if they had had an election, that might not have been an issue at all. Apparently it WAS fear of the current Kiev government that prompted the request for help from Crimeans. Can't say I blame them. It was stupid not to have an election right away. They might have avoided all this if Crimeans had been satisfied they had no reason to fear Kiev's government.

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Do you believe that Putin's invasion of Ukraine was justified? [View all] ProSense Mar 2014 OP

... Rex Mar 2014 #1

LOL! n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #2

Oh noes! Pros poll is not going the way he wants it to! Rex Mar 2014 #5

Laughter? Fear of exposure? ProSense Mar 2014 #8

Russia invaded Ukraine? When? I don't watch the Corporate media so it's possible I missed it. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #11

He has a sadz, got called out for hippie punching on DU...so now there is a poll Rex Mar 2014 #15

A Sadz? sharp_stick Mar 2014 #18

Girls? Only girls act silly? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #30

Oh noes you are getting hit with the links of desperation now! Rex Mar 2014 #41

Oh my! ProSense Mar 2014 #29

Here you go ProSense Mar 2014 #35

Crimea is an autonomous part of Ukraine, given to them by Kruschev without a referendum from the sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #42

What does that have to do with Putin's invasion? n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #46

What does any of it have to do with us? Why are we sending so much money there when we are sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #49

Nice try at deflecting from Putin's invasion. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #56

Sophistry... NervousRex Mar 2014 #205

Well at least you haven't tried to deny that fact. I'm amazed that there are people here trying to sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #105

Chechnya. Igel Mar 2014 #48

Well, then explain it to us ignorant morans. The Crimeans asked for help from Russia, Russian troops sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #50

Explanation: autonomous regions cannot invite in foreign powers muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #161

I see. So the unelected government in Ukraine has rights an elected government sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #173

The Ukrainian and Crimean parliaments are still the people elected at their last elections muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #175

What's forcing me is that our tax dollars are being spent over there while we are told sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #188

The presidential election would have been in 2015 muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #189

I was just told that the May election will only be for the Presidency. That's not going sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #193

The parliament still has the same representatives in muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #195

That's really for the people to decide, isn't it? How do YOU know how those who elected sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #196

Yanukovych was removed because of his use of violence against protesters muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #197

You are speaking for tens of millions of people. I don't give much credence to sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #198

yeah that totally isn't the Kremlin/rt line nt arely staircase Mar 2014 #101

What are you saying? Are you contradicting the fact that Crimea is and has been autonomous since it sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #104

the Kremlin is changing things alright arely staircase Mar 2014 #107

Lol, Crimea is autonomous. That is just a fact. Now they have voted to be part of Russia. One of the sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #134

hell yeah arely staircase Mar 2014 #136

Not occupied no matter how often you say it. Looks like the world is accepting Crimea's decision, so sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #139

Oh I might just hold out...I don't want to see you with a total sadz. Rex Mar 2014 #12

Hell no! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #3

No treestar Mar 2014 #4

yes. there is a right way and a wrong way to do things nt arely staircase Mar 2014 #6

Oh, it is necessary... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #71

Kick functioning_cog Mar 2014 #7

Like the Tatars in Crimea, putinistas are boycotting functioning_cog Mar 2014 #9

... Rex Mar 2014 #17

He didn't invade the Ukraine. reformist2 Mar 2014 #10

Crimea is Ukraine. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #14

I thought I missed something, thanks, I didn't think so. Faux is probably claiming sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #16

Well they tried the Saddam is a Bad Man canard. Didn't work out so well. Rex Mar 2014 #20

Yeah, you "missed" the invasion. ProSense Mar 2014 #24

Well, when did it happen? I did miss it, obviously! sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #34

Crimea is Ukrainian territory. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #28

Crimea is the only autonomous part of Ukraine, which means it is up to the Crimean people whether or sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #43

How do you make decisions when they won't let you have the option to remain in Ukraine? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #44

What do you mean you don't have the option? If you want to remain in Ukraine, then don't vote sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #52

the option was not on the ballot. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #54

So, they could have voted to remain independent of either Russia or Ukraine, and if there was no sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #58

If they wanted a legit election then they would have added the option. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #60

Ukraine has had no election at all. Does that bother too? We have no idea what the Ukrainian people sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #96

Yes considering there are reports that there are some unsavory characters in charge now. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #97

Neo Nazis are evil and seeing that it is no surprise that the people of Crimea sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #98

So we shoukd just be quiet and mind our own business? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #99

We ARE being quiet and minding our own business about a whole lot worse situations around the world. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #100

I am not asking the goverment to police the world. But if Putin thinks he can do this all hrmjustin Mar 2014 #102

seems like the whole affair needs a do-over from pre-coup on. how about elections with fresh faces? Adam051188 Mar 2014 #127

That is up for the people of Ukraine to decide. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #129

i hope so. Adam051188 Mar 2014 #131

that is of course assuming that we need to be involved at all Adam051188 Mar 2014 #132

Putin has and had no intention of invading Ukraine. You have forgotten what happened there. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #137

You think that Putin won't go after the rest of Ukraine? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #140

No I do not think he will be that stupid. I'm more worried about the government they have now and sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #142

I hope your right on both counts. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #143

Putin had no intention of invading sabbat hunter Mar 2014 #190

How would you describe the current unelected government in Ukraine? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #192

abput the same as the old one sabbat hunter Mar 2014 #199

So it's a Western Puppet rather than an Eastern Puppet. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #203

I think with a pro-western ruler sabbat hunter Mar 2014 #206

Are you serious about Argentina? Seriously, have you studied what happened to Argentina sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #208

in greece sabbat hunter Mar 2014 #211

You are going to get nothing but double speak from that one davidpdx Mar 2014 #156

I respect her. She gives her argument. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #171

you are a much better person than I could ever hope to be dlwickham Mar 2014 #147

I respect her. She gives her argument. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #150

When Putin takes Eastern Ukraine, I hope that respect is lost. joshcryer Mar 2014 #160

That is adorable... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #167

Sanctions against the oligarchs. joshcryer Mar 2014 #169

the ones in Russia? sabbat hunter Mar 2014 #200

Hardly, no big names. joshcryer Mar 2014 #202

I guess you haven't seen sabbat hunter Mar 2014 #207

This was a referendum. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #95

not exactly...the 1992 option kept them as an autonomous part of the Ukraine magical thyme Mar 2014 #103

Well they know the percentages of voters. The Guardian reported that 20% did hold sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #154

They did....they had two options...1) to stay with Ukraine with some autonomy or snappyturtle Mar 2014 #111

Was that clear on the ballot? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #113

I am searching for video proof now! I heard that and I'm trying to sort out snappyturtle Mar 2014 #114

cnn said it was merky. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #115

I couldn't find m original source however this morning I found the snappyturtle Mar 2014 #155

Thanks for looking. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #170

That's what I so often think of referendums written in the negative! snappyturtle Mar 2014 #172

The whole thing is a mess and I fear that this will hurt us all in the end. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #174

Even if you didn't consider it Ukrainian, Putin has taken two towns in Ukraine. joshcryer Mar 2014 #89

Thats true. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #91

The irony of that will be lost on the pro-Russian pro-invasion people davidpdx Mar 2014 #157

It's why the Putinists have yet to vote. joshcryer Mar 2014 #159

LOL davidpdx Mar 2014 #163

Really? ProSense Mar 2014 #21

And you are not dumb functioning_cog Mar 2014 #22

.. Cha Mar 2014 #135

Ummmm, yeah ... he did. But the ignorance inherent in your comment is ... 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #23

Yea! RT says they were greeted as liberators!! (nt) jeff47 Mar 2014 #31

They were, by some. Igel Mar 2014 #51

It's Ukraine, not THE Ukraine... Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #65

Actually, he has two towns outside of Crimea. joshcryer Mar 2014 #88

+1 grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #212

23 Putinistas-in-hiding! Scootaloo Mar 2014 #13

I took out my pompoms and everything, haven't used them since I was cheerleading Saddam! sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #19

LOL! Cheer: Down with Bush! Up with Putin! ProSense Mar 2014 #26

Would you like to borrow my pom poms? Someone told me to get them out, so I did. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #210

That long? I had 'em out when I was cheering for Assad! Scootaloo Mar 2014 #53

Lol, I missed the call for Assad! sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #55

I didn't think Gaddafi needed 'em Scootaloo Mar 2014 #57

True, he certainly had quite a wardrobe! sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #62

I missed you at last month's PolPotLuck dinner. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #209

Lol, Pol Pot, our favorite Dictator, and I missed it? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #213

This message was self-deleted by its author Rex Mar 2014 #25

Impossible! ProSense Mar 2014 #27

Might I suggest... Scootaloo Mar 2014 #93

Nope, not a fan of group think. ProSense Mar 2014 #94

It is unlikely they will vote. joshcryer Mar 2014 #87

And there's the conspiracy theorist logic! Welcome to the thread, CT Logic! Scootaloo Mar 2014 #90

That was a factual observation. joshcryer Mar 2014 #92

K&R for pissing off all the RIGHT people! Rex Mar 2014 #32

Thanks. I'll put this here ProSense Mar 2014 #36

Yes you do seem very nervous. Why is that? Rex Mar 2014 #37

. ProSense Mar 2014 #38

I know, you will be okay. I LOVE this poll BTW! Rex Mar 2014 #39

I wonder if there's any corrolation between the Putin-lovers and the Snowden-lovers? baldguy Mar 2014 #33

Or the Saddam lovers? n/t sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #45

There is, want to know what they have in common davidpdx Mar 2014 #158

Nope TomClash Mar 2014 #40

Apparently, the people of Crimea do. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #47

Right, ProSense Mar 2014 #61

They're voting over 70% in favor of alignment with Russia. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #64

Oh, ProSense Mar 2014 #67

Voting at gunpoint? They're being forced to the polls? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #69

Yes - they were forced at gunpoint to the polls and told how to vote. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #73

That's ProSense Mar 2014 #76

You misread dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #78

It's all illegal and controlled by Russia ProSense Mar 2014 #83

The highest turnout I see is 44%. joshcryer Mar 2014 #84

Guardian is quoting over 80% dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #85

I found it, here's the exact quote: joshcryer Mar 2014 #86

What happened to the 23% in an unbiased poll? seattledo Mar 2014 #141

I'm sure it would've gone for Russia either way. joshcryer Mar 2014 #151

If the U.S. did something like this... Adrahil Mar 2014 #164

The actual People of Crimea were ethnically cleansed by Stalin 70 years ago Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #74

Tell it to Andrew Jackson and the Cherokees. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #75

he's dead nt arely staircase Mar 2014 #79

So is Joe Stalin. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #176

Thank you, Tuquoque_y_Libertad. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #82

Yeah, because that makes it OK if other people do it? Adrahil Mar 2014 #165

Fly Paper Poll bahrbearian Mar 2014 #59

Why? ProSense Mar 2014 #63

Conniving OP... RedFury Mar 2014 #66

More ProSense Mar 2014 #68

They already had ports on Mediterranean. And securing the port city functioning_cog Mar 2014 #138

I have been hearing people moan awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #70

"I cannot see it in this poll." ProSense Mar 2014 #72

They have so far not voted in it. joshcryer Mar 2014 #80

I'll pass -here's why . . . JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #77

Crimea wasn't the only vote boycotted today. joshcryer Mar 2014 #81

Simply put.....FUCK no. n/t AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #106

What invasion of Ukraine are you talking about? rdharma Mar 2014 #108

The one ProSense Mar 2014 #109

Results of referendum are in..... rdharma Mar 2014 #110

LOL! ProSense Mar 2014 #112

Something tells me you are still fighting the cold war. rdharma Mar 2014 #117

Yeah, ProSense Mar 2014 #119

Like I said..... the RW putsch lost! rdharma Mar 2014 #120

Like I said...denial. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #121

Facts! nt rdharma Mar 2014 #122

There are more than two choices. jeff47 Mar 2014 #128

No, one RW putsch lost. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #130

“The referendum itself doesn’t mean anything,” she added" Cha Mar 2014 #145

Right or wrong, Putin gonna Putin. PorridgeGun Mar 2014 #116

No. What's the Administration going to do about it? rug Mar 2014 #118

5 vs 125. Rex Mar 2014 #123

Now: 5 vs 128 ProSense Mar 2014 #124

It proves the total nonsense from that other thread. Rex Mar 2014 #125

Did you vote in the poll? stevenleser Mar 2014 #126

I don't participate in propaganda, I leave that to you. Rex Mar 2014 #180

At least three of the most pro-Russian folks I've noted from discussions haven't voted. stevenleser Mar 2014 #133

Well go get those commies! Maybe you can take the ghost of McCarthy with you! Rex Mar 2014 #181

Commies? Once again, you keep using that word... stevenleser Mar 2014 #182

Well that is the first time I used it here, but I wouldn't expect you Rex Mar 2014 #184

who are the 6 tools that voted yes dlwickham Mar 2014 #144

Here for all the world to see.. it says "show user names".. Cha Mar 2014 #146

it's been a long day for me dlwickham Mar 2014 #148

.. Cha Mar 2014 #149

There are at least three more stridently pro-Putin/Russia folks who haven't voted. stevenleser Mar 2014 #185

How on Earth could any DUer vote "yes"? nt Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #152

I voted no but the rhetoric from both Fox News and the State Department is really dumb. /nt Ash_F Mar 2014 #153

Frankly, I don't lose sleep over Ukraine. B Calm Mar 2014 #162

no one lost sleep over the sudetenland either. mgcgulfcoast Mar 2014 #166

I do lose sleep over our wasteful spending trying to police the world, B Calm Mar 2014 #168

We currently have an OP with 49 recs that says it was. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #177

There is a bizarre ProSense Mar 2014 #179

Cognitive dissonance is cognativey. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #183

Nice find. joshcryer Mar 2014 #201

Not at all. That said I see very little to do about it and Putin's pretexts are closer to making TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #178

Wow, who knew this poll would prove a small group of radicals on DU Rex Mar 2014 #186

Wheres the hell no option? William769 Mar 2014 #187

The Putin Seven may not be aware of the "Show Usernames" feature. KamaAina Mar 2014 #191

Is it an invasion when you are invited? TBF Mar 2014 #194

I'll give you a dumb answer to a dumb question. Yes demosincebirth Mar 2014 #204