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Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
43. I wish I could rec YOUR post as well.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:09 PM
Mar 2014

We are on our way. IT will not happen right away but this was a very big step forward. I wrote this last November at my personal blog.

For supporters of single payer it would be natural to ask the question, why not every state? Why not just go all-in with Medicare For All? Why not a system like Canada? I know that I personally have asked those questions myself. Canada can actually give us good answers as to why we as a nation simply cannot just flip to single payer. That country's current health system didn't happen overnight. It didn't happen in a year or even a decade, arguably it's evolved for over a century. It'd been evolving for decades until it was signed into as the Canada Health Act of 1984. The true beginning to Canada's health care system began with a single state -- or province.

It was not until 1946 that the first Canadian province introduced near universal health coverage. Saskatchewan had long suffered a shortage of doctors, leading to the creation of municipal doctor programs in the early twentieth century in which a town would subsidize a doctor to practice there. Soon after, groups of communities joined to open union hospitals under a similar model. There had thus been a long history of government involvement in Saskatchewan health care, and a significant section of it was already controlled and paid for by the government. In 1946, the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation government in Saskatchewan passed the Saskatchewan Hospitalization Act, which guaranteed free hospital care for much of the population. Tommy Douglas had hoped to provide universal health care, but the province did not have the money.


Alberta followed soon after, providing the foundation that is the Canada Health Act. Much like Saskatchewan and Alberta, it appears that Vermont is leading the way towards universal coverage. I still believe that we can achieve something like single payer in the United States, but it simply cannot happen by scrapping what we have in this nation. That means including and understanding what was in place before the passage of the ACA. Like Canada, the answers to how we get to a nationalized health care system lies in how we have operated in the past. The history of reform begins with change, that is true. Canada took one path, other countries have taken a different one. Great Britain's National Health Service evolved under a much different circumstance than it's European neighbor, France. The NHS was intended to be temporary and was to be disassembled after World War II -- it stayed though -- people liked it as it served the population's needs. France needed to figure out how to improve its nation's heath system after the devastation of the war as well. They opted to expand what they already had in place: a payroll tax-payer funded system. Before the ACA was written, when we were still calling it Health Care Reform (HCR), many wondered and debated the path that should be taken. To this day, people still debate where we should go. The answer depends on where we have been and where we are.


I wrote more, but most important was that I included my blog post. It was to to an article that was written before the ACA was voted into law.
Every industrialized nation in the world except the United States has a national system that guarantees affordable health care for all its citizens. Nearly all have been popular and successful. But each has taken a drastically different form, and the reason has rarely been ideology. Rather, each country has built on its own history, however imperfect, unusual, and untidy.

Social scientists have a name for this pattern of evolution based on past experience. They call it “path-dependence.” In the battles between Betamax and VHS video recorders, Mac and P.C. computers, the qwerty typewriter keyboard and alternative designs, they found that small, early events played a far more critical role in the market outcome than did the question of which design was better. Paul Krugman received a Nobel Prize in Economics in part for showing that trade patterns and the geographic location of industrial production are also path-dependent. (snip)

With path-dependent processes, the outcome is unpredictable at the start. Small, often random events early in the process are “remembered,” continuing to have influence later. And, as you go along, the range of future possibilities gets narrower. It becomes more and more unlikely that you can simply shift from one path to another, even if you are locked in on a path that has a lower payoff than an alternate one.

He goes onto say:
There’s a similar explanation for our employment-based health-care system. Like Switzerland, America made it through the war without damage to its domestic infrastructure. Unlike Switzerland, we sent much of our workforce abroad to fight. This led the Roosevelt Administration to impose national wage controls to prevent inflationary increases in labor costs. Employers who wanted to compete for workers could, however, offer commercial health insurance. That spurred our distinctive reliance on private insurance obtained through one’s place of employment—a source of troubles (for employers and the unemployed alike) that we’ve struggled with for six decades. (snip)

Yes, American health care is an appallingly patched-together ship, with rotting timbers, water leaking in, mercenaries on board, and fifteen per cent of the passengers thrown over the rails just to keep it afloat. But hundreds of millions of people depend on it. The system provides more than thirty-five million hospital stays a year, sixty-four million surgical procedures, nine hundred million office visits, three and a half billion prescriptions. It represents a sixth of our economy. There is no dry-docking health care for a few months, or even for an afternoon, while we rebuild it. Grand plans admit no possibility of mistakes or failures, or the chance to learn from them. If we get things wrong, people will die. This doesn’t mean that ambitious reform is beyond us. But we have to start with what we have.

That kind of constraint isn’t unique to the health-care system. A century ago, the modern phone system was built on a structure that came to be called the P.S.T.N., the Public Switched Telephone Network. This automated system connects our phone calls twenty-four hours a day, and over time it has had to be upgraded. But you can’t turn off the phone system and do a reboot. It’s too critical to too many. So engineers have had to add on one patch after another.

The P.S.T.N. is probably the shaggiest, most convoluted system around; it contains tens of millions of lines of software code. Given a chance for a do-over, no self-respecting engineer would create anything remotely like it. Yet this jerry-rigged system has provided us with 911 emergency service, voice mail, instant global connectivity, mobile-phone lines, and the transformation from analog to digital communication. It has also been fantastically reliable, designed to have as little as two hours of total downtime every forty years. As a system that can’t be turned off, the P.S.T.N. may be the ultimate in path-dependence. But that hasn’t prevented dramatic change. The structure may not have undergone revolution; the way it functions has. The P.S.T.N. has made the twenty-first century possible.



Our health system is path-dependent. It can and has evolved since the ACA rolled out in 2010. It's a huge leap forward, but like the P.S.T.N., we cannot just scrap everything and start all over with single payer. We can, however, work towards that goal. We're building upon a system that we already have by improving what works and removing what hurts the population. We can't go back to the broken system the ACA was designed to fix. Perhaps Vermont is a sign of things to come. Massachusetts proved the path-dependent process works. That system provided the foundation to what we now call ObamaCare. Maybe that same process will take place with Vermont leading the way to single payer.

It can't happen overnight, but it can happen. I support single payer and I truly appreciate our allies like Senator Sanders and Representative Grayson, but the reality, for me at least, is that this will take time and patience.




Nice. AZ Mike Mar 2014 #1
kick CatWoman Mar 2014 #2
I'm kicking your ass! NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #8
.... CatWoman Mar 2014 #17
This is actually a real credit offering, where credit is due Sheepshank Mar 2014 #3
You are quite correct my friend. William769 Mar 2014 #4
yes PBO gets credit here, once again nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #11
Good post on the reality of ACA, Sheepshank.. thank you~ Cha Mar 2014 #56
I'm reading these testimonies with some fascination. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #5
Agreed. William769 Mar 2014 #10
"imperfect as it may be" BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #116
I am very happy for you and for the many people who depend on these meds for life BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #6
Lifetime caps William769 Mar 2014 #13
That's a point that all too often gets missed Bibliovore Mar 2014 #67
Exactly.. the very evil of the "lifetime cap" mountain grammy Mar 2014 #115
K&R. It's working for other groups as well MineralMan Mar 2014 #7
I so rarely agree with you but I do here. Vattel Mar 2014 #111
The removal of the lifetime benefits cap was huge !!!!!! steve2470 Mar 2014 #9
Exactly! William769 Mar 2014 #15
Kick treestar Mar 2014 #12
It saved my bony old ass, too. riqster Mar 2014 #14
... Cha Mar 2014 #59
incredible enid602 Mar 2014 #16
Holy shite. riqster Mar 2014 #114
It has helped my daughter as well. She is madmom Mar 2014 #18
I have a relative with CP who can no longer be denied for a pre-existing condition. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #19
Helped here, too. blue neen Mar 2014 #20
Good! William769 Mar 2014 #22
My son's went from over $500 to less than $300, for a gold plan. pnwmom Mar 2014 #24
So happy for you, blue neen.. Cha Mar 2014 #60
We have similar stories - my son is now paying $250 on ACA, compared to the $500 on COBRA AnotherMother4Peace Mar 2014 #66
Oh yeah...ingrown toenails are a preexisting condition! blue neen Mar 2014 #69
Thanks pastime Mar 2014 #21
Thanks, William. Very eloquently and passionately put. Whisp Mar 2014 #23
I did it from the heart. William769 Mar 2014 #27
It truly makes me so very happy that you have found good help. Whisp Mar 2014 #30
Thanks for reminding everyone how bad those annual and lifetime limits were. pnwmom Mar 2014 #25
Happy for you...We will be saving significant money each month w/ our new policy Arugula Latte Mar 2014 #26
This is the best thread I've read here in a long time. So thankful to everyone Number23 Mar 2014 #40
Right ON. Thank you for that powerful essay. MADem Mar 2014 #28
wished I could write as well as you my friend. William769 Mar 2014 #31
One of the site owners really laid it out recently--if someone put this to music I could sing it! MADem Mar 2014 #36
Thank you so much! I did not see that. William769 Mar 2014 #37
Another +1 for Skinner and other Obama supporters here. From EVERYWHERE Number23 Mar 2014 #42
I just commented on William's OP downthread and Cha Mar 2014 #64
I read that in ATA the other day. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #96
I wish I could rec YOUR post as well. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #43
Right Back Atcha! Path dependence!!! That is exactly the concept so many of us MADem Mar 2014 #58
Path dependence is something I REALLY wish more people understood Raine1967 Mar 2014 #71
It clicked with me immediately; it's one of those "You know it when someone shows it to you" kind of MADem Mar 2014 #106
Kick and *rec* your reply! Agschmid Mar 2014 #99
It helped me too. llmart Mar 2014 #29
I'm glad it's worked for you. William769 Mar 2014 #33
K & R! Iliyah Mar 2014 #32
Recommended. HuckleB Mar 2014 #34
I am glad the ACA is helping you. bigwillq Mar 2014 #35
Oh this Australian Kangaroo Koala can so get behind that!! I don't have my papers with me so is it Number23 Mar 2014 #38
Completely agree, and thanks, William! closeupready Mar 2014 #39
Good to hear from you my friend. William769 Mar 2014 #41
I rec'd this post just as I rec'd Will's TBF Mar 2014 #44
Best wishes for you and I am glad as many are helped as are. This does not mean accepting this is uppityperson Mar 2014 #45
TY for this post. It's such a relief to read a positive message... Hekate Mar 2014 #46
Thank you for a hopeful post, and wishing you many years of good health question everything Mar 2014 #47
And thank you. William769 Mar 2014 #50
I guess, to be immodest, that I'm just too damned smart to not be grateful. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #48
DU rec... SidDithers Mar 2014 #49
Huge K&R!! RiffRandell Mar 2014 #51
Aloha William.. Cha Mar 2014 #52
+1. William769 Mar 2014 #61
I am at work so I only have a second. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #53
Thank you sheshe. William769 Mar 2014 #62
Sweet wishes from work, she~ Cha Mar 2014 #63
A hearty Kick & Recommend Pirate Smile Mar 2014 #54
Looks like the right horse to me Egnever Mar 2014 #55
I'm glad things worked out for your family/son. William769 Mar 2014 #65
Amen uponit7771 Mar 2014 #57
So glad to hear, you could get the meds you needed Peacetrain Mar 2014 #68
KICK! Cha Mar 2014 #70
Will, thank you for sharing this story. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #72
I hope your assumption is right. William769 Mar 2014 #74
. PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #73
There is something wonderful about .. yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #75
I am going to borrow that, yuiyoshida Skittles Mar 2014 #89
Its all yours my friend! yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #90
HOLD ON - it's not just AIDS patients who were ravaged KauaiK Mar 2014 #76
I was not trying to make light of anyone with a pre-existing condition William769 Mar 2014 #77
I was starting to believe I was the only one benefitting from the ACA... Walk away Mar 2014 #78
... William769 Mar 2014 #79
Thank you William769!! tweeternik Mar 2014 #80
Very happy for you, William! pablo_marmol Mar 2014 #81
I am happy for you too. William769 Mar 2014 #82
I've invited a couple nay sayers here to see this thread and join in Whisp Mar 2014 #83
Thank you for this! Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #84
Very happy for you! one_voice Mar 2014 #85
Great post and excellent news. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2014 #86
Thank you. William769 Mar 2014 #91
K & R Great post. I wish you and your friends justhanginon Mar 2014 #87
Thank you. William769 Mar 2014 #92
Beautiful post JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #88
... William769 Mar 2014 #93
Kick for ACA/Obamacare Life Saver Actions! Cha Mar 2014 #94
K&R William Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #95
I'm sure i will feel better once my son is being treated and getting meds again iwillalwayswonderwhy Mar 2014 #97
Thank you. William769 Mar 2014 #98
honestly, I don't know all of the details iwillalwayswonderwhy Mar 2014 #102
I would talk to that case worker supervisor and demand a explanation. William769 Mar 2014 #104
And for future reference William769 Mar 2014 #103
thank you for your help iwillalwayswonderwhy Mar 2014 #105
Kick and rec! Agschmid Mar 2014 #100
Thank you....made my night! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #101
Happy for all the people helped by President Obama's ACA. IrishAyes Mar 2014 #107
KIck FOR ACA~ Cha Mar 2014 #108
K&R lillypaddle Mar 2014 #109
K! Cha Mar 2014 #110
Morning Kick! sheshe2 Mar 2014 #112
K&R Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2014 #113
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